Posted on 07/25/2008 1:04:24 PM PDT by kellynla
A federal court has ordered the state of Colorado to stop discriminating against students of a Christian college, a facility that state officials determined provided too much religion.
The state for years has provided grants to students of secular institutions as well as students at a Methodist university and a Roman Catholic university, according to yesterday's opinion from the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
However, students at Colorado Christian University, a non-denominational evangelical Protestant university, were banned from the grant program after state officials decided the school was too pervasively sectarian.
"We find the exclusion unconstitutional for two reasons: The program expressly discriminates among religions without constitutional justification, and its criteria for doing so involves unconstitutionally intrusive scrutiny of religious belief and practice," the opinion said.
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Whatever they think they can get away with, they’ll try.
GOOD!
We need some decent kids to take over positions of authority.
YEAH!
Sorry, any private university that is religiously based should not be eligible for any type of federal monies, to the school or the students.
A good ruling by the 10th circuit.
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the line is "freedom of religion", not "freedom from religion."
Here’s something that we MUST draw out these bigots on.
There’s always the claim that they are separating “religion” from education when they ban textbooks with Bible quotes in them, or discriminate against Christian institutions, etc.
No, that’s not true, because they simply would not have the same objection to quotes by Confuscious, or some other world religion, just Christianity.
So, no, they are not separating “religion” from state, they are simply discriminating against the Christian religion. Bigots, plain and simple.
Acts 4:17-18
“But so that it will not spread any further among the people, let us warn them to speak no longer to any man in this name.
And when they had summoned them, they commanded them not to speak or teach at all in the name of Jesus.”
“state officials decided the school was too pervasively sectarian.”
Wonder if these same “state officials” will now look at whether “affirmative action” grants, admissions, and scholarships are “too pervasively” racist?
and it’s not even “freedom from religion” for them -
it’s “freedom from Christianity”.
Whatever church runs the school already gets tax exemption status from the government. Let them use the money they save in taxes to offer scholarships and grants to students who choose to attend their schools.
if it was a mosque, they’d be throwing money and their first-born at it.
“No, that’s not true, because they simply would not have the same objection to quotes by Confuscious, or some other world religion, just Christianity.”
Confuscianism is not a world religion, or religion period.
“the line is “freedom of religion”, not “freedom from religion.” “
Freedom of religion also guarantees the right to be free FROM religion.
A simple google search has numerous entries on Confucianism as a religion, including this little diddy:
“Confucianism became the official religion of China, shaping Chinese culture”
There really wouldn’t even BE a Western university system without Christianity. Ironic - since they are now little nests of atheistic socialist indoctrination.
Amen!
The Constitution simply prohibits the government from making religious judgments.
Religious speech is, after all, still speech, and as protected as any other kind of speech.
Secondly, there's the Second Amendment, and one of it's purposes is to keep intrusive busy-bodies out of the "religious" affairs of anyone or any institution, whether on their own, as part of a private group, or as a government employee.
Bet you never read it that way, but the history of the Second Amendment starts in France, not England, and involved the decision of the Huguenots to NOT DISARM at the time of the cessation of hostilities in the Religious Wars. Read the Edict of Nantes someday ~ very instructive. As you read think about our Huguenot forefathers standing behind it with muskets and cannon at the ready prepared to give the lives of any enemy who sought to suppress the rights enumerated there.
Third Amendment keeps the government from sending troops to your home to rape your women, eat your food, sleep in your bed and use your stuff in order to make you conform to the king's demand that you worship a certain way.
See Louis XIV and the Dragonettes Orders for a bit of background on that.
Which means, lest you missed the point, we have RELIGIOUS FREEDOM guarantee in THREE AMENDMENTS, not just in one clause in one amendment.
I like it that way, and this federal judge figured it out.
The hundreds of millions of people who practice it, disagree with you. It once was only a life philosophy, but it mutated into the Chinese state religion 500 years ago.
Confucianism was a state philosophy, not a religion.
Every world history and world civilization class I have ever had from junior high school through college has covered more about Christianity than any other religion.
And all were state run schools.
“There really wouldn’t even BE a Western university system without Christianity.”
The Western educational system is based upon the ancient Greek educational system.
Many Buddhists claim that Buddhism is not a religion either, but a “philosophy”.
