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Letters: Not the same party [Democrats gone down the drain]
The Belleville News-Democrat, Belleville, IL ^ | 2008-07-25 | C.E. "Ed" Shaver

Posted on 07/25/2008 1:11:03 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

The Democratic Party that existed during my childhood and through early adulthood bore little or no resemblance to what it has become. In earlier times being a Democrat identified one as a proud, God-inspired American with intense traditional values, true love of country, belief in a strong, cohesive family unit, hard work, self-reliance, dedication to constitutional norms, equality and respect for others.

Today, however, the party I once knew seems to say forget religious beliefs, forget the right to defend one's self, forget about hard work, just let working taxpayers provide, and disavow longheld moral decency standards as being irrelevant in today's world.

The sad fact is that the Democratic Party has abandoned so many of us. That courageous, honorable breed of genuine statesman is vanishing within the party of apathetic voters.

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TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: communists; democrats; democratsgoneleft; dnc; failure; obama; realignment; socialists; valuesvote

1 posted on 07/25/2008 1:11:04 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385

A good explanation for my handle.


2 posted on 07/25/2008 1:13:50 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: rabscuttle385
The Democratic Party that existed during my childhood and through early adulthood bore little or no resemblance to what it has become. In earlier times being a Democrat identified one as a proud, God-inspired American with intense traditional values, true love of country, belief in a strong, cohesive family unit, hard work, self-reliance, dedication to constitutional norms, equality and respect for others.

How old is this guy? 100?

In my 60+ years on this planet, the Democrat Party NEVER identified one as a proud, God-inspired patriotic American with traditional values and appreciation for strong cohesive families. What planet has this guy been living on?

3 posted on 07/25/2008 1:14:13 PM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds ("The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.")
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To: rabscuttle385
And the difference bewteen the Democrat and Republican parties is?????
4 posted on 07/25/2008 1:17:48 PM PDT by Scarlet Pimpernel
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To: Scarlet Pimpernel; indylindy; calcowgirl; Ingtar; djsherin; Sunnyflorida; SoConPubbie; Sybeck1; ...
And the difference bewteen the Democrat and Republican parties is?????

Now that's a very good question.

5 posted on 07/25/2008 1:19:13 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat." Ronald Reagan)
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To: ReleaseTheHounds

Many people were “traditional” democrats; they were democrats because everyone in their family, town and county had always been democrats. This applies mainly to rural and working-class (not welfare-class) neighborhoods. They believed this is what their party stood for because this is what their local political figures told them and probably what the US Congressman said he stood for (since, after all, he did want to be elected).

Now, with access to the internet, some independent-minded folks are no longer swallowing the garbage that was once spoon-fed to them. They are thinking on their own, and see the democrat party as home to everything they abhor.

We need more people like that, frankly.


6 posted on 07/25/2008 1:19:20 PM PDT by henkster (Politics is the art of telling a bigger and more believable lie more often than your opponent)
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To: rabscuttle385
And the difference bewteen the Democrat and Republican parties is?????

One wears the American pin proudly.

7 posted on 07/25/2008 1:23:16 PM PDT by dragonblustar (Once abolish the God, and the government becomes the God - G. K. Chesterton)
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To: rabscuttle385

Jumping the Shark - 1972 DNC
Jumping the Shark - 2008 RNC

The sane versions of these parties have left the building.


8 posted on 07/25/2008 1:24:04 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Oh my coolaide has a fist name, it's B A R A K, my coolaide has a second name it's J U A N Y...)
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To: A_Former_Democrat
I stopped being a “drive-by voter for Democrats” after 9/11..

I Woke Up, Started Paying Attention and Educated Myself to the fact that the Democrat Party was a Bunch of Lying Criminals who only cared about one thing.. Political Gain.

Hell hath no fury like a former Dem! And, that would be Me! ;)
9 posted on 07/25/2008 1:24:25 PM PDT by divine_moment_of_facts (If there were no Cowards there could be no Bullies.)
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To: rabscuttle385

This guy must be older than dirt. I’m 52 and can’t remember a time when the Democrat Party ever had any redeeming value.


10 posted on 07/25/2008 1:32:23 PM PDT by Busywhiskers (Strength and Honor)
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To: divine_moment_of_facts

It’s a little tougher for me - “Never a Democrat, never in my life have I voted for a “D”, and I am 65.. my first presidential vote was for Barry Goldwater.

The Democrats have become the party of every deviant group you can name, plus the anti-war crowd.. but I repeat myself.

The Repub’s are becoming difficult to vote for too, so it is getting quite difficult to find candidates one can back. Fortunately I have a great congresswomen (Michele Bachmann). I had to move into her district to get her as my rep, but higher on the ticket is a bit of a quandary.


11 posted on 07/25/2008 1:35:27 PM PDT by RDasher (El Nino is climate, La Nina is weather)
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To: Scarlet Pimpernel
And the difference bewteen the Democrat and Republican parties is?????

