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How to get the presidential keys [ Allan Lichtman and his 13 questions ]
New Scientist Short Sharp Science 'blog ^ | Friday, July 25, 2008 | Rowan Hooper

Posted on 07/25/2008 9:12:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

Want to know who will be the next US president?

Allan Lichtman, a political historian who teaches at American University in Washington, DC, says he has the means to predict it.

There are 13 questions, each with a "yes" or "no" answer. Lichtman calls these the 13 keys to the White House.

  1. Does the incumbent party hold more seats in the House of Representatives after the midterm election than after the preceding midterm election?
  2. Is there a serious contest for the incumbent-party nomination?
  3. Is the incumbent-party candidate the current president?
  4. Is there a significant third-party or independent candidate?
  5. Is the economy not in recession during the campaign?
  6. Does per capita economic growth during the term equal or exceed mean growth for the preceding two terms?
  7. Has the administration effected major policy changes?
  8. Has there been major social unrest during the term?
  9. Is the incumbent administration untainted by major scandal?
  10. Has there been a major military or foreign policy failure during the term?
  11. Has there been a major military or foreign policy success during the term?
  12. Is the incumbent-party candidate charismatic or a national hero?
  13. Is the challenger not charismatic or not a national hero?

(Excerpt) Read more at newscientist.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 110th; 2008; electionpresident; lichtman; mccain; obama
"This should be an overwhelming Democratic victory," said Allan Lichtman, an American University presidential historian who ran in a Maryland Democratic senatorial primary in 2006. Lichtman, whose forecasting model has correctly predicted the last six presidential popular vote winners, predicts that this year, "Republicans face what have always been insurmountable historical odds." His system gives McCain a score on par with Jimmy Carter's in 1980. *
1 posted on 07/25/2008 9:12:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...

“When did you stop beating your wife?” ping.


2 posted on 07/25/2008 9:13:27 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: SunkenCiv

Lichtman is a Freeper (believe it or not), but I can’t remember his screen name.


3 posted on 07/25/2008 9:15:45 PM PDT by Clemenza (No Comment)
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To: Clemenza
Lichtman is a Freeper (believe it or not), but I can’t remember his screen name.

MurryMom?

4 posted on 07/25/2008 9:17:25 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (I'm voting for McCain because he's white - credit Jeff Chandler)
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To: Clemenza

B**t_lickmann


5 posted on 07/25/2008 9:17:58 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: SunkenCiv

Allan Lichtman needs to add more questions, like is one of the candidates a liar and commie.


6 posted on 07/25/2008 9:18:14 PM PDT by SatinDoll (Desperately desiring a conservative government.)
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To: SunkenCiv

There are a few questions he forgot:

14. Is the challenger a Muslim with a funny name, who is an elitist, America-hating racist bastard that hates white people?

15. Is the challenger a Communist?

16. Is the challenger completely f**king his opportunity by opposing ideas that would reduce energy costs and stimulate the economy?

Add these three - and McCain wins.


7 posted on 07/25/2008 9:19:05 PM PDT by RockinRight (I just paid $63 for gas. An icefield in Alaska is NOT the Grand Canyon. F--- the caribou.)
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To: Clemenza

Wasn’t this the same chart that said Kerry would win in 2004?


8 posted on 07/25/2008 9:19:35 PM PDT by RockinRight (I just paid $63 for gas. An icefield in Alaska is NOT the Grand Canyon. F--- the caribou.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I remember in 2004, it was reported that no President was re elected with an approval rating of less than 60%, until 2004.


9 posted on 07/25/2008 9:19:49 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Graybeard58

Seriously. He posted a review of one of his own books about a week ago, the thesis of which is that conservatism developed in the 1920s via white protestant anxiety over immigration, the migration of blacks, the rise of organized labor, etc.


10 posted on 07/25/2008 9:20:12 PM PDT by Clemenza (No Comment)
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To: Clemenza

Maybe someone knows. I wonder how recently active he is?


11 posted on 07/25/2008 9:30:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: Clemenza

ajlicht — “My new book White Protestant Nation...”

http://www.freerepublic.com/~ajlicht/

looks like his posts have been purged? Or he posted under a different name?

