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Man opens fire inside Knoxville church; at least six people shot
WBIR.com ^ | 7/27/2008 | Katie Allison Granju

Posted on 07/27/2008 8:43:01 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama

11:29 am

Steve Drevik says the suspect isn't believed to have any connection to the church.

11:19 am

Steve Drevik, a member of the TVUU Church spoke to media outside the church building, where media are assembled.

He says the suspect is now in custody.

Drevik says the shooting happened during a regular service, as children of the church were performing music from Annie for parishioners.

A man with long blond hair, who appeared to be in his 40s, walked into the sanctuary and opened fiire with a shotgun, shooting indiscriminately.

At least six or seven people were hit by the gunfire. They have been transported to UT Medical Center. Two are believed to be in serious condition.

No children are believed to have been hit by the gunfire.

Some of the children were taken next door to Second Presbyterian Church for shelter.

Numerous KPD officers are on the scene.

11:00 am

Multiple people have suffered gunshot wounds in what witnesses describe as a mass shooting inside a church in West Knoxville Sunday morning.

The shootings happened at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church on Kingston Pike.

A witness who spoke to 10 News said police had arrived and one person was being detained at the scene.

A children's production of "Annie" was taking place as part of the normal Sunday service at the time of the shooting, the witness, who is a member of the church, said. The gunman walked into a packed sanctuary and opened fire.

The number of people shot and the extent of their injuries has not been confirmed, but the witness said he saw at least five people shot.

Church members heard a loud boom during the church service, which began around 10:15 a.m., the witness said. Several other loud booms followed, and the witness said the gunman seemed to be shooting randomly across a row of people. Two congregants tackled the gunman, he said.

Many people fled to the Second Presbyterian Church after the shooting, and that church was placed on lockdown, according to a 10 News crew at the scene. People have since been allowed to return to the Unitarian church building, where police are questioning witnesses.

Stay with WBIR for the very latest on this rapidly developing story.


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Pray for the victims and families of this church.
1 posted on 07/27/2008 8:43:02 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Thanks for posting the article.

The Most important part of the article...

“Two congregants tackled the gunman, he said.”


2 posted on 07/27/2008 8:46:24 AM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: 2nd amendment mama
This is sad! Prayers for the families.

We need to ban church services. They are just too dangerous!

(If you need a sarc tag, you are on the wrong forum)
3 posted on 07/27/2008 8:47:26 AM PDT by Islander7 ("Show me an honest politician and I will show you a case of mistaken identity.")
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Horrible news. Prayers go out to those who were hurt or killed and for those who will suffer because of this sick person.

This is a symptom of a culture that feels free to spew venomous hatred and bigotry against people of faith. There is no doubt we will begin to see more of this.


4 posted on 07/27/2008 8:49:15 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper (A vote for third party is a vote for nObama)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
How very sad. I wonder if this is a "gun-free" church.

At least some of the parishioners were able to tackle the guy.

Prayers for all involved.

5 posted on 07/27/2008 8:51:47 AM PDT by basil (Support the Second Amendment-buy another gun today!)
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To: basil
I did not see this post before I posted the breaking news from CNN. Just shows that CNN is always a poor second to freerepublic!

A bright spot in the bad news is that America is remembering how to fight back!

7 posted on 07/27/2008 8:55:08 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: basil

Ping


8 posted on 07/27/2008 8:57:13 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: P8riot

Yeah, I wondered about that too.


9 posted on 07/27/2008 8:58:07 AM PDT by Califreak (Time to give the empty suits a one way ticket to the cleaners!)
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To: basil

“How very sad. I wonder if this is a “gun-free” church.”

I know of very few churches, if any, that are officially gun free.

The attacker in a situation like this always has the advantage of surprise and if has any gun training at all is going to shoot people before taken out. I don’t know about you, but I don’t sit in church watching for crazed gunmen every moment of the service. I have more important things to attend to.


10 posted on 07/27/2008 8:58:48 AM PDT by gracesdad
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To: All

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11 posted on 07/27/2008 8:59:45 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: 2nd amendment mama

concealed carry

This is what it’s all about folks. Any guy entering a church brandishing a shotgun should be dead meat before he can raise it and fire.