Well, for now, they convene in different cities, and at different times.

12 posted on 07/25/2008 1:49:02 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Man, that's stupid ... even by congressional standards.)
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To: Scarlet Pimpernel
And the difference between the Democrat and Republican parties is?????

The article is from Belleville, Illinois. Here in Illinois there is little difference. Springfield has a protective dome sponsored by both parties known as "The Combine". It matters not which party you are in, as long as you are "in", nothing will happen. The Illinois GOP is nearly extinct, and certainly NOT conservative.

13 posted on 07/25/2008 2:05:02 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: RobinOfKingston
> And the difference bewteen the Democrat and Republican parties is?????

Well, for now, they convene in different cities, and at different times.

Oh, and they're represented with different colors on maps during election time...

And then there's the difference between the letters "D" and "R". That's a HUGE difference between "D" and "R". Count fer yerself.

14 posted on 07/25/2008 2:06:01 PM PDT by TChris (Vote John McCain: Democrat Lite -- 3% less liberal than a regular Democrat!)
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To: rabscuttle385
These sorts of stories remind me of ones examining former "real" Republicans who are now voting Dem due to how horrible the Republican party has become. I always smell a rat with those stories, and I'm sorry, but this story just does not seem right either.

Besides, everyone knows the traditional Democrat party just believed in the three R's: Rebellion, Romanism, and Rum.

15 posted on 07/25/2008 2:07:11 PM PDT by Martin Tell ("It is the right, good old way you are in: keep in it.")
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To: Scarlet Pimpernel

Marxist = Democrat
Evolutionary Marxist = Republican

That’s about it.


16 posted on 07/25/2008 2:55:48 PM PDT by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: rabscuttle385

The last great Democrat (President) was Grover Cleveland, IMO. Ever since then the party has been the epitome of socialism and leftism.


17 posted on 07/25/2008 3:03:14 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (BARACK OBAMA WILL SAVE US! HE HAS RISEN!!)
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To: A_Former_Democrat
"former handle"

I second that. There were always leftist wackos in the party, but forty years ago they were on the fringe. Now they're the mainstream.

18 posted on 07/25/2008 3:45:36 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: driftless2

I will agree to that. They were the fringe that WE discounted, ignored, and failed to defend against.

Here we are now, today, in the battle for the republic with the ‘fringe.’


19 posted on 07/25/2008 3:51:48 PM PDT by EBH ( ... the riotousness of the crowd is always very close to madness. --Alculin c.735-804)
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To: henkster

“applies mainly to rural and working-class (not welfare-class) neighborhoods”

As a kid, growing up in rural Michigan (on a 200 acre farm), I was surrounded by the people you just described.

They were farmers, factory workers, construction workers, and mechanics.

They were also blue collar democrats, pro union.

We spent Friday night in the local tavern (kids were welcome).

We went to church on Sunday - you went to church on Sunday (not being seen at church was not an option).

We said grace at the dinner table.

Everyone in that town had a flag on their front porch (welfare and unemployment was there as a safety net, but your reputation depended on getting off it as quickly as possible - it was a blow to your pride to be on it).

Some were drafted - many joined - men served their country - there was something wrong with you if you didn’t.

On the fourth of July everyone celebrated.

I talk to my Aunts and Uncles back in that small town today — they are confused, they don’t know what happened to the once proud party.

Today Democrats don’t stand for what they stand for. They don’t support gay’s, they don’t support abortion on demand, they love God and Worship God, they hunt, they fish and most of them still drive American “ONLY” cars, they honestly don’t give a “F” what the French think about them...and they are not embarrassed to say it out loud.

I know your people. Some of my relatives, after much persuasion on my part finally saw the light and voted for Bush - strong on defense rules the day with all of them now.

They want their jobs back - that’s what they want.


20 posted on 07/25/2008 3:56:42 PM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.)
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To: EBH
"fringe"

I would say without that five percent of Americans who constitute the wacko leftist fringe (who unfortunately greatly influence Dem elections in a negative way), the great majority of societal and economic problems we have today would be missing. Think about our recent problems. Who are basically responsible for our gas and housing problems? Dems. Who is responsible for much of the crime and national security problems? Same party.

The fact that polls show seventyfive percent of all Americans favor drilling anywhere shows how much negative power these leftist Dems exert on our country. Hopefully the oil prices will make more average Dems conclude that their party leaders despise them. But I'm not holding my breath.

21 posted on 07/25/2008 3:59:49 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: SERKIT
The Illinois GOP is nearly extinct, and certainly NOT conservative.

The Death Wish Party. Examine the last couple-three governor's races and the last Senate race and tell me if it ain't so.

22 posted on 07/25/2008 7:52:18 PM PDT by Lee N. Field (You wouldn't want a postmodern to fix your car. Why would you trust him with your theology?)
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