It does make sense that classes cover Christianity more than anything else, or even to the near exclusion of anything else,
because Christian ideology and ethics are the basis of our culture.
How many universities in America were founded by “Greeks”?
“Many Buddhists claim that Buddhism is not a religion either, but a “philosophy”.”
And to that point the Buddha is not a God either, and never he nor his earlier followers decried him as one. He was merely a philosopher.
Those who hear the message of truth from a Christian point of view feel convicted (uncomfortable),
so instead of fixing the behaviors and attitudes that cause them to be convicted,
it’s better to remove the Christian message.
Bet you never attended a class regarding the ancient shamanistic religion of the far North did you.
Time to start. I have several posts on a number of threads concerning Santa Claus. You can, in fact, look up Santa Claus on the internet and several of my posts should be in the top 10.
BTW, if you want to study religions you can do it on your own, and I wouldn't trust a state run school to adequately cover Christianity, or Santa Claus for that matter!
“How many universities in America were founded by “Greeks”?”
I was not referring to their foundings, rather the way the sytem of learning is set up.
Love this. As a Colorado taxpayer, I have been paying for educational programs I disagree with for years (3/4's of CU's curriculum, Ward Churchill, etc., etc.)
“BTW, if you want to study religions you can do it on your own, and I wouldn’t trust a state run school to adequately cover Christianity, or Santa Claus for that matter!”
I don’t want to study religions. Period. But I had to put up with learning about them as a history major.
Sorry, but you need to read more closely: the money isn’t federal. The article specifically says “Colorado” and “state.”
still shouldn’t be giving money to them.
That doesn’t make sense. Do you mean that the voters of the State of Colorado should not decide that they wish to support higher education? (Of course, they should also be allowed to vote to discriminate as to which sorts of schools get their money, too. However, it looks like this was never put to a vote, simply a bureaucratic decision.)
http://www.fortcollinsnow.com/article/20080725/NEWS/23069640/1054
And those who want to study the green religion are well-funded in Colorado, with no threatened court action.
“The people” are listened to when they want to support the atheistic/secular agenda,
but they must be overruled by those who know better when they don’t.
“Do you mean that the voters of the State of Colorado should not decide that they wish to support higher education?”
Voters on state and federal levels don’t get to vote how their tax dollars are spent on lots of other things.
....and the evolution from a Republic to a socialist state slowly creeps into the fabric of what is formerly the United States of America. The Global Community awaits.
Check out this little double standard:
“Secular humanism” has been ruled by the courts as a religion for the “free exercise” part of the 1st amendment,
but as not a religion for the establishment part.
Nice, eh?
It means that someone can “conscientiously object” based on secular humanism, but there can be no lawsuits based on teaching secular humanism in schools.
Okay, let’s stop the debate - LAdorme2008 just signed up two weeks ago. How does Obammie say it - “No street cred”
My friend, learn about the history of our country and you will find that you are completely out of line.
JMHO
You’ll find that those who feel uncomfortable hearing the Christian message
do their best to try to deny that our country was built on Judeo-Christian values.
agreed
Oh so newbies aren’t allowed to have valid opinions? Or are they only valid if they agree with you on everything?
I’m not trying to be snarky, but...
And I DO know the history of this country, bucko.
then you can be free from all the religion you'd like. it's called choice.
Please. you can have your opinion. I was in NO WAY restricting you from your thoughts. I was only pointing out that you have many flaws.
PS - It’s Buckeyes! not Buckos! - The Ohio State University - 1986
“...Every world history and world civilization class I have ever had from junior high school through college has covered more about Christianity than any other religion...”
Yeah, and all those classes were probably taught by good little Eichmann, Lenin, Mao or Stalin-modeled Comrade Professors, as evidenced by your clear lack of understanding of and total ignorance of the US Constitution and the history of this country.
Good, then you understand how religion has served to temper man’s innate barbarism and murderous intent.
“Yeah, and all those classes were probably taught by good little Eichmann, Lenin, Mao or Stalin-modeled Comrade Professors, as evidenced by your clear lack of understanding of and total ignorance of the US Constitution and the history of this country.”
I am well aware of the history of this country as well as understanding the Constitution and how it came about. But it doesn’t mean that I agree with the fundamental religious zealots then or now.
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