We hear talk about how terrible it would be to return to the wild west days. I doubt too many people were walking into churches in those days gunning down people for the sport of it.


12 posted on 07/27/2008 9:00:06 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (I'm a non Soros non lefitst supporting maverick Gang of 1, who won't be voting for McCain.)
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To: big'ol_freeper

“This is a symptom of a culture that feels free to spew venomous hatred and bigotry against people of faith. There is no doubt we will begin to see more of this.”

My bet is it has nothing whatsoever to do with hatred of faith. If that were the cause, why didn’t the guy attack a more fundamental place?


13 posted on 07/27/2008 9:00:39 AM PDT by gracesdad
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To: big'ol_freeper
This is a symptom of a culture that feels free to spew venomous hatred and bigotry against people of faith. There is no doubt we will begin to see more of this.

The vast majority of these incidents are personal. They occur because of some sort of issue between the perp and one of the congregants, or the perp and the church leadership. It follows the same pattern as shootings in the workplace, usually committed by a present or former employee who believes he's been wronged - not someone who just hates corporate America in general.

14 posted on 07/27/2008 9:01:13 AM PDT by dbwz
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http://www.wbir

This site is continually being updated:

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http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=61322

UPDATED: Man opens fire inside Knoxville church; at least six people shot
Katie Allison Granju Updated: 7/27/2008 11:47:44 AM Posted: 7/27/2008 10:33:12 AM
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11:44 am

Sources say church members tackled the suspect, holding him until police arrived.

KPD says the call came in at 10:18 am. The first officer arrived at 10:21 am. The suspect was taken into custody at 10:22 am. Police believe he is the lone suspect.

KPD officials says Mayor Haslam has been made aware of the event, and a press conference will be held later today.

11:38 am

More information about the church can be found at their website: www.TVUUC.org

11:29 am

Steve Drevik says the suspect isn’t believed to have any connection to the church.


15 posted on 07/27/2008 9:01:58 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: DoughtyOne

“This is what it’s all about folks. Any guy entering a church brandishing a shotgun should be dead meat before he can raise it and fire.”

So do you spend every moment of the service watching every entrance for gun brandishing maniacs? I know I don’t, primarily because it happens so rarely.


16 posted on 07/27/2008 9:02:30 AM PDT by gracesdad
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To: P8riot

You don’t know many Unitarians do you? It’s a “progressive” church. They probably had The Vagina Monologues scheduled for the evening service. Prayers up for the injured.


17 posted on 07/27/2008 9:02:48 AM PDT by AndrewB
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To: P8riot
What place does "Annie" have in a worship service. I'd have probably shot up the place too.

Unitarian Church. Enough said. Regardless, events like this shouldn't happen but it's a good sign that the perp got tackled.

18 posted on 07/27/2008 9:02:52 AM PDT by NewHampshireDuo (Earth - Taking care of itself since 4.6 billion BC)
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To: All

Church website link - clickable:

http://www.tvuuc.org/


19 posted on 07/27/2008 9:02:53 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Prayers for everybody.


20 posted on 07/27/2008 9:03:07 AM PDT by gracesdad
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Yes, an unfortunate story and probably not the time to opine on the effect that that theme song has on me!


21 posted on 07/27/2008 9:03:07 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: basil

Irk a room full of Tennesseans, by yourself, with nothing but a sidearm - Big mistake.


22 posted on 07/27/2008 9:03:39 AM PDT by Enosh (†)
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To: All

updates here too:

http://www.wate.com


23 posted on 07/27/2008 9:03:43 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: 2nd amendment mama

The Unitarians are the liberals and humanists in my community and no doubt the same in Knoxville.

They tried to stop the shooter which is the right thing to do, but I suspect not too many are advocates for the Second Amendment and using guns in self-defense.

A terrible thing to happen to anyone, anywhere.


24 posted on 07/27/2008 9:04:00 AM PDT by Nextrush (MCLAME VS. NOBOMBEM.......What a choice?)
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To: gracesdad
Unless you go to a Mega church I would guess you recognize visitors though.

