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The Carbon Curtain
Forbes ^ | July 25, 2008 | Peter Huber

Posted on 07/25/2008 3:44:53 PM PDT by Delacon

What we really need from the climate modelers is an accurate 50-year projection of global politics. Will people believe the computer's dire prophecy enough to change their lifestyles? While we wait for 50 million lines of code to reveal the supposed future, consider how things look to one very knowledgeable energy analyst, Vinod K. Dar, who runs Dar & Company, a consultant to the energy industry, in Bethesda, Md. What follows is my own gloss on Dar's analysis. Everything he says, however, squares with all that I've seen and learned in the 30 years I've watched energy markets here and abroad.

A number of influential people in Russia, China, India, Indonesia and Vietnam say the planet is now entering a 30-year cooling period, the second half of a normal cycle driven by cyclical changes in the sun's output and currents in the Pacific Ocean. Their theory leaves true believers in carbon catastrophe livid.

To judge by actions, not words, the carbon-warming view hasn't come close to persuading a political majority even in nations considered far more environmentally enlightened than China and India. Europe's coal consumption is rising, not falling, and the Continent won't come close to meeting the Kyoto targets for carbon reduction. Australia is selling coal to all comers.

On the far side of the environmental curtain China already mines and burns more coal than any other country. Together, China and India control more than one-fifth of the planet's vast coal reserves. Dar predicts--very plausibly, in my view--that the two countries may fire up a new coal plant as often as once a week for the next 25 years, adding about twice as much coal-fired generating capacity as the U.S. has today. Persian Gulf states are planning significant coal imports, because coal generates much cheaper electricity than oil or gas.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: agw; canada; china; climatechange; coal; energy; environment; geopolitics; globalwarming; india; markets; nuclear

1 posted on 07/25/2008 3:44:53 PM PDT by Delacon
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2 posted on 07/25/2008 3:47:59 PM PDT by Delacon ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H. L. Mencken)
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Carbon Scam/POGW


3 posted on 07/25/2008 3:53:42 PM PDT by xcamel (Being on the wrong track means the unintended consequences express train doesnt kill you going by)
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To: Delacon
As I have said, we are at a crossroads equivalent to that crossroads our grandparents reached when they discovered oil.

That made the industrial revolution what it ultimately became.

We are at a similar point. Either we take the right road or we become a stagnant 3Rd world country.

Interesting that we often say that Islam wants to turn the clock back to the 7Th century.

We have people in our government that want to turn the clock back to 1960 and freeze it there forever.

4 posted on 07/25/2008 3:55:26 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: Delacon
From the article:

"Dar is surely right when he says, "The U.S. and Japan will not tell Asia and Africa to choose poverty, disease, hunger and illiteracy over electricity." Europe might, but nobody will listen."

This is exactly right, and events are already proving it. We in the US can either acknowledge this reality and do what's best for our economy and our future, or we can join Europe in surrendering to the global warming cultists while the rest of the world laughs and does what it needs to do for energy.
5 posted on 07/25/2008 4:05:16 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Delacon

A carbon curtain has descended across this consonance.


6 posted on 07/25/2008 4:15:07 PM PDT by decimon
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To: Delacon
coal generates much cheaper electricity than oil or gas.

Of course our leaders will be aware of this and act accordingly, right?

7 posted on 07/25/2008 4:36:37 PM PDT by rdl6989 ( I'm a carbon based human being, a Carbonated-American)
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To: Delacon
Fabulous quote at the end of the article:

Vinod Dar is right: "Contingency planning should entail strategic responses to a warming globe, a cooling globe and a globe whose climate reverberates with laughter at human hubris."

8 posted on 07/25/2008 5:22:26 PM PDT by jimfree (Freep and Ye shall find.)
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To: Delacon

I just farted.


9 posted on 07/25/2008 6:35:26 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Wanted: Designated Driver for November 5th voting party)
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To: Delacon
it isn't about people changing their lifestyles, of course. It isn't even about the environment, per se. It's about catching the engine of capitalism fast in a web of regulation while unregulatable nations rich in natural resources cash in on the ridiculously high prices the regulation caused.

But, hey, who's paying attention?

10 posted on 07/25/2008 6:37:52 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (reviewing my list of worse case scenarios.)
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To: VRW Conspirator

what a meaningful contribution to the discussion.


11 posted on 07/25/2008 6:39:17 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (reviewing my list of worse case scenarios.)
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