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Man opens fire inside Knoxville church; at least six people shot
WBIR.com ^ | 7/27/2008 | Katie Allison Granju

Posted on 07/27/2008 8:43:01 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama

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To: Loud Mime

One dead five critical per our local TV station WBIR website. I can’t link because it is a Gannett owned source.


51 posted on 07/27/2008 10:38:48 AM PDT by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: cva66snipe
I can’t link because it is a Gannett owned source.

Strange. The thread head is a link to wbir.com

52 posted on 07/27/2008 10:40:31 AM PDT by don-o (Have you donated to FR? If not, why not?)
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To: UCANSEE2
From the Unitarian Universalist Association website

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the Unitarian Universalist Association, its member congregations, and individual Unitarian Universalists be encouraged to petition legislators to enact and support laws such as:

1. the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1991 (HR7) in the United States, which is intended to place nationally uniform, effective limitations on individual possession of
2. handguns, including waiting periods, licensing, and registration;
...
BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED that the Unitarian Universalist Association, its member congregations, and individual Unitarian Universalists in the United States be urged to petition legislators to enact and support laws banning private ownership or use of machine guns and semi-automatic and automatic assault weapons.

Even their current Criminal Justic position page supports increased gun control.

However, as I understand it, not all congregations agree with the National organization, nor are they bound by it's "resolutions".

53 posted on 07/27/2008 10:42:24 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: don-o
Strange. The thread head is a link to wbir.com

I know. But what I mean is I think it's against FR rules to link to Gannett. Gannett does own WBIR or at least the news part anyway.

54 posted on 07/27/2008 10:45:22 AM PDT by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: reg45
It was probably a mini-rally for The Obamassiah and they were singing "The sun will come out tomorrow ....". Otherwise, a musical about a poor orphan (Annie) who is befriended by a rich capitalist (Daddy Warbucks), doesn't really fit the UU agenda. Now maybe, if there were a lesbian relationship between Annie and Mommy Warbucks or Annie got pregnant and had to get raise money for an abortion, that would be truly a part of the UU world view.

Do we have to drag politics into this?

Regardless of what you think of the faith and its tenets, the fact that a gunman attacked a bunch of parishioners practicing for a children's play is a shocking tragedy.

Prayers for the wounded.

55 posted on 07/27/2008 10:51:48 AM PDT by mthornburg
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To: El Gato

It sounds more like a political organization than a religious organization.


56 posted on 07/27/2008 10:56:55 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: 2nd amendment mama

“A production of Annie” ??? is this a Christian Church?

But my prayers for the families and those wounded of course.

People who are licensed carry should be able to carry in Church.

This could have been stopped by a law abiding citizen.


57 posted on 07/27/2008 10:57:01 AM PDT by ColdSteelTalon
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To: mthornburg
Regardless of what you think of the faith and its tenets, the fact that a gunman attacked a bunch of parishioners practicing for a children's play is a shocking tragedy. Prayers for the wounded.

True and Unitarians as far as I know support a persons right to worship when and where they please unlike Obama's United Church of Church the pusher of Seperation of Church and State. I'm Baptist but I know a Unitarian preacher who runs an outreach close to that church when this took place to help persons in mental distress. He is a very kind man. I may not agree with his beliefs but I respect his right to have them and I admire the work he does outside his church.

I don't think this was his church but I would hate to see the man attacked or injured for any reason.

58 posted on 07/27/2008 10:58:27 AM PDT by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: ColdSteelTalon

Why are you sitting safely in front of your monitor? You (and all the keyboard Dirty Harry’s) should be out there, ready to draw down on the next shooter, who is getting ready, right now.


59 posted on 07/27/2008 11:01:00 AM PDT by don-o (Have you donated to FR? If not, why not?)
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To: don-o

You can make fun of me but I can tell you, I would be carrying in Church if I were legally allowed to. Especially since it seems that the world gets more and more hostile to Christians.


60 posted on 07/27/2008 11:05:55 AM PDT by ColdSteelTalon
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To: mthornburg

Sorry! Just trying to explain “Annie” music.


