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Who is McCain's Base? (Vanity)
Vanity | 7/27/2008 | Wasted Potential

Posted on 07/27/2008 1:53:14 PM PDT by wastedpotential

I have been in sackloth and ashes ever since the end of the Republican primary season dwelling on the mess we find ourselves in. Conservatives have watched the Republican nomination process get hijacked from them while they were debating whether our candidate should be socially conservative (Huckabee) vs economically conservative (Romney). Now we have McCain, who has historically proven to be mediocre at best on both sets of issues. His only strength was his view on the Iraq war.

Now that we appear to have turned the corner in Iraq, the whole withdrawal argument may be moot. If things continue this way, McCain will be reducing troop levels and bringing the home if elected president. So what is his candidacy about? If the Iraq war is basically won before the election, what is it that will define his candidacy?

Here's another question - who is McCain's base? Who will work the phones? Who will go door to door during the 72 hour GOTV? Who will organize and fund the 527 groups that can take shots at Obama that he can't (or won't) take himself, ala the Swiftboat Vets? More simply asked - who is passionate about McCain's candidacy?

The answer, to me is, nobody. Sure, a lot of us conservatives and disaffected union democrats will vote for McCain as the lesser of 2 evils, but who will "turn out" the voters? Who will sacrifice time from work and money from their budgets to see that he gets elected?

If I am right, I think that President Barack Hussein Obama will be in office come January, killing our way of life with an overwhelming Democrat Congress. Does anyone have a better answer?


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1 posted on 07/27/2008 1:53:15 PM PDT by wastedpotential
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To: wastedpotential
I believe you are right. Look for the GOP to trot out all kinds of scare tactics about Obama (that is, if McCain will let them). They are going to HAVE to scare us into voting for McCain.

Although, I am pretty frightened about Obama without their having done that.

2 posted on 07/27/2008 1:56:34 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: wastedpotential
killing our way of life

If accepting the lesser of two evils is our way of life, so be it.
3 posted on 07/27/2008 1:56:45 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Voting conservative isn't for the faint of heart.)
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To: wastedpotential

President Barry HUSSEIN Obama has a nice cosmopolitan ring to it, does it not?

(makes me feel warm and fuzzy all over)


4 posted on 07/27/2008 1:58:49 PM PDT by madison10
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To: wastedpotential

Mexico.


5 posted on 07/27/2008 1:59:18 PM PDT by Enosh (†)
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To: wastedpotential

You are wrong. I am passinate about McCain’s candidacy. There are others. And if you quit the baby navel gazing and get one tenth passionate we might have a chance of winning.


6 posted on 07/27/2008 2:00:43 PM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: wastedpotential

That’s a good question.

The base could get passionate about McCain if he were to choose a conservative running mate.


7 posted on 07/27/2008 2:02:10 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If Islam conquers the world, the Earth will be at peace because the human race will be killed off.)
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To: Norman Bates

Don’t discount the millions of Americans that are passionately against the prospect of Obama as POTUS, and that includes many Dems (now Independents).

They are scared of BO. Just read the comments at the end of articles about BO.


8 posted on 07/27/2008 2:03:20 PM PDT by bethtopaz (Obama is for OBAMA. A selfless, civic minded thought would die of loneliness in his head.)
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To: wastedpotential

McCain’s base consists primarily of moderate Republicans and Vets.


9 posted on 07/27/2008 2:04:25 PM PDT by flyfree
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To: wastedpotential

I once vowed that I would never vote for McCain, but I am squirming out of that vow on a technicality. I will not be voting for McCain, but I will sure be voting against Obama -and that means putting an X by McCain’s name.

B.O. in the Oval Office and a big Dim majority in Congress means the destruction of this country as we have known it. I can see how we came to this mess, but I can’t understand how we were so stupid.


10 posted on 07/27/2008 2:04:27 PM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: wastedpotential

who is passionate about McCain’s candidacy?
_______________________________________

Dont look at me...

Not this kid....


11 posted on 07/27/2008 2:04:56 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Norman Bates

What is “baby navel gazing?”


12 posted on 07/27/2008 2:05:11 PM PDT by wastedpotential (McCain says I am an agent of intolerance, he's right - I can't tolerate liberal Republicans!)
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To: wastedpotential

McCain’s base is mostly those who hate the thought of having Obama as president.


