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One World? Obama's On A Different Planet (John Bolton: Berlin Speech "Radical And Naive" Alert)
Los Angeles Times ^ | 7/26/2008 | John Bolton

Posted on 07/26/2008 4:24:58 AM PDT by goldstategop

If that is what the senator thought he was doing, he still has a lot to learn about both foreign policy and the views of the American people. Although well received in the Tiergarten, the Obama speech actually reveals an even more naive view of the world than we had previously been treated to in the United States. In addition, although most of the speech was substantively as content-free as his other campaign pronouncements, when substance did slip in, it was truly radical, from an American perspective.

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"Radical and naive" is the best shorthand description of Obama's Berlin speech. A good analysis from former UN Ambassador John Bolton!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

1 posted on 07/26/2008 4:24:59 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop

Sure would love to see this man on the ticket in November. My heart will be in my throat until John McCain makes his choice.


2 posted on 07/26/2008 4:28:15 AM PDT by jwparkerjr
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To: goldstategop

THE REAL DEAL:


3 posted on 07/26/2008 4:29:08 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: goldstategop

Excellent analysis by a truly intelligent man. This deserves wide distribution, so Rush and Sean need to read this on air Monday.


4 posted on 07/26/2008 4:33:47 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: jwparkerjr
Sure would love to see this man on the ticket in November.

The only thing I'm sure of about this election is that Bolton will not be the VP pick.

5 posted on 07/26/2008 4:34:15 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (American secret agent in enemy territory (Cambridge, MA))
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To: jwparkerjr
The best part is Bolton's description of Obama's "wall" metaphor. I reproduce it at some length here:

This is a confused, nearly incoherent compilation, to say the least, amalgamating tensions in the Atlantic Alliance with ancient historical conflicts. One hopes even Obama, inexperienced as he is, doesn't see all these "walls" as essentially the same in size and scope. But beyond the incoherence, there is a deeper problem, namely that "walls" exist not simply because of a lack of understanding about who is on the other side but because there are true differences in values and interests that lead to human conflict. The Berlin Wall itself was not built because of a failure of communication but because of the implacable hostility of communism toward freedom. The wall was a reflection of that reality, not an unfortunate mistake.

Tearing down the Berlin Wall was possible because one side -- our side -- defeated the other. Differences in levels of economic development, or the treatment of racial, immigration or religious questions, are not susceptible to the same analysis or solution. Even more basically, challenges to our very civilization, as the Cold War surely was, are not overcome by naively "tearing down walls" with our adversaries.

The point is walls exist not because of misunderstandings or out of fear but as the result of very real differences in values, beliefs, and interests between antagonists. In real life, these are not remediable through the psychobabble garbage taught in college international relations seminars. In short, the assumption if we're nice to our enemies, that conflicts between them and us will just disappear is hogwash. Maybe Obama believes it but its contradicted by all the evidence in the world. America's adversaries won't change their policies just because he's going to be polite to them.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

6 posted on 07/26/2008 4:36:10 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
He does not seem to grasp that the beauty of freedom is its respect for differences and creation of conditions, legal and political, that allow them to exist, flourish and provide benefits to all. In fact, politicians with agendas to "unify," who think they know who and what everyone should be, are invariably those who threaten freedom.


Star Parker, Coalition on Urban Renewal and Education
July 25, 2008

7 posted on 07/26/2008 4:38:52 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Calpernia
The idea we all need to go in the same direction is a totalitarian impulse. I prefer to go where I please, thank you!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

8 posted on 07/26/2008 4:40:10 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

pardon?


9 posted on 07/26/2008 4:41:29 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Calpernia
One world. Is Obama really proposing we all drop everything to sing kumbaya around in his international campfire? What if we don't want to do it? Will we be accused of being against the "universal brotherhood" of man? Those are all relevant questions. I don't want to be part of one world!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

10 posted on 07/26/2008 4:45:03 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
the Obama speech actually reveals an even more naive view of the world than we had previously been treated to in the United States.

He's not naive. He knows exactly what he is doing.
11 posted on 07/26/2008 4:48:26 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: goldstategop
>>>One world. Is Obama really proposing we all drop everything to sing kumbaya around in his international campfire?

I believe Star Parker's statement absolutely adds credence to your view, "...politicians with agendas to "unify," who think they know who and what everyone should be, are invariably those who threaten freedom.".