Maybe it would be different for LE but American's aren't conditioned to violence. Even if armed the church goer would probably not realize what was happening until shots fired. It might even take a few more seconds to process that what they were witnessing was real.JAT

25 posted on 07/27/2008 9:04:22 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: P8riot
What place does "Annie" have in a worship service?

It was probably a mini-rally for The Obamassiah and they were singing "The sun will come out tomorrow ....". Otherwise, a musical about a poor orphan (Annie) who is befriended by a rich capitalist (Daddy Warbucks), doesn't really fit the UU agenda. Now maybe, if there were a lesbian relationship between Annie and Mommy Warbucks or Annie got pregnant and had to get raise money for an abortion, that would be truly a part of the UU world view.

26 posted on 07/27/2008 9:09:04 AM PDT by reg45
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To: DoughtyOne

This nation has long been in need of a good dose of “.44 Law.”


27 posted on 07/27/2008 9:17:12 AM PDT by Roccus (Someday it'll all make sense.....maybe.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Prayers being said. How horrible...


28 posted on 07/27/2008 9:19:56 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (LR's BLOG: http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Been watching this on local TV. I am not too far from Knoxville.

Will be watching the news for the press conference, and praying for the victims.


29 posted on 07/27/2008 9:24:38 AM PDT by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

My father, during his pastoring life, had confrontations with gunmen four times - once was a robbery during the church service, the other times were personal, i.e., a husband or father did not approve of the association of a female family member with the church.

However, I do believe the current anti-religious bent of the press and certain institutions offers an “excuse” to those with loose screws.


30 posted on 07/27/2008 9:24:56 AM PDT by Roses0508
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To: 2nd amendment mama

It’s a vulnerable feeling sitting in church with your back to the door. Prayers to all involved.


31 posted on 07/27/2008 9:25:58 AM PDT by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: Roses0508
However, I do believe the current anti-religious bent of the press and
certain institutions offers an “excuse” to those with loose screws.


If not some sort of secularist/materialist "absolution" for reducing
the number of "those dangerous religious people".

Or some sort of "Sam Harris/Christopher Hitchens Medal of Honor".
32 posted on 07/27/2008 9:28:01 AM PDT by VOA
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To: 2nd amendment mama
Two congregants tackled the gunman, he said.

All these shootings have a common theme........... the shooter calmly reloads, then begins shooting again.

Sounds like the good folks took things in their own hands here.

33 posted on 07/27/2008 9:31:13 AM PDT by umgud
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To: Islander7

Don’t need a sarcasm tag but maybe you need a “tact” tag.....

When people ae killed or severely injured and the initial reports come through, now is not the time for smarta$$ remarks.....


34 posted on 07/27/2008 9:32:17 AM PDT by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: 2nd amendment mama

“Unitarian Universalism is a liberal religion with Jewish-Christian roots. It has no creed. It affirms the worth of human beings, advocates freedom of belief and the search for advancing truth, and tries to provide a warm, open, supportive community for people who believe that ethical living is the supreme witness of religion.”

In other words, a NEW AGE church.

What do you expect? God is NOT in the center of this church. Human beings are.


35 posted on 07/27/2008 9:35:05 AM PDT by Ben Reyes
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To: Ben Reyes

Not all events follow an ideological script. Maybe it turns out that the unitarians did a better job of tackling an invader than some recent church shootings of more mainline or evangelical churches. Sometimes facts are just facts. Sometimes people react as good people, whatever their other trappings. We’ll see.


36 posted on 07/27/2008 9:40:51 AM PDT by BohDaThone
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To: 2nd amendment mama

This is why there was a loaded Glock concealed beneath my sport coat this morning, and every morning I am at church. Oh, and an extra clip in case they’re fat or I miss.


37 posted on 07/27/2008 9:48:35 AM PDT by DaveLoneRanger (Gun-free zones aren't. Visit ConcealedCampus.com for more)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

And yet it is leftist orthodoxy that putting up a “no guns” sign will stop depraved madmen like this.


38 posted on 07/27/2008 9:51:24 AM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: nevergore

“....When people ae killed or severely injured and the initial reports come through, now is not the time for smarta$$ remarks.....”

Just trying to think like a liberal.


39 posted on 07/27/2008 9:53:29 AM PDT by Islander7 ("Show me an honest politician and I will show you a case of mistaken identity.")
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To: basil
I wonder if this is a "gun-free" church.

Good question:

Unitarian...children's production of "Annie" was taking place as part of the normal Sunday service...

40 posted on 07/27/2008 9:53:44 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: 2nd amendment mama; P8riot; NewHampshireDuo; Nextrush; Ben Reyes; All
The Unitarians are the liberals and humanists in my community and no doubt the same in Knoxville.

From this source:

Unitarian Universalists
Christian or Cult?

Unitarian Universalism (UU), known officially as the Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations in North America (with headquarters in Boston, Mass.), was officially formed in 1961 with the merger of two separate religious groups whose roots date back to the early 1500s -- the American Unitarian Association (1825) and the Universalist Church of America (1793). Unitarian Universalism is one of the most liberal of the denominations, being more akin to a society of free thinkers than a traditional "Christian" denomination.

In America, the religious liberalism that came to be known as Unitarianism appeared within the congregational churches in Massachusetts as a reaction against the revivalism of the Great Awakening (1740-43). Unitarianism prospered in the late-18th century among the Harvard elite, and emerged full bloom in the early-19th century as a rational, mystical, liberal religion that rejected the divinity of Christ as well as the Calvinist view of man as totally depraved. The Unitarians believed that man was not only morally perfectible, but that education was the only true way to salvation. Since they believed that evil was caused by ignorance, poverty, and social injustice, they were convinced that only a good liberal education, provided by the government at no charge, would solve society's problems (1/96, The Blumenfeld Education Letter, p. 2).

Universalism is the theological doctrine that all souls will ultimately be saved and that there are no torments of hell. Universalism has been asserted at various times in different contexts throughout the history of the "Christian church" -- e.g., Origen in the 3rd century. The Universalists also denied the miraculous element in Scripture, and rejected such important Bible doctrines as the total depravity of man and the Trinity.

There are currently about 205,000 Unitarian Universalist members in 1,040 congregations in North America. The beliefs of Unitarian Universalism appeal greatly to the "yuppie" generation of today -- no penalty for sin, no hell, salvation for all, ecumenism with all other religions, and extreme theological liberalism with no official creeds. Many in this "church" do not believe in Biblical Christianity, and some do not even want to be known as Christians. According to the Unitarian-Universalist 1985 revised statement, no minister, member, or congregation "shall be required to subscribe to any particular interpretation of religion, or to any particular religious belief or creed." Four of their seven Principles and Purposes are these: The inherent worth and dignity of every person; a free and responsible search for truth; the goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all; respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.

In their attempt to be "free thinking" and "non-creedal," the UUs have become so liberal that they deny almost every doctrine of the Christian faith, replacing the worship of God with a worship of self, teaching that human reason and experience take precedence over the Word of God. Below are the highlights of what the Unitarian Universalists "believe" concerning their source of authority, the Trinity, God, Christ, salvation, and heaven and hell:

  1. Source of Authority. The UUs deny the divine inspiration and absolute authority of the Scriptures. They claim the Bible was merely the creation of men, and therefore, the Bible contains many "inaccuracies, inconsistencies, and errors." They substitute human reason for revelation as their source of authority, and believe there are no absolute or infallible guides, including reason. [HJB] In fact, UUs desire a world religion that "draws from and honors the teachings of all of the great religious traditions."

  2. Trinity. The UUs deny that one God exists in three Persons. Instead, they claim that Trinitarian doctrine was added by the Council of Nicaea in A.D. 325.

  3. God. The UUs hold a variety of liberal views about God: Some do not believe that He is a Person, but instead claim He is an impersonal spirit, a natural force, or a principle. Some even claim that He is a created being, not supernatural. Others even deny His existence completely.