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:ajlicht/index?tab=comments;brevity=full;options=no-change

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1196894/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1198111/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1212720/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1694072/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2047317/posts


12 posted on 07/25/2008 9:40:18 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: SatinDoll
Allan Lichtman needs to add more questions, like is one of the candidates a liar and commie.

No For races without an incumbent President, there are only two questions

No candidate failing one of those tests has won since 1896.
No candidate failing both has won since 1836


13 posted on 07/25/2008 9:42:01 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Ain't I a stinker?)
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To: Perdogg
I thought his question about "Has there been major social unrest during the term?" was illuminating, since he says that yes answers favor the incumbent party. There hasn't been major social unrest, but the various trust-fund rads have been doing their usual brain-dead whining under the auspices of MoveOn, Code Pink, ANSWER, etc, and so Demwits plugging in answers might say there have been. :') Others are merely loaded or leading or (as I noted) "wifebeating" questions, or otherwise make no sense.
  1. No
  2. No
  3. No
  4. No
  5. Yes
  6. No
  7. Yes
  8. No
  9. Yes
  10. No
  11. Yes
  12. Yes
  13. Yes
Here's the 1996 results:
  1. No
  2. No
  3. Yes
  4. Yes
  5. Yes
  6. Yes
  7. No
  8. No
  9. No
  10. Yes
  11. No
  12. No
  13. No
if six or more are "no", the challenger wins.
14 posted on 07/25/2008 9:53:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: SunkenCiv

history is always great, until something new happens. Or.....you realize that you’ve chosen the wrong historical reference to predict your current circumstance.

Wasn’t Gore supposed to win in 2000 because Clinton SOOOOO popular?

Wasn’t Bush supposed to lose in 2004 because he was SOOOO unpopular?

And aren’t the Dems supposed to sweep the GOP out of office by like 10 Senate seats and 25-75 House seats along with 57 state legislatures in 2008???? I’ll take my chances.

(BTW, I hate the fact that mostly liberal (and Lichtman sure seems to fit that bill) historians and political scientists keep constructing ‘models’ to predict elections. Especially when they use data that goes beyond 1992. 1992 was the first election which had cable TV. It was the first election which was RUN by TV. Everything before that was relatively local. And Congress has been a national race every since 1994 so all those models using dates prior to that also are CRAP! So, skip the ‘history’ lessons for me from the intelligensia and get with the modern world)


15 posted on 07/25/2008 10:01:13 PM PDT by bpjam (Drill For Oil or Lose Your Job!! Vote Nov 2008)
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To: Clemenza
He posted a review of one of his own books about a week ago, the thesis of which is that conservatism developed in the 1920s via white protestant anxiety over immigration, the migration of blacks, the rise of organized labor, etc.

Does it never occur to such folks that conservatism is a natural tendency of many people?

Some people are introverted, some are extroverted. Some are conservative. Some are stark raving mad.

16 posted on 07/25/2008 10:02:57 PM PDT by freespirited (Never vote for a man who gets his nails done.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Lichtman, whose forecasting model has correctly predicted the last six presidential popular vote winners, predicts that this year, "Republicans face what have always been insurmountable historical odds."

So he was wrong about Bush vs Gore but would like to ignore that little problem...

17 posted on 07/25/2008 10:06:55 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: bpjam
along with 57 state legislatures in 2008
LOL!
18 posted on 07/25/2008 10:38:29 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: Clemenza
Oh, please do try to recall!

No doubt, some number of us can use the entertainment value in beating such an idiot verbally about the head and body.

19 posted on 07/25/2008 11:23:56 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: Oztrich Boy
Not so fast. In 1976, Ford was taller than Carter, but Carter unquestionably had nicer hair.

Sounds like a sort of 'heads I'm right, tails I'm right' argument. And don't try to quibble about Ford being a sitting President. He occupied the office, certainly, but was not elected, ever.

