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Pray for the victims and families of this church.
1 posted on 07/27/2008 8:43:02 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Thanks for posting the article.

The Most important part of the article...

“Two congregants tackled the gunman, he said.”


2 posted on 07/27/2008 8:46:24 AM PDT by UCANSEE2
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This is sad! Prayers for the families.

We need to ban church services. They are just too dangerous!

(If you need a sarc tag, you are on the wrong forum)
3 posted on 07/27/2008 8:47:26 AM PDT by Islander7 ("Show me an honest politician and I will show you a case of mistaken identity.")
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Horrible news. Prayers go out to those who were hurt or killed and for those who will suffer because of this sick person.

This is a symptom of a culture that feels free to spew venomous hatred and bigotry against people of faith. There is no doubt we will begin to see more of this.


4 posted on 07/27/2008 8:49:15 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper (A vote for third party is a vote for nObama)
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How very sad. I wonder if this is a "gun-free" church.

At least some of the parishioners were able to tackle the guy.

Prayers for all involved.

5 posted on 07/27/2008 8:51:47 AM PDT by basil (Support the Second Amendment-buy another gun today!)
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Ping


8 posted on 07/27/2008 8:57:13 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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11 posted on 07/27/2008 8:59:45 AM PDT by Cindy
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concealed carry

This is what it’s all about folks. Any guy entering a church brandishing a shotgun should be dead meat before he can raise it and fire.

We hear talk about how terrible it would be to return to the wild west days. I doubt too many people were walking into churches in those days gunning down people for the sport of it.


12 posted on 07/27/2008 9:00:06 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (I'm a non Soros non lefitst supporting maverick Gang of 1, who won't be voting for McCain.)
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Prayers for everybody.


20 posted on 07/27/2008 9:03:07 AM PDT by gracesdad
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The Unitarians are the liberals and humanists in my community and no doubt the same in Knoxville.

They tried to stop the shooter which is the right thing to do, but I suspect not too many are advocates for the Second Amendment and using guns in self-defense.

A terrible thing to happen to anyone, anywhere.


24 posted on 07/27/2008 9:04:00 AM PDT by Nextrush (MCLAME VS. NOBOMBEM.......What a choice?)
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Prayers being said. How horrible...


28 posted on 07/27/2008 9:19:56 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (LR's BLOG: http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com)
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Been watching this on local TV. I am not too far from Knoxville.

Will be watching the news for the press conference, and praying for the victims.


29 posted on 07/27/2008 9:24:38 AM PDT by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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My father, during his pastoring life, had confrontations with gunmen four times - once was a robbery during the church service, the other times were personal, i.e., a husband or father did not approve of the association of a female family member with the church.

However, I do believe the current anti-religious bent of the press and certain institutions offers an “excuse” to those with loose screws.


30 posted on 07/27/2008 9:24:56 AM PDT by Roses0508
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It’s a vulnerable feeling sitting in church with your back to the door. Prayers to all involved.


31 posted on 07/27/2008 9:25:58 AM PDT by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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Two congregants tackled the gunman, he said.

All these shootings have a common theme........... the shooter calmly reloads, then begins shooting again.

Sounds like the good folks took things in their own hands here.

33 posted on 07/27/2008 9:31:13 AM PDT by umgud
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“Unitarian Universalism is a liberal religion with Jewish-Christian roots. It has no creed. It affirms the worth of human beings, advocates freedom of belief and the search for advancing truth, and tries to provide a warm, open, supportive community for people who believe that ethical living is the supreme witness of religion.”

In other words, a NEW AGE church.

What do you expect? God is NOT in the center of this church. Human beings are.


35 posted on 07/27/2008 9:35:05 AM PDT by Ben Reyes
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This is why there was a loaded Glock concealed beneath my sport coat this morning, and every morning I am at church. Oh, and an extra clip in case they’re fat or I miss.


37 posted on 07/27/2008 9:48:35 AM PDT by DaveLoneRanger (Gun-free zones aren't. Visit ConcealedCampus.com for more)
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And yet it is leftist orthodoxy that putting up a “no guns” sign will stop depraved madmen like this.


38 posted on 07/27/2008 9:51:24 AM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama; P8riot; NewHampshireDuo; Nextrush; Ben Reyes; All
The Unitarians are the liberals and humanists in my community and no doubt the same in Knoxville.

From this source:

Unitarian Universalists
Christian or Cult?