61 posted on 07/27/2008 11:10:30 AM PDT by reg45
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To: ColdSteelTalon

Religon may have not been a factor in this. The church is located on the bussiest street in town and close to some trouble areas. A few months back a man was for no reasons shot and killed at a local resturant. The perp was later found and killed about a mile from this church. That section of Kingston Pike gets all kinds of traffic including local street people going from downtown to West Knoxville to eat. There is also a can handle anything state mental hospital close by. Just saying religon may not have been the target here.


62 posted on 07/27/2008 11:13:12 AM PDT by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: cva66snipe
There is also a can handle anything state mental hospital close by. Just saying religon may not have been the target here.

No way to know yet, until and if the police release information they develop in their investigation.

However it was surely preplanned. Most folks, even criminals, don't carry a loaded shotgun around with them, these days. Even though in some places, maybe they should.

63 posted on 07/27/2008 11:23:23 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: gracesdad

In our church there are generally people in the foyer greeting people. It may be that this person makes it into the main sanctuary, but the slightest hint of trouble should result in this person being put down quickly.

As it is people are just defenseless against this. I don’t like that.


64 posted on 07/27/2008 11:23:58 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (I'm a non Soros non lefitst supporting maverick Gang of 1, who won't be voting for McCain.)
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To: cva66snipe
Futher evidence that it was preplanned comes from the video on the linked page, where it was reported that the attacker came in carry the gun in a guitar case.

I don't know about you, but I use gun cases, of various sorts, to transport my long arms.

Must have been a fairly short shotgun. Maybe even one modified into an untaxed NFA weapon? If so, one more gun law that never saved anyone.

65 posted on 07/27/2008 11:29:35 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Roccus

Well some of the worst among us, sure have been in need of it.

Unfortunately.


66 posted on 07/27/2008 11:30:31 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (I'm a non Soros non lefitst supporting maverick Gang of 1, who won't be voting for McCain.)
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To: wardaddy

I didn’t pay attention to which church it was. Is the Unitarian leadership leftist leaning?


67 posted on 07/27/2008 11:31:19 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (I'm a non Soros non lefitst supporting maverick Gang of 1, who won't be voting for McCain.)
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To: gracesdad
"My bet is it has nothing whatsoever to do with hatred of faith. If that were the cause, why didn’t the guy attack a more fundamental place?"

Because most of those that have a hatred of "faith" don't know the difference between them.

68 posted on 07/27/2008 11:33:07 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: DoughtyOne
"This is what it’s all about folks. Any guy entering a church brandishing a shotgun should be dead meat before he can raise it and fire."

So how many times does your wife have to say "Doughty, put that gun away" when you whip out your sidearm every time someone walks in the door, sticks his hand inside his coat, and puts out his donation envelope?

69 posted on 07/27/2008 11:36:45 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: 2nd amendment mama

The suspect, whose identity was not immediately released, was taken into custody without a fight after police arrived, Roehl said. Drevik said the man did not appear to be a church member.

The seven gunshot victims were taken to the University of Tennessee Medical Center, just across the Tennessee River from the church, said Capt. Brent Seymour, a Knoxville Fire Department spokesman. All of the wounded appeared to be adults, Seymour said.

About 12 others were treated for minor injuries at the church, he said.

The suspect, whose identity was not immediately released, was taken into custody without a fight after police arrived, Roehl said. Drevik said the man did not appear to be a church member.

“We don’t know this particular individual. We may never know why,” Drevik said. “All of this will come out in the next couple of days.”

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/27/church.shooting/?iref=mpstoryview


70 posted on 07/27/2008 11:38:31 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (The FReeper Foxhole. America's history, America's soul.)
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To: Zakeet
"In their attempt to be "free thinking" and "non-creedal," the UUs have become so liberal that they deny almost every doctrine of the Christian faith, replacing the worship of God with a worship of self, teaching that human reason and experience take precedence over the Word of God."

In other words, they aren't Christians, since they reject every aspect of Christianity.

"This people honors me only with lip-service, while their hearts are far from me. The worship they offer me is worthless; the doctrines they teach are only human regulations." (Matt.15:8-9).

"Make sure that no one traps you and deprives you of your freedom by some secondhand, empty, rational philosophy based on the principles of this world instead of on Christ." Colossians 2:6-8

Pretty much covers them.

71 posted on 07/27/2008 11:44:34 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: El Gato

Could have even been a break down single shot I hope not though.That would mean at least 5 chances to disarm him. Six people shot and if I read right more shot at. Now even with the plug out most hold what? 5 shells? Meaning he had time to do a reload too most likely. In close quarters the shot would not scatter that much.


72 posted on 07/27/2008 11:57:37 AM PDT by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: Zakeet

Per all of that? A cult. Most definitely.

THEY STILL DIDN’T DESERVE this......


73 posted on 07/27/2008 12:03:27 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Typical Whitey Gramma just like Obamies!)
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To: cva66snipe

Even if religion were a factor, I question whether you can draw any conclusions from the particular religious doctrine of the church. The perp may have simply been targeting “a church.” He may not have had any idea what the church stood for.


74 posted on 07/27/2008 12:14:05 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: 2nd amendment mama

When a gunman opens fire anywhere, people are very likely to be killed before he can be stopped. What can be done, however, by citizens carrying weapons is to save as many people as possible by stopping him as SOON as possible.


75 posted on 07/27/2008 12:19:37 PM PDT by Quickgun
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To: Brilliant
Even if religion were a factor, I question whether you can draw any conclusions from the particular religious doctrine of the church. The perp may have simply been targeting “a church.” He may not have had any idea what the church stood for.

True enough. I know several persons who go to Unitarian Churches. They are live and let live people non radical and the least likely to try and force anything upon anyone especially their beliefs.

That stretch of road has many churches in about a 2 mile stretch two would have been empty this morning the Jewish and Seventh Day Adventist. All are right on the road a few almost literally. If it was a planned church attack it was a Smorgasbord to choose from in a close vicinity. Most all faiths are in that area including Ba'ha or whatever. {sp}

76 posted on 07/27/2008 12:23:57 PM PDT by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: mthornburg

Thank you. As I was going through the thread, I was preparing to post a similar point.


77 posted on 07/27/2008 12:25:23 PM PDT by Ghengis (Of course freedom is free. If it wasn't, it would be called expensivedom. ~Cindy Sheehan 11/11/06)
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To: El Gato

I just read another update. One woman was in a room off from the others saying she heard several shots. It sounds like the perp had a sawed off pump to me. {Guessing} That would explain better few shots being fired and 6 hits with a kill.


78 posted on 07/27/2008 12:37:36 PM PDT by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: ColdSteelTalon

But they did stop him. Two men tackled him after he had killed only one person.

If more people were willing to be brave and fight back like these Tennesseeans, regardless of whether they have a gun or not, I think these shootings would not happen so often. One man can’t mow down a whole room of people unless they all panic and run away.

Prayers for the family of the dead man, it sounds like he was also brave for blocking the killer’s way. And for the quick recovery of those who were wounded in the fight.


79 posted on 07/27/2008 12:46:54 PM PDT by CatherinePPP
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To: DoughtyOne
We hear talk about how terrible it would be to return to the wild west days.

Hah! The wild west was safer.

80 posted on 07/27/2008 12:57:26 PM PDT by oyez (Justa' another high minded lowlife.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
Two congregants tackled the gunman, he said.

Good! Hope they decleated him.

81 posted on 07/27/2008 1:06:14 PM PDT by auboy (Men who cannot deceive others are very often successful at deceiving themselves. Samuel Johnson)
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To: Admin Moderator

Can I ask the reason this was pulled from Breaking News?


82 posted on 07/27/2008 1:26:10 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
UPDATE from www.knoxnews.com

Police: 1 dead, 8 hurt in church shooting; suspect in custody

Gunfire erupted during play at Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church By Don Jacobs , Amy McRary , Frank Munger , J.J. Stambaugh
Originally published 11:01 a.m., July 27, 2008
Updated 04:08 p.m., July 27, 2008
Shooting at Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church Several people were shot with a gunman opened fire at the church around 10:18 a.m., Sunday.

A gunman opened fire at Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church this morning, shooting eight people with a shotgun, killing one, according to Knoxville Police Chief Sterling P. Owen IV.

Seven of the wounded were taken to the University of Tennessee Medical Center, according to spokeswoman Becky Thompson.

Five remain in critical condition this afternoon; one is listed as serious. Another was treated and released.

All were adults: four women and three men.

Another victim was trampled and was treated and released at a hospital, Owen said during a press conference this afternoon.

Church member Greg McKendry, 60, was shot and killed when he confronted the gunman during a children’s presentation of the musical, “Annie Jr!”

“He was the first person he encountered,” according to Owen.

“Greg McKendry stood in the front of the gunman and took the blast to protect the rest of us,” witness Barbara Kemper said.

“Make sure everyone knows that Greg McKendry was a hero, a total hero,” Taylor Bessette said of the man who has been his foster father just a few months.

The gunman was described as having no connection to the church and was taken into custody within minutes of the shooting, according to Owen, and no motive was immediately available.

The church is located at 2931 Kingston Pike just west of the University of Tennessee.

Police dispatchers received a report of the shooting at 10:18 a.m. and took a man into custody at 10:22 a.m.

The shooter, described as a white man with long blond hair, in his 40s, with a thin build, about 6 feet tall, was wearing jeans and a bloody T-shirt, according to church member Steve Drevik, 41.

He was carrying a 12-gauge shotgun and had a fanny pack with extra ammunition.

“He will be charged shortly,” Owen said.

The FBI is assisting in the investigation, Owen said.

He declined to release the suspect’s name but said he currently lives in the Knoxville area.

Asked about the children who were performing, Owen said the shooting was “in sight of them and all the people shot were in the line of fire.”

McKendry’s foster son Taylor was a member of the cast, getting ready to take the stage and said the shooter was carrying a guitar case.

Church member John Bohstedt said in addition to the guitar case, the gunman carried a smaller case that could have been a photo bag. Bohstedt said the man took a shotgun out, walked to the back door on the right back corner of the sanctuary and took two shots,

Kemper said the gunman walked into the side of the sanctuary after firing one shot from a hallway.

She said the gunman was yelling “hateful things” and was wearing a red, white and blue T-shirt.

“He looked like bad guy.” Kemper said.

The gunman was shooting indiscriminately, Kemper said. She said at least four shotgun blasts were fired on the Second Presbyterian side of the church.

She said church members who were in the play, Bohstedt and Terry Uselton, jumped on the gunman and restrained him.

Members began telling McKendry to take a breath.

Kemper tried to comfort a little boy whose mother had been shot in the head. She said there was a handprint of blood on the back of the boys’s shirt.

Religious Education Director Brian Griffin stepped forward and oversaw efforts to calm the crowd and talk to authorities, witness Ted Lollis said.

“Everybody is shocked,” Lollis said, but “there was a lot of heroics.”

After the shooting and after the gunman was restrained, all the members of the church left out the doors behind the front of the sanctuary.

Drevik said he saw three men and two women with gunshot wounds, described as shotgun pellets to the scalp.

The suspect was taken to KPD’s headquarters on the third floor of the Safety Building downtown where he is being interviewed, according to Owen.

“The church was full,” police Lt. Jerry Armstrong said, although he could not estimate how many people were in the church.

The musical was a culmination of a summer theater workshop conducted by the Church Music Director, Vicki Masters.

According to Lollis, congregants were expecting the unexpected in the inter-generational service because it was a children’s performance.

Masters reportedly turned around with a look of horror on her face and started running towards the sounds.

Everyone was “wrapped up listening to these kids because they were doing a great job,” said witness Sheila Bowen, a retired nurse who delivered babies.

She said she heard six or seven shots.

“Oh my God, they were so loud,” she said.

At first she said she thought the loud noises might have been part of the play.

She said she heard a man say “get out, get out of here.”

She did not see the suspect because “he was on the ground and a really strong hefty guy had him pinned down.”

Leigh Ann Dickert, who lives next door to the church, said when she first heard the shots, she thought the church was having some kind of race and the screams were cheers.

When the cheering went on too long she said she realized they were screams. She looked out her window and saw people running through the parking lot.

Dickert said she went up to one of the parishioners who told her that a man came into the church with a shotgun concealed in a guitar case.

The man apparently walked up to another man in the back of the church, shot him “point blank, right there” and then opened fire on the crowd, she said.

The man was tackled when he paused to reload.

By early afternoon, about five police chaplains were on the scene, the Knoxville chapter of the American Red Cross was providing water, and witnesses continued to be questioned inside the church building.

Members who were not witnesses were being permitted to leave the grounds.

“The Red Cross is … providing counseling and meals to all the personnel that are there, congregation and emergency service workers,” Knoxville Fire Department Capt. Brent Seymour said. KFD provides first-responder emergency services and sent three vehicles to the scene immediately. An on-call EMS worker was on the nearby Cumberland Avenue Strip, heard the call and went to the church as well, Seymour said.

The Red Cross is “bringing in mental health workers for anyone who wishes to talk.”

Shortly after 1 p.m., members of the Red Cross walked into the church with their arms filled with teddy bears. Bears are often used to comfort children.

The church’s minister, the Rev. Chris Buice, was on vacation in Asheville, N.C., and drove immediately back when he was notified of the shooting.

“Greg McKendry — we loved him,” Buice said, his eyes filling with tears at the afternoon press conference.

“We loved Greg McKendry, please pray for this congregation because we are grieving the loss of a wonderful man.”

In a statement, Mayor Bill Haslam said, “Today Knoxville suffered a tragedy. Our thoughts and prayers are with the victims, their families and the church community,” Mayor Bill Haslam said in a statement.

A special meeting has been called at 6 p.m. Westside Unitarian Universalist Church, 616 Fretz Road in Farragut, to update members of the church on the events and “help us deal with this tragedy,” according to a church e-mail.

In an e-mail Bohstedt stated. “As far as we know, this has nothing to do with the church. the production, personal conflicts or anything else. Please, let’s not speculate.” He asked, “Let us all pray for the victims, including the children that were traumatized by this terrible event. Church leaders did a fine job of helping people come together. Blessings on us all- a very tragic day for our blessed community.”

Carrie Niceley, 19, of Knoxville said she heard about the shooting when it was announced at her church, First Presbyterian.

She came to the church with a bouquet of flower picked from the First Presbyterian sanctuary.

“We think a church should be more of a place for love,” she said when asked about the shooting.

She said she knows members of the church and wants everyone to “they’re in our thoughts and prayers.”

83 posted on 07/27/2008 1:37:16 PM PDT by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

It wasn’t done by a Mod. Maybe a poster.


84 posted on 07/27/2008 1:38:29 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: All

http://www.wbir.com

ARTICLE SNIPPET - QUOTE:

http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=61322

Unitarian Minister Chris Buice: “Pray for us”
Katie Allison Granju Updated: 7/27/2008 5:06:09 PM Posted: 7/27/2008 10:33:12 AM
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This is a developing story. Click “refresh” on your Web browser for the latest updates.

5:04 pmTwo victims in the attack have been treated and released at this point; it was previously reported one of those victims was treated and released from UT. Fort Sanders Regional Medical Center has confirmed one church member was taken to Fort Sanders, treated, and released. 3:41 pm

Church leaders, police officials, and Knoxville Mayor Bill Haslam gathered outside the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church Sunday afternoon to address the morning shooting.

KPD Chief Sterling Owen said officials are not ready to release the suspect’s name or age, but he did say that mental illness is not believed to be a factor in the suspect’s actions. Owen also said the FBI is now involved in the investigation. Owen confirmed witness reports indicating that the suspect arrived on the scene with a large quantity of ammunition. He also noted that the suspect had attempted to conceal the 12 gauge shotgun he used in the shooting by carrying it in a guitar case.

Owen confirmed the identity of the one fatality in the shooting as Greg McKendry. He said eight others were injured by gunfire.

Owen said McKendry was likely the first person the gunman encountered after entering the sanctuary.

According to UT Medical Center, seven gunshot victims were brought to their facility. Five are in critica l condition. One is in serious condition. One was treated and released.

TVUUC Minister Chris Buice said he was in Asheville on vacation at the time of the shooting, but returned as soon as heard the news. He teared up in speaking of McKendry’s death, asking the Knoxville community to “pray for us.”

3:15 pm

A church member tells WBIR there were “at least 200” congregants in the sanctuary at the time of the attack.


85 posted on 07/27/2008 2:12:44 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: 2nd amendment mama

May God bless all who are involved in this evil event.


86 posted on 07/27/2008 2:27:52 PM PDT by skr (I serve a risen Savior!)
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To: cva66snipe
“Make sure everyone knows that Greg McKendry was a hero, a total hero,” Taylor Bessette said of the man who has been his foster father just a few months.

Agreed...thanks for the update.

87 posted on 07/27/2008 2:30:33 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: cva66snipe
“Make sure everyone knows that Greg McKendry was a hero, a total hero,” Taylor Bessette said of the man who has been his foster father just a few months.

Agreed...thanks for the update.

88 posted on 07/27/2008 2:31:13 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Cindy

bttt


89 posted on 07/27/2008 2:52:25 PM PDT by ThreePuttinDude () ......Pelosi + Reed = $ 4.00 per gallon......()
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To: ThreePuttinDude

Thank you ThreePuttinDude.


90 posted on 07/27/2008 2:56:05 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: cva66snipe; Grammy

Just watched the local news.

They said one man died as he tried to stop the shooter. Eight injured. The shooter is Jim D. Atkinson from Powell, and at this point authorities can find no connection with him and this church. The attacker is 58 years old.

Several men attacked the shooter and held him till cops could get there.

60 year old Usher Greg McKindry (don’t know about correct spelling of his name) was killed. The news report said the shooter had lots of ammo and had planned on inflicting lots of damage.


91 posted on 07/27/2008 3:34:57 PM PDT by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: El Gato

Interesting information.

Good thing two unarmed men were able to tackle an armed man and subdue him.


92 posted on 07/27/2008 3:38:20 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Admin Moderator

Thanks


93 posted on 07/27/2008 3:42:54 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

You’re welcome :)


94 posted on 07/27/2008 3:56:38 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: cva66snipe
In a statement, Mayor Bill Haslam said, “Today Knoxville suffered a tragedy. Our thoughts and prayers are with the victims, their families and the church community,” Mayor Bill Haslam said in a statement.

I'm sorry. But, I am sick and tired of the misuse of the word "tragedy."

Every bad thing that ever happens is, somehow, a tragedy. Anything that causes pain and makes us feel bad is a tragedy.

And, I'm guessing there is already a rush to find out why the perp did it. You know what? I don't give a damn why he did it. And I want some straight talk about the people who do this, especially from elected leaders.

Words like:

Crime
Evil
Unprovoked assault
Quick and sure punishment will be pursued

And the last needs to be first. This piece of human debris needs to be arraigned by now and placed on trial seven days from today. When he is found guilty, he should get one appeal and that appeal needs to be to a three or five judge panel who are allowed to overturn a jury's verdict on only very narrowly defined factors.

Make that decision in seven more days and then proceed with punishmnet.

Rant off. I am fed up. We have a mope here in upper east Tennessee who has been gaming the system for, I think five years. His name is Howard Hawk Willis.

95 posted on 07/27/2008 4:05:59 PM PDT by don-o (Have you donated to FR? If not, why not?)
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Just on the local news... the shooter, Jim D. Atkisson, 58 years old, charged with first degree murder. He is from Knoxville/Knox County.


96 posted on 07/27/2008 4:09:27 PM PDT by TN4Liberty (Election 2008 - American Idol except no one can sing.)
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To: TN4Liberty

Any chance of a capital charge here?


97 posted on 07/27/2008 4:15:24 PM PDT by darkangel82 (If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. (Say no to RINOs))
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To: 2nd amendment mama
Now, if the musical was "Annie, Get Your Gun", Little Sure Shot could have nailed him before he got off the first round.

Seriously, prayers up for the Prince of Peace to comfort the victims and their loved ones.

98 posted on 07/27/2008 4:20:44 PM PDT by DrewsDad (PIERCE the EARMARKS)
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To: gracesdad
I know of very few churches, if any, that are officially gun free.

The attacker in a situation like this always has the advantage of surprise and if has any gun training at all is going to shoot people before taken out. I don’t know about you, but I don’t sit in church watching for crazed gunmen every moment of the service. I have more important things to attend to.


It depends upon your state and their respective concealed and carry laws.
99 posted on 07/27/2008 4:26:09 PM PDT by Das Outsider ("Islam is a persistent weed." --Jo Nuvark)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Lord have mercy.


100 posted on 07/27/2008 4:42:00 PM PDT by AliVeritas (We have help in heaven.)
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