Come to think of it, what about Eisenhower/Stevenson. Neither of them had any hair to speak of in 1952; if anything, Stevenson was less visibly bald than Eisenhower. I've no idea who was taller, but Eisenhower certainly was NOT a tall man. Check the photos of him with Marshall and Patton.

BTW, in 2000, Bush was considerably shorter than Gork, and the hair was a tossup.

20 posted on 07/25/2008 11:33:00 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: SunkenCiv
Allan Lichtman, an American University presidential historian who ran [unsuccessfully, I guess] in a Maryland Democratic senatorial primary in 2006. Lichtman, whose forecasting model has correctly predicted the last six presidential popular* vote winners, predicts that this year,

*Thank heavens Gore ONLY won the popular vote, and did not become the president.

Folks who follow Lichtman's way of thinking might conclude that John Edwards and Jesse Jackson are closet conservatives, because they had children out of wedlock.

21 posted on 07/26/2008 12:42:12 AM PDT by syriacus (Democrats got THEIR "change" in Election 2006. Are WE better off now?)
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To: SunkenCiv

Lichtman is a charter member of the Nina Burleigh Klintoon Service Brigade. He has zero credibility.


22 posted on 07/26/2008 2:30:32 AM PDT by Dahoser (America's great untapped alternative energy source: The Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: SunkenCiv

This isn’t how the list is supposed to work. Here is the version I heard in 1980, and it has worked for every election since 1860 (I checked). Five of the questions should help the incumbent party if answered “yes,” while eight help if answered “no.”

The Affirmatives:

1. Is the incumbent party’s candidate charismatic?
2. Did the current administration score a major success in military action or foreign policy?
3. Did the current president make major changes in domestic policy?
4. Is the incumbent running for re-election?
5. Has economic growth over the past four years produced a Gross Domestic Product that grew by an average of at least 1% more than it did during the previous four?

The Negatives:

6. Did the opposition nominate a war hero or charismatic candidate?
7. Is there a strong independent or third party candidate?
8. Was there a major scandal in the current administration?
9. Was there a major foreign or military reversal?
10. Was there an election year recession or depression?
11. Did the incumbent party win with less than 51% of the vote last time?
12. Did the incumbent party go through a major battle for the nomination?
13. Was there major social unrest?

If eight or more questions are answered in the incumbent party’s favor, it stays in the White House.

At this date, I would answer these questions with a “yes”: 2, 3, 6, and 10. The rest are all “nos.” Therefore McCain has 2 “affirmatives” and six “negatives,” giving him a score of 8, barely enough to win. No wonder the current polls show a close race.


23 posted on 07/26/2008 5:54:19 AM PDT by Berosus (I already have a Messiah, I'm looking for a new president.)
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To: SAJ

Did you read
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2051569/posts?page=12#12

??


24 posted on 07/26/2008 6:30:19 AM PDT by FreeKeys (The next ICE AGE is coming!)
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To: SunkenCiv
Lichtman, whose forecasting model has correctly predicted the last six presidential popular vote winners,

Right, I guess they had to add that caveat in there after 2000.

25 posted on 07/26/2008 6:35:51 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (This election is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if McCain wins, we're still retarded.)
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To: Berosus

Excellent post, thanks Berosus.


26 posted on 07/26/2008 7:35:47 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: FreeKeys
I have now.

No offense, professor, but I find myself in strong disagreement with your '13 keys'. Interesting commentary, though.

27 posted on 07/26/2008 7:58:55 AM PDT by SAJ
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To: FreeKeys
Apologies. For 'your 13 keys', please read 'those 13 keys'.

Sorry for not proofing the post.

28 posted on 07/26/2008 8:02:56 AM PDT by SAJ
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To: SunkenCiv

I count 7 against McCain


29 posted on 07/26/2008 10:45:31 AM PDT by Keyes2000mt (Conservative Podcast: The Truth and Hope (http://www.truthandhope.2truth.com))
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To: SAJ

http://www.freerepublic.com/~ajlicht/


30 posted on 07/26/2008 3:59:45 PM PDT by Clemenza (No Comment)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks!


31 posted on 07/26/2008 4:00:00 PM PDT by Clemenza (No Comment)
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