As well as John Bolton's observation.

12 posted on 07/26/2008 4:49:14 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: goldstategop

I very much like Bolton’s complete lack of fear to speak the plain truth.


13 posted on 07/26/2008 4:49:18 AM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: Man50D

I agree with that too.


14 posted on 07/26/2008 4:49:42 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: jwparkerjr
Sure would love to see this man on the ticket in November.

Bears repeating!


15 posted on 07/26/2008 4:50:59 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Alaska has the oil. The Senate has the dipsticks.)
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To: goldstategop

Getting Bolton on the ticket would just shut him up. McCain is not going to let his VP say anything that might offend Hussein and the Democrats. Unless McC is saving up his more lethal ammo all I see in him is Dole and Bush I, insisting on conducting polite campaigns.


16 posted on 07/26/2008 4:51:21 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: Man50D
Obama, like the appeasers of the last century, seems to think having a good heart will make the world a better place. He will find himself seeing his country put at a severe disadvantage. His kind of foreign policy is great for a university academic seminar but it has no place in the real world.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

17 posted on 07/26/2008 4:52:32 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
Another under reported 'one world' nugget:

Obama's bill S2433 - U.N.'s Millennium Declaration

Obama's bill S2433 would require the U.S. to initially direct .7 percent of our GNP into the United Nations coffers for distribution as they see fit, for "food" to third world nations. Under earlier agreements this would evolve into a national tax on the U.S. with the UN attempting to levy this on all first world nations. The U.N. would have the power to increase this rate of taxation.

The U.S. would be required to surrender some of its sovereignty over foreign aid by putting it under UN control. The bill would force the U.S. to sign onto the U.N.'s Millennium Declaration, which would commit us not only to "banning small arms and light weapons" but also to adhere to the International Criminal Court Treaty and the Kyoto Protocol.

18 posted on 07/26/2008 4:53:25 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: jwparkerjr

Ya know while I was reading this piece the same thought came over me. Bolton would be an excellent addition to the ticket.


19 posted on 07/26/2008 5:00:13 AM PDT by RU88 (The false messiah can not change water into wine any more than he can get unity from diversity.)
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To: Calpernia
And prior to that was the Atlantic Charter. Even earlier was Wilson's Fourteen Points. Did the "world" learn or just pause?

Is the United States the "policeman" of the world or seeking hegemony over it?

Do we see "history" repeating itself?

20 posted on 07/26/2008 5:01:39 AM PDT by jamaksin
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To: kittymyrib
there were numerous policy pronouncements, all of them hazy and nonspecific, none of them new or different than what Obama has already said

There is an inherent difference in thinking between libs & cons that causes one to misconstrue the other. Libs, as has been pointed out numerous occasions, are not, by nature, analytical. That is, their policy initiatives are typically motivated by "hope & change", but fall short of common sense.

Bolton's criticisms play with well with cons, but his comments are like water off a duck's back to libs. Their whole POV is childlike inspiration: they DON'T care if BHO is short on specifics - that's why they like him. The real danger to the US is not BHO, but our fellow citizens who think this way.

As long as they stay a minority (even 49% is ok), then we're ok. But heaven help us if they ever take charge.

21 posted on 07/26/2008 5:01:57 AM PDT by semantic
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To: jwparkerjr
Sure would love to see this man on the ticket in November

What, you don't think McCain does cranky old man well?

Me, I'd rather see Bolton on the top of the ticket, and McCain on the porch at Shady Pines of Sedona.

22 posted on 07/26/2008 5:05:36 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Only a Kennedy between us and tyranny.)
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To: jamaksin

I don’t understand your parallel you are drawing from President Wilson’s response to Lenin and Obama’s, I want to rule the world bill?


23 posted on 07/26/2008 5:07:11 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: goldstategop
First off, I think the world of John Bolton; he's an exciting man.

But the first and truest test of Obama's "wall" theory? He should simply take his theory to the inner cities of the US.

You know, and I know, his call to and plan for "unity" in the inner cities would and do not work.

He was a community organizer. At what, for what? Did crime stats go down? Did the wall between gangs fall?

If the theory doesn't work in the every day level, it is absolute lunacy to think it would work on the larger levels.