13 posted on 07/27/2008 2:05:41 PM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: bethtopaz

“We Suck Less” is a weak platform, but that’s all the GOP is offering in ‘08.


14 posted on 07/27/2008 2:05:50 PM PDT by Enosh (†)
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To: raybbr

I am terrified of Obama’s candidacy. He is the most liberal, socialistic candidate of a major party during my lifetime. So is that the answer - McCain’s base is made up of those who despise Obama?


15 posted on 07/27/2008 2:06:40 PM PDT by wastedpotential (McCain says I am an agent of intolerance, he's right - I can't tolerate liberal Republicans!)
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To: Norman Bates; wastedpotential
You are wrong. I am passinate about McCain’s candidacy. There are others. And if you quit the baby navel gazing and get one tenth passionate we might have a chance of winning.

Have any luck turning anyone around with that type of obnoxious behavior?

I have another way that you and McCain can get committed conservatives to get energized is for McCain to actually change his positions on Amnesty, the Global Warming Scam, Embryonic Stem Cell Research, and his approach at using Big Government to solve all problems.

Shoot, I'd take 3 out of the 4 (the fourth being his Big Government Solution tendency).

If he wants us excited about him, he needs to represent us.
16 posted on 07/27/2008 2:06:43 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: flyfree

“McCain’s base consists primarily of moderate Republicans and Vets.”

Do you know any? I don’t.


17 posted on 07/27/2008 2:07:21 PM PDT by wastedpotential (McCain says I am an agent of intolerance, he's right - I can't tolerate liberal Republicans!)
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To: wastedpotential

I can’t disagree with a word that you’ve written. See tagline.


18 posted on 07/27/2008 2:07:49 PM PDT by lonevoice (John McCain was a Kinoki foot pad in the Reagan Revolution)
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To: bethtopaz

I agree, I am one of those passionately against Obama, but is that enough to form a “base” of support for McCain?


19 posted on 07/27/2008 2:08:17 PM PDT by wastedpotential (McCain says I am an agent of intolerance, he's right - I can't tolerate liberal Republicans!)
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To: wastedpotential

I believe Obama’s defeat will be due to the fact that among Obama supporters are huge numbers of mainstream, swing voters who do not have the cult-like worship of him, and that Obama’s support from these voters can only decrease between now and November.

This dropoff of voters from the Obama bandwagon is inevitable because of the following factors: Obama’s poor judgment about Iraq, his troop snub, Wright, Ayers, the “bitter clingers” comment, the huge question about islam, the huge question about support from terrorists and murderers, the arrogance of media support for Obama, and whatever else I haven’t mentioned or is yet to come.


20 posted on 07/27/2008 2:08:31 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Liberalism is service to the self disguised as service to others.)
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To: wastedpotential
President Barack Hussein Obama

Remember to rotate your Y2K stash.

21 posted on 07/27/2008 2:08:38 PM PDT by RightWhale (I will veto each and every beer)
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To: wastedpotential

His base should be anyone that doesn’t want obama to ruin the country like you said.

However, a lot of people aren’t concerned about that so much and just don’t care.


22 posted on 07/27/2008 2:08:54 PM PDT by MartinStyles
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To: wastedpotential

I still think Senator John McCain will win in a landslide this Fall: There are not enough blacks, college kids, latte liberals and far-left loons to get the job done for Senator Barack Obama.


23 posted on 07/27/2008 2:09:51 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (McCain could never convince me to vote for him. Only the Marxist Obama can!)
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To: bethtopaz

Yep. I’ve seen a few life-long, Republican-hating Dems turn staunchly against their party and Obama in this election cycle. I never thought I’d see them entertain the idea of voting not just 3rd party, but Republican, yet they are. Its given me a lot of hope that maybe, just maybe, the Silent Majority is going to jump up and bite the Dems in the azz this fall for trying to foist this diehard socialist crap on America.


24 posted on 07/27/2008 2:09:59 PM PDT by VOR78
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To: wastedpotential
McCain's Idea of Pandering To Conservatives


25 posted on 07/27/2008 2:10:05 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: wastedpotential
who is McCain's base?

(A)None of the above?

(B)I give up!

26 posted on 07/27/2008 2:10:17 PM PDT by lonestar
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To: raybbr
They are going to HAVE to scare us into voting for McCain.

Candidates that depend on you just voting against the other candidate lose. ie, John Kerry.

Apparently the RNC needs to learn this lesson.
27 posted on 07/27/2008 2:11:36 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: wastedpotential

I think the number of “conservatives” who are too cowardly or self-absorbed to vote for McCain is also diminishing significantly.


28 posted on 07/27/2008 2:12:01 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Liberalism is service to the self disguised as service to others.)
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To: wastedpotential
So is that the answer - McCain’s base is made up of those who despise Obama?

It would appear so. Sad, isn't it?

Although there are some who are passionate FOR McCain. Not necessarily conservatives but people that, for some unknown reason, think that McCain has a plan.

29 posted on 07/27/2008 2:12:15 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: reasonisfaith

Obama has “cult like worship” from a large group of the democratic base (albeit, not all). They will work for him and his candidacy tirelessly because they “believe” in him (why, I don’t know).

The religious right felt that way about Bush in 2000 and 2004, giving passionate support in dollars, hours and votes in both elections. Who feels that way about McCain?


30 posted on 07/27/2008 2:12:52 PM PDT by wastedpotential (McCain says I am an agent of intolerance, he's right - I can't tolerate liberal Republicans!)
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To: wastedpotential

Seems like there is no remedy for this. McCain got the most votes. My guy (and probably yours) endorsed him. We can’t do the primaries over, who knows if we can even make closed primaries in the currently open primary states, by 2012.

If it were up to me we’d have stricter voter qualification too, and the military and overseas votes would be more carefully handled.

But if Obama gets in, all that becomes less likely to be accomplished.

I fear we are at a backs-to-the-wall moment and if we don’t manage to avoid an Obama presidency, we won’t have a Constitution in 2012.


31 posted on 07/27/2008 2:12:54 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Only a Kennedy between us and tyranny.)
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To: wastedpotential

The Lame Stream Media is McLoser’s base.


32 posted on 07/27/2008 2:13:17 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (No mas Juan "Traitor Rat" McAmnesty)
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To: VOR78; bethtopaz; wastedpotential

Hillary Clinton Supporters For John McCain:
http://www.hcsfjm.com

Party Unity My A$$ PAC/People United Means Action PAC:
http://blog.pumapac.org

Democrats Against Obama/Nobama ever!
http://democrats-against-obama.org

Just Say No Deal:
http://justsaynodeal.com


33 posted on 07/27/2008 2:13:55 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (McCain could never convince me to vote for him. Only the Marxist Obama can!)
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To: raybbr

“I believe you are right. Look for the GOP to trot out all kinds of scare tactics about Obama “

That’s SOP for the GOP. In fact, IMO it’s the only way they know how to campaign.


34 posted on 07/27/2008 2:13:55 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Black dogs and bacon bombs.)
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To: wastedpotential

““McCain’s base consists primarily of moderate Republicans and Vets.””

And people who pull a straight republican ticket.


35 posted on 07/27/2008 2:15:39 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Black dogs and bacon bombs.)
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To: wastedpotential
My 2 cents.

Obama isn't going to win. Obama should have a huge lead right now. Think about how much the environment favors him: gas prices, economic struggles and housing problems, months of fawning press coverage, a disgruntled GOP base, etc. Also remember that Dukakis had a huge lead of Bush I in the summer.

With all of these things, Obama has a smallish lead, even with the temporary Euro bump. People don't like him and they don't trust him. That's death at the voting booth.

Now as for McCain - well as we all know, it isn't pretty for the base. Fear of Obama is his greatest asset. But he has the energy issue in his favor, which will have a huge effect on the election. He's also backed away from his cap and trade and climate change nonsense, and he's been making good noises about balanced budgets.

Also, now that he's polling so badly with hispanics it will be interesting to see if he changes his tune at all on border issues - not likely IMO.

36 posted on 07/27/2008 2:17:59 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: Clintonfatigued
The base could get passionate about McCain if he were to choose a conservative running mate.

Just this morning I heard McCain boasting about his bipartisanship and how well he works with Democrats to get things done.

He's not going to do right by us. The man who worked so hard to get CFR done, and to get "all God's children" amnesty, is not going to pick a conservative running mate.

37 posted on 07/27/2008 2:18:07 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Only a Kennedy between us and tyranny.)
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To: Enosh

“We Suck Less” - a very sad platform, but I believe a true one.


38 posted on 07/27/2008 2:18:55 PM PDT by wastedpotential (McