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Man opens fire inside Knoxville church; at least six people shot
WBIR.com ^ | 7/27/2008 | Katie Allison Granju

Posted on 07/27/2008 8:43:01 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama

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To: don-o
I agree with what you're saying with only one exception and that is someone who is trully bonified and certified lifelong mentally ill. For that there is a state facility about two miles from that church which used to keep such away from society.

There is hope. In Knox County he will likely face a tough jury. On the downside there are a couple of Knoxville area defense lawyers who will make this yet another showcase circus and a career of his defense for years on end as well. I won't mention names but one is in trouble up around your way.

101 posted on 07/27/2008 4:43:34 PM PDT by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: Nathan Zachary

I went to a Unitarian church once. I am not a religious person, but it struck me as completely devoid of any concept of God. It was just a bunch of liberals with nothing better to do on a Sunday morning.

I agree with everyone that this was a terrible act. But for those of you who do not want to drag religion into this, just wait. If the shooter is found to be a member of a Christian denomination, especially a conservative one, the MSM will instantly turn this into a direct attack by that denomination on the Unitarians.


102 posted on 07/27/2008 4:45:03 PM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: snippy_about_it

“We don’t know this particular individual. We may never know why,” Drevik said. “All of this will come out in the next couple of days.”

????

Good old CNN, that’s what they think, i’ll call down and get the guys name myself.

I have ways.


103 posted on 07/27/2008 4:49:38 PM PDT by AliVeritas (We have help in heaven.)
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To: beef
If the shooter is found to be a member of a Christian denomination, especially a conservative one, the MSM will instantly turn this into a direct attack by that denomination on the Unitarians.

That dog won't hunt here. The churches in East Tennessee have a long history of pulling together especially when one is in trouble. For example if one church burns you'll see another one offering them worship space. There's no denomination fights here. None for over 100 years have been purposely singled out and harassed by another as far as I know. A preacher might speak against another denomination in the pulpit that is as far as it goes. The area is highly diverse and most of us have multiple denominations in the immediate family.

104 posted on 07/27/2008 4:54:21 PM PDT by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

I hope the person who was killed found faith in Christ.

Unitarian Us are not Christians and do not even proclaim to be, but this is really sad......

Why would somebody murder people of any faith?


105 posted on 07/27/2008 4:56:17 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: Islander7
LOL!!!!

If the big o is elected, and more dims are in congress, that really might happen.

Prayers for the families.

106 posted on 07/27/2008 4:56:56 PM PDT by mathluv
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To: Ben Reyes

they don’t even say they are Christians...church is just the name of their building. Doesn’t make it right though of course to shoot them up.


107 posted on 07/27/2008 5:00:47 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Prayers for the victims and their families.


108 posted on 07/27/2008 5:04:44 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: girlangler

Mr G and I were talking after we heard of the shooting. He believes that churches, schools and malls are the most dangerous places to be now.


109 posted on 07/27/2008 5:11:59 PM PDT by Grammy (Obama worked for 143 days as a Senator before deciding he was qualified to be President.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Read about it here.

http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=61322&catid=2


110 posted on 07/27/2008 5:13:33 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: All

http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=61322&catid=2


111 posted on 07/27/2008 5:21:34 PM PDT by AliVeritas (We have help in heaven.)
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To: don-o
I'm pulling external security for my neighbor, that happens to be a church that I won't go to because I disagree with their theology. But I am willing to watch the parking lot with a 12 gauge in my lap.

/johnny

112 posted on 07/27/2008 5:22:44 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: All

Second church victim dead via WBIR.


113 posted on 07/27/2008 5:23:13 PM PDT by AliVeritas (We have help in heaven.)
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To: cva66snipe
Could have even been a break down single shot I hope not though.That would mean at least 5 chances to disarm him. Six people shot and if I read right more shot at. Now even with the plug out most hold what? 5 shells? Meaning he had time to do a reload too most likely. In close quarters the shot would not scatter that much.

Probably not break action. They would have tackled him sooner. A pump with a 20" barrel be 8 shots without reloading, IIRC. Even the 18.5" Mossberg Cruiser model holds 6 rounds, including the one in the chamber. Of course after reloading you either have to top off the magazine or live with one less round on that go around.

Considering we are talking a shotgun here, in a largish room, he could easily have shot them all before reloading, even with the 6 shot model.

114 posted on 07/27/2008 5:36:10 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Grammy; All

Just saw on TV a second person has died from the shooting today at the church. A woman.

I agree Grammy and Mr. G, unfortunately, these places are dangerous now. Did you see this thread (below).

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2052249/posts

I apologize for not freepmailing you yet. Me and Mom are both beat from this trip, emotionally as well as physically. It was so hard to leave my aunt, her crying for us not to leave and knowing it will probably be the last time we’ll see her. Plus, I am catching up here on my poor neglected garden.

I have a LOT to tell you when I do freepmail you. I was planning on hitting the bed here early tonight, but wanted to post this update on the shooting today.


115 posted on 07/27/2008 6:07:40 PM PDT by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: cva66snipe

See post 115 ping.

A second shooting victim has died, a woman.


116 posted on 07/27/2008 6:09:06 PM PDT by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Not technically a “church” — more of a social organization.

That said, of course, this shooting is wrong and it’s good that the guy was stopped.


117 posted on 07/27/2008 6:09:12 PM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: Theo

Nice to see some hippies with the grapes to tackle the perp. I believe they do have a death penalty in Tennessee. He should get it.


118 posted on 07/27/2008 6:15:20 PM PDT by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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To: El Gato
If one witnesses shot count is accurateand under the circumstances that's questionable for obvious reasons, I'd bet on a sawed off. Close in you can do major carnage to multiple persons with one shot. Obviously that was his intentions.

I drove by that church last week. If I remember right it was about medium size maybe capable of holding a couple hundred in the main part. It was likely another denomination church before but I can't recall which one. Generally I avoid that road as it's a pain to drive through. Narrow 4 lane very high traffic. But I had to get from the football stadium at the university audiology department to another location down on Kingston Pike.

I used to keep a 20 gauge broke down in my van in the summer months. It was my snake gun. I could pop it together in seconds. Now if a person wants to get sarcastic about gun laws {if only the 3 shell law had still been in effect in Tennessee} Of course I don't mean it I just remember that law. It took decades to finally get that one off the books.

119 posted on 07/27/2008 6:27:41 PM PDT by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: cva66snipe
From www.NECN.com:


TN church gunman held on $1 million bond


(NECN) - After killing two and injuring 7 in a Tennessee church shooting, Jim D. Adkisson, 58, is being charged with first degree murder.

He is held Sunday night on one-million dollar bond.

Linda Kreager, 61, died at the University of Tennessee Medical Center a few hours after the shooting.

The man who initially passed away was identified as Greg McKendry, 60, a longtime church member and usher.

For the reaction of Knoxville Deputy Police Chief Bill Roehl, click here.

For the full story as reported by ABC's John Hendren, click here.


120 posted on 07/27/2008 6:34:04 PM PDT by RonDog
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To: RonDog

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jOAQKzY-aOBqDspFkEAV_ZO65vZAD926HILO0


121 posted on 07/27/2008 6:35:58 PM PDT by RonDog
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To: girlangler
A second shooting victim has died, a woman.

Yea from the earlier reports of her injury it sure didn't sound good for her at all. If UTMC couldn't save her life nobody could. They're tops in trauma. Gonna be a lot of people with mental scars for a long time especially the foster kid and the mans wife plus this women's family. I remember when Knoxville was safe. I lived in the Inskip/Norwood area from age 6-10 back in the 60's. At 14 when I went to Knoxville to see a movie I could even walk downtown at night alone from Gay Street down to Broadway and Magnolia to the phone company. I'm out in the country and even still I have something quick and handy. No place safe no more that part of our nation is gone.

122 posted on 07/27/2008 6:37:52 PM PDT by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: rwfromkansas
I hope the person who was killed found faith in Christ.

An early report I saw indicated that the man who died may have been shielding the children.

123 posted on 07/27/2008 6:43:27 PM PDT by don-o (Have you donated to FR? If not, why not?)
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To: don-o
An early report I saw indicated that the man who died may have been shielding the children.
From www.commercialappeal.com:
...Church member Greg McKendry, 60, was shot and killed when he confronted the gunman during a children's presentation of the musical, "Annie Jr!"

"He was the first person he encountered," according to Owen...

-- snip --

"Greg McKendry stood in the front of the gunman and took the blast to protect the rest of us," witness Barbara Kemper said.

"Make sure everyone knows that Greg McKendry was a hero, a total hero," Taylor Bessette said of the man who has been his foster father just a few months.


124 posted on 07/27/2008 6:48:17 PM PDT by RonDog
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To: RonDog; don-o
Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church

I certainly hope the best for all these poor people.

The UUV's have left Christianity for quite a while now, and are in some kind of deistic experiment. They are very liberal and maybe a bit occultish in many ways. I've run across some on the web who either accept or encourage a wiccan intersection with their deistic concepts.

My guess is that it might have been someone with a paranoid, sick view of Christianity who was "cleansing" the area.

But, then again, it could be as simple as a marital spat gone terribly wrong.

125 posted on 07/27/2008 6:49:34 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: struggle

There were kids singing there, They don’t know what your yapping about. I don’t either


126 posted on 07/27/2008 6:51:44 PM PDT by reefdiver (Had Enough? Drill 4 OIL)
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To: don-o

Hey, give me a break. After having the thing on me since 9 this morning, I finally took it off to clean it.

GEEEZ!


127 posted on 07/27/2008 6:55:57 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: RonDog

Thanks Dog. Somehow, I think a man who lays down his life like that is going to be just fine with God. Something like...”greater love hath no man...” comes to mind.


128 posted on 07/27/2008 6:59:07 PM PDT by don-o (Have you donated to FR? If not, why not?)
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To: cva66snipe

That’s why I like it out here where I reside. No neighbors, and any intruders will be detected by my dogs in time for me to be alerted.

Yes, Knoxville has become dangerous, like most small cities. I also read WYSH radio out of Anderson County, and it has some good, up to date news. I don’t think I would want to even live in Oak Ridge at this point, and it use to be one of the safest places on earth!!! And I too am armed and willing to defend my life/property.

And yes, UTMC is among the finest for trauma.

Listening now to Fox News and they are saying this is a “hate crime” because of the church’s welcoming of gays.

I’ll be watching the 11 p.m. news.


129 posted on 07/27/2008 7:06:33 PM PDT by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: girlangler
I don’t think I would want to even live in Oak Ridge at this point, and it use to be one of the safest places on earth!!! And I too am armed and willing to defend my life/property.

Yea Oak Ridge has changed as well. Part of it is the illegal problem the city government ignores. It's too busy cutting a red light/speed camera deal to be bothered with rapist, robbers, and thugs. I don't feel safe there now and if the camera deal passes I'm done going there at all.

Listening now to Fox News and they are saying this is a “hate crime” because of the church’s welcoming of gays.

Now what they aren't saying is that also probably covers about a third of the many churches within a 10 block area of the TVUUC. The term hate crime I think came from Police Chief Owens. Check Yahoo's main site real quick. It's an AP article. If it were in my or your county my best bet would be on a Meth Head.

130 posted on 07/27/2008 7:19:18 PM PDT by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: Ben Reyes
What do you expect? God is NOT in the center of this church. Human beings are.

My brother was at this service. While I 200% agree with you on God not being the same zip code as this "church" I hope and pray we all can keep kindness in the forefront for the people, and pray for them...as Christ did.

131 posted on 07/27/2008 7:26:38 PM PDT by 50sDad (OBAMA: In your heart you know he's Wright.)
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To: Nathan Zachary

One of the web articles said that the shooter claimed “the Bible is full of contradictions” to a neighbor. Isn’t this the essence of what Unitarians believe? Shouldn’t he have been sitting in the pews and not shooting at them? Unbelievable.


132 posted on 07/27/2008 7:32:04 PM PDT by 50sDad (OBAMA: In your heart you know he's Wright.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

You’re not safe anywhere these days.


133 posted on 07/27/2008 7:40:35 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Boycott Washington D.C. until they allow gun ownership)
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To: rwfromkansas

This memory will stay with those kids forever.


134 posted on 07/27/2008 7:41:18 PM PDT by keats5 (tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide)
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To: 50sDad

I can’t imagine what an awful day this has been for you, your brother and your family. You’ll be in our prayers.

Assuming that the shooter isn’t just bats—t crazy, but was motivated by something concrete, like hatred of Christians, the irony of his targeting a UU church doesn’t surprise me. In my experience, the people that are really rabidly anti-Christian and anti-organized-religion are astonishingly ignorant about the differences between different Christian denominations. Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Mormon, mainline, evangelical, fundamentalist, pentecostal, dispensational, messianic, etc, etc - it’s all the same to them. For all they care, the pope handles snakes while wearing temple undergarments and waiting for the rapture. Such bigots rarely have the theological literacy to know that the UU’s are non-Christian, often non-theistic, and socially and politically liberal.


135 posted on 07/27/2008 8:23:01 PM PDT by sassbox (New Jersey politics - home for those who aren't competent enough to make it in the mafia.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
Agreed, prayers for the members of the church who lived through this -- bystanders and victims.

Glad to hear that parishioners went "Flight 93" on the gunman instead of waiting helplessly.

136 posted on 07/27/2008 8:35:03 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: big'ol_freeper

What is the “faith” of the UU “church”?


137 posted on 07/27/2008 8:41:09 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: don-o
An early report I saw indicated that the man who died may have been shielding the children.

Just shielding someone from attack doesn't gain you entrance into the Kingdom of Heaven.

I hope the people in this "church" will use this wake-up-call as a way to get closer to the Lord Jesus Christ and reject their secular humanism.
138 posted on 07/27/2008 8:46:00 PM PDT by LightBeam (Support the Surge. Support Victory.)
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To: don-o

that’s brave.


139 posted on 07/27/2008 8:50:33 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: Zakeet
Your synopsis of the Unitarian Church has absolutely nothing to do with the murders that occurred today. No different than an analogy between Larry Craig and all Republicans having gay sex in airport bathrooms.

Just because you have access to a keyboard and the internet, does not mean you have the sense to use your public opinion depository wisely.

140 posted on 07/27/2008 8:53:36 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Plants are people too)
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To: gracesdad

And it could be someone with serious mental issues. Whatever.... it ain’t good.


141 posted on 07/27/2008 9:31:17 PM PDT by Just Lori (There is nothing democrat"ic" about democrats.)
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To: DoughtyOne

I’m one of half a dozen (including the Pastor!) in our small congreation who are CCW holders and CERTAIN to be armed 100% of the time. This guy would have “possibly” gotten off a round before somebody in my group popped him, but I doubt he would have wounded half a dozen people. It’s hard to say though with a shotgun.


142 posted on 07/27/2008 9:35:31 PM PDT by hiredhand
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To: Zakeet

“Jesus Christ. The UUs deny the deity of Christ — that He is not God and Savior, but only a good man and teacher. They claim that the apostles and other Christian writers added to the Scriptures the teachings concerning Christ’s atonement for sin.”

Yep. Doesn’t sound to me like this is a Christian church.


143 posted on 07/27/2008 9:59:43 PM PDT by Ben Reyes (New Age is Stone Age in the Eye of a True Believer)
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To: Ben Reyes
Yep. Doesn’t sound to me like this is a Christian church.

Jest another fool proving that keyboard and internet access supersedes discernment and ability to stay on topic.

144 posted on 07/27/2008 10:39:41 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Plants are people too)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

There will be more of these, no doubt.


145 posted on 07/27/2008 11:05:37 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (If McCain Stays RINO After You Vote For Him You Were: A) A Fool; or B) No Conservative To Begin With)
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To: Zakeet

While fascinating, it has absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand.


146 posted on 07/27/2008 11:47:22 PM PDT by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: basil
I wonder if this is a "gun-free" church.

Not in Knoxville!

147 posted on 07/28/2008 3:16:08 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: LightBeam

IIRC, when our Lord told a story about this (the kingdom of Heaven), both those who got in and those who did not get in were surprised.


148 posted on 07/28/2008 3:21:48 AM PDT by don-o (Have you donated to FR? If not, why not?)
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To: El Gato

Folding stock, pistol grip, a hacksaw or all three .......

Bad deal regardless.

Stay safe !


149 posted on 07/28/2008 6:17:42 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Zakeet

This is Obama’s childhood church (Unitarian in Wash. state) that gramps took him to. I wonder who the shooter is.


150 posted on 07/28/2008 7:02:08 AM PDT by ecomcon
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