From article: But beyond the incoherence, there is a deeper problem, namely that "walls" exist not simply because of a lack of understanding about who is on the other side but because there are true differences in values and interests that lead to human conflict. The Berlin Wall itself was not built because of a failure of communication but because of the implacable hostility of communism toward freedom. The wall was a reflection of that reality, not an unfortunate mistake.

24 posted on 07/26/2008 5:07:16 AM PDT by Alia
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To: goldstategop

Excellent assessment.
Surprised it was in the Left Angeles Times...or should I be...I expect the Clintonistas want to see Obama fail because if he doesn’t that would conflict with their leader having a shot at POTUS for at least eight more years...and the ol’ girl is NOT aging gracefully. LOL


25 posted on 07/26/2008 5:21:33 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: goldstategop
Since Barry is so interested in "WALLS", maybe he should have used this symbol for his campaign ...


26 posted on 07/26/2008 5:31:12 AM PDT by CapnJack
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To: vince2285

Ping


27 posted on 07/26/2008 5:32:06 AM PDT by jan in Colorado (For Barack Hussein Obama TRUTH FILE see my homepage!)
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To: Calpernia

Star Parker. One more example conservatives have the best looking and smartest women!


28 posted on 07/26/2008 5:41:30 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: 6SJ7

She is an excellent writer too. I have a few of her books.


29 posted on 07/26/2008 5:46:17 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Alia

re: If the theory doesn’t work in the every day level, it is absolute lunacy to think it would work on the larger levels.

Good point.


30 posted on 07/26/2008 5:51:43 AM PDT by Nevadan
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
re: Bolton at the top

Amen! I just don't like to dream too big. Of all the people I am aware of right off hand John Bolton is the THE man I would like to see heading our ticket. I have been impressed by him since the first time I heard him speak.

I wonder what it would take to get him heading the ticket. I know it's more than a long shot, but it eases the pain of the idea of a McCain candidacy just a bit when I think how great it would be if the entire Conservative movement suddenly made a bolt for Bolton. Stranger things have happened.

How long’s it been since someone was really and truly DRAFTED to run for the top office? And what does it take to actually draft someone?

31 posted on 07/26/2008 6:01:41 AM PDT by jwparkerjr
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To: RU88
I would prefer him over anyone who is, or was, in the race this time around. What a great, no-nonsense man who ‘gets it.”
32 posted on 07/26/2008 6:02:42 AM PDT by jwparkerjr
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To: goldstategop

Senator obama - Ronald Reagan was a Great Man, Ronald Reagan tore down the Berlin Wall, I voted for Ronald Reagan, Obama, you’re no Ronald Reagen.


33 posted on 07/26/2008 6:05:27 AM PDT by jacob allen
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To: goldstategop

So very well put! And if we don’t make that very thing the cornerstone of our Conservative world we’re doomed to a long slow death.

You have to deal with someone in a matter, and currency, they understand. Doesn’t matter if they respect you, love you, hate you or fear you, they just have to know in their deepest parts that you have the ability to force them to accept your terms. Liberals have never understood why the surest say to avoid war is to be ready, really ready, for war.


34 posted on 07/26/2008 6:09:04 AM PDT by jwparkerjr
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To: Darkwolf377
I fear you are quite right. But stranger things have happened. I want a bumper sticker that sez, “Boltin’ for Bolton!” Corny, but exactly how I feel!
35 posted on 07/26/2008 6:10:53 AM PDT by jwparkerjr
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To: Calpernia

This alone, well used, should be enough to sink Obama’s campaign. And it wouldn’t take a billion dollars from Soros or the backing of the MSM to get that across. Conservative columnists and the talk-radio/blogosphere world have enough power to get that across.

Kudos to Bolton on speaking up on the speech, where is the rest of the conservative commentariat in getting your simple and appalling S2433 argument across?


36 posted on 07/26/2008 6:19:38 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: goldstategop
A great article!

I wish John McCain would say the same thing.

37 posted on 07/26/2008 6:20:38 AM PDT by Gritty (This is the moment when we must come together to save this planet - Obama, Berlin, 2008)
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To: goldstategop

BO is trying to re-incarnate as John Kennedy-a Kennedy Museum just opened in Berlin and Caroline is an ‘advisor’.

The only fight BO has probably ever been in and won was opening a bag of arugula. And even then, he probably didn’t win. Michelle more than likely had to give him a pair of scissors in order for him to be successful.


38 posted on 07/26/2008 6:25:35 AM PDT by freema (MarineNiece,Daughter,Wife,Friend,Sister,Friend,Aunt,Friend,Mother,Friend,Cousin, FRiend)
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To: Calpernia
Wilson's Fourteen Points relate to the Treaty of Versailles and its "negotiated" terms at the conclusion of World War I, the war to "end all wars" - but wasn't.
39 posted on 07/26/2008 6:38:40 AM PDT by jamaksin
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To: arthurus
Getting Bolton on the ticket would just shut him up.

Yes - he is more valuable where he is now. I want him as Secretary of State and I dream of him appointing a bunch of attack dogs to root out all of the appeasing libs in State. Sigh...

40 posted on 07/26/2008 6:41:14 AM PDT by frithguild (I hope for change when I give cash to the Man - but all I ever get is nickels and dimes.)
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To: Man50D
He's not naive. He knows exactly what he is doing.

Exactly. His statement after his Berlin speech that it "allowed me to send a message to the American people that the judgments I have made and the judgments I will make are ones that are going to result in them being safer" - is BS. He doesn't give a rat's a$$ about making the US safer. His priority is to do what will make him look good in the eyes of "the world."

41 posted on 07/26/2008 6:49:54 AM PDT by BusterBear
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To: goldstategop

So now we’re getting the “We are the world” speech from Barackulation, big crowds in Europe, women and men are swooning over a 40+ adolescent, even guys are getting tingles running up their legs—isn’t he just the political substitute for Michael Jackson, without the glove; not to say, though, that he has as much talent for politics as Michael Jackson did for pop music and dancing. He’s just being successfully (maybe) marketed to the same mindless dopes who believed in Milli Vanilli and, in this generation, rap/hip hop—music that is, at heart, more thoroughly self-centered and, with few exceptions, more talentless than anything that’s ever come down the musical pike.


42 posted on 07/26/2008 7:00:37 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: jamaksin
That still didn't answer my question. I don't see the parallel you are drawing between President Wilson and Obama’s, I want to rule the world, irrelevance.
43 posted on 07/26/2008 7:15:36 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: CapnJack

You show the hammer. Where’s the sickle?


44 posted on 07/26/2008 7:24:29 AM PDT by Ole Okie (Who are you going to believe anyway, Gore or your lyin' eyes?)
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To: jamaksin
President Wilson's 14 points proposed geopolitical solutions for nation building to prevent conditions which lead to war between nations. Obama cites social issues and proposes global redistribution of wealth at the expense of the West. It's basically 'give the have-nots what they cannot earn' in the belief it's humane or some type of solution to poverty and a lack of self-governance.

Comparing Obama to President Wilson is intellectual fraud on a grand scale.

45 posted on 07/26/2008 7:47:01 AM PDT by Justa (The media lied while Americans died.)
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To: Calpernia; Justa
World government, as an objective, independent the premise used to promote same?

Recall the effectiveness of the League of Nations (a reaction to World War I) and the current United Nations.

Is history repeating itself?

46 posted on 07/26/2008 7:57:48 AM PDT by jamaksin
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To: goldstategop
Photobucket
“People get the government they deserve.” Joseph deMaistre.

And when people become THIS freaking STUPID and inattentive to their freedoms, THIS is the candidate they deserve.

1 minute satirical Obama video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR6b-kWncI4

Hurry before some diversity loving (RIGHT!) Obamaniac at YouTube pulls it.


47 posted on 07/26/2008 8:02:57 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (PE)
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To: jamaksin

History is not repeating itself. It is being rewritten by you.

President Wilson was not writing a social dictorship.

And you lending credit to Obama in the same power as President Wilson is a farce.


48 posted on 07/26/2008 8:06:12 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Ole Okie
Watch this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWVjNxp_8to
49 posted on 07/26/2008 8:12:34 AM PDT by allmendream (If "the New Yorker" makes a joke, and liberals don't get it, is it still funny?)
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To: allmendream

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWVjNxp_8to


50 posted on 07/26/2008 8:13:15 AM PDT by allmendream (If "the New Yorker" makes a joke, and liberals don't get it, is it still funny?)
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