Unitarian Universalism (UU), known officially as the Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations in North America (with headquarters in Boston, Mass.), was officially formed in 1961 with the merger of two separate religious groups whose roots date back to the early 1500s -- the American Unitarian Association (1825) and the Universalist Church of America (1793). Unitarian Universalism is one of the most liberal of the denominations, being more akin to a society of free thinkers than a traditional "Christian" denomination.

In America, the religious liberalism that came to be known as Unitarianism appeared within the congregational churches in Massachusetts as a reaction against the revivalism of the Great Awakening (1740-43). Unitarianism prospered in the late-18th century among the Harvard elite, and emerged full bloom in the early-19th century as a rational, mystical, liberal religion that rejected the divinity of Christ as well as the Calvinist view of man as totally depraved. The Unitarians believed that man was not only morally perfectible, but that education was the only true way to salvation. Since they believed that evil was caused by ignorance, poverty, and social injustice, they were convinced that only a good liberal education, provided by the government at no charge, would solve society's problems (1/96, The Blumenfeld Education Letter, p. 2).

Universalism is the theological doctrine that all souls will ultimately be saved and that there are no torments of hell. Universalism has been asserted at various times in different contexts throughout the history of the "Christian church" -- e.g., Origen in the 3rd century. The Universalists also denied the miraculous element in Scripture, and rejected such important Bible doctrines as the total depravity of man and the Trinity.

There are currently about 205,000 Unitarian Universalist members in 1,040 congregations in North America. The beliefs of Unitarian Universalism appeal greatly to the "yuppie" generation of today -- no penalty for sin, no hell, salvation for all, ecumenism with all other religions, and extreme theological liberalism with no official creeds. Many in this "church" do not believe in Biblical Christianity, and some do not even want to be known as Christians. According to the Unitarian-Universalist 1985 revised statement, no minister, member, or congregation "shall be required to subscribe to any particular interpretation of religion, or to any particular religious belief or creed." Four of their seven Principles and Purposes are these: The inherent worth and dignity of every person; a free and responsible search for truth; the goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all; respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.

In their attempt to be "free thinking" and "non-creedal," the UUs have become so liberal that they deny almost every doctrine of the Christian faith, replacing the worship of God with a worship of self, teaching that human reason and experience take precedence over the Word of God. Below are the highlights of what the Unitarian Universalists "believe" concerning their source of authority, the Trinity, God, Christ, salvation, and heaven and hell:

  1. Source of Authority. The UUs deny the divine inspiration and absolute authority of the Scriptures. They claim the Bible was merely the creation of men, and therefore, the Bible contains many "inaccuracies, inconsistencies, and errors." They substitute human reason for revelation as their source of authority, and believe there are no absolute or infallible guides, including reason. [HJB] In fact, UUs desire a world religion that "draws from and honors the teachings of all of the great religious traditions."

  2. Trinity. The UUs deny that one God exists in three Persons. Instead, they claim that Trinitarian doctrine was added by the Council of Nicaea in A.D. 325.

  3. God. The UUs hold a variety of liberal views about God: Some do not believe that He is a Person, but instead claim He is an impersonal spirit, a natural force, or a principle. Some even claim that He is a created being, not supernatural. Others even deny His existence completely.

  4. Jesus Christ. The UUs deny the deity of Christ -- that He is not God and Savior, but only a good man and teacher. They claim that the apostles and other Christian writers added to the Scriptures the teachings concerning Christ's atonement for sin.

  5. Salvation. The UUs teach that the essence of salvation is character development ("deeds not creeds"), rather than faith in Jesus Christ alone -- the "social gospel" reigns supreme in UU. This belief allows every person to do whatever is right in his own eyes as long as he is sincere about it (including homosexual behavior -- UU became the first denomination to call for the legal recognition of same-sex marriages [Associated Press:6/25/96]; as early as 1970, UUs called for an end to discrimination against homosexuals and bisexuals, and in 1980, UUs resolved that homosexuals should be ordained.).

  6. Hell. The UUs hold the "universalist" belief that no one will be eternally condemned. They, therefore, deny the existence of hell, claiming it is unreasonable for a loving God to send people to a place of eternal torment. They believe that we suffer the consequences of sin in this life only.


41 posted on 07/27/2008 9:58:53 AM PDT by Zakeet (Be thankful we don't get all the government we pay for)
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What a terrible thing. Prayers!


43 posted on 07/27/2008 10:18:35 AM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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“A production of Annie” ??? is this a Christian Church?

But my prayers for the families and those wounded of course.

People who are licensed carry should be able to carry in Church.

This could have been stopped by a law abiding citizen.


57 posted on 07/27/2008 10:57:01 AM PDT by ColdSteelTalon
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