  4. Jesus Christ. The UUs deny the deity of Christ -- that He is not God and Savior, but only a good man and teacher. They claim that the apostles and other Christian writers added to the Scriptures the teachings concerning Christ's atonement for sin.

  5. Salvation. The UUs teach that the essence of salvation is character development ("deeds not creeds"), rather than faith in Jesus Christ alone -- the "social gospel" reigns supreme in UU. This belief allows every person to do whatever is right in his own eyes as long as he is sincere about it (including homosexual behavior -- UU became the first denomination to call for the legal recognition of same-sex marriages [Associated Press:6/25/96]; as early as 1970, UUs called for an end to discrimination against homosexuals and bisexuals, and in 1980, UUs resolved that homosexuals should be ordained.).

  6. Hell. The UUs hold the "universalist" belief that no one will be eternally condemned. They, therefore, deny the existence of hell, claiming it is unreasonable for a loving God to send people to a place of eternal torment. They believe that we suffer the consequences of sin in this life only.


41 posted on 07/27/2008 9:58:53 AM PDT by Zakeet (Be thankful we don't get all the government we pay for)
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To: Roses0508
However, I do believe the current anti-religious bent of the press and certain institutions offers an “excuse” to those with loose screws.

Agree. Unbelievers don't see the difference between Bible-based churches and non-Bible-based churches. They hate them all. I think it was yesterday that police shot an armed man who was preparing to attack a Christian radio station.

Obviously we don't have the details yet, but the anti-Christian fervor that's building in this country and being fanned daily by the MSM, could easily have played a role.

MM (in TX)

42 posted on 07/27/2008 10:15:39 AM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: 2nd amendment mama

What a terrible thing. Prayers!


43 posted on 07/27/2008 10:18:35 AM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: DoughtyOne
concealed carry

highly unlikely at a Unitarian church

44 posted on 07/27/2008 10:22:10 AM PDT by wardaddy (Myself and my ancestors take full responsibility for all racial discrimination here since 1607)
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To: UCANSEE2
“Two congregants tackled the gunman, he said.”

Better that they should/could have shot him. But concealed carry is allowed in Churches in Tennessee. At the option of the church leadership. (pastor, elders, etc).

Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church.

Probably bans concealed carry, not that many of the members, if any, would be likely have a CHL/CCW anyway.

45 posted on 07/27/2008 10:23:56 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: girlangler
Been watching this on local TV. I am not too far from Knoxville. Will be watching the news for the press conference, and praying for the victims.

It was up in Sequoia Hills end of Kingston Pike I'm pretty certain. I looked up the address. Remember late last year the nut that opened fire at Hooters? He was killed a few blocks from the church down in upper Bearden. Could have been anything. Homeless, a recent release from Lakeshore {not to far away either}, there's no telling. Sequoia Hills for those who do not know Knoxville is an upper scale and older neighborhood. Residence include Victor Ashe. There was a very good chance someone nearby was armed too. The community is in between the University of Tennessee and downtown section and West Knoxville where all the retailers have moved to.

46 posted on 07/27/2008 10:24:25 AM PDT by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: Islander7
We need to ban church services. They are just too dangerous!

Christopher Hitchens would agree. He considers them dangerous areas of "learning".

47 posted on 07/27/2008 10:26:57 AM PDT by weegee (Obama loves America like Bill loves Hillary.)
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To: Ben Reyes
In other words, a NEW AGE church.

As in Founding Father Thomas Jefferson ya mean? I don't follow their teachings but Jefferson wrote the Bible they use if I'm not mistaken.

48 posted on 07/27/2008 10:28:52 AM PDT by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: Zakeet

Unitarians are basically Star Wars fans. They believe that there is a god force that all souls are part. Read Emerson’s “The Oversoul” if you want to understand more about Unitarians.


49 posted on 07/27/2008 10:30:10 AM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: Cindy

Another Theo-phobe on the loose.


50 posted on 07/27/2008 10:32:55 AM PDT by Loud Mime (Liberals used to be persons who believed in liberty - now they believe in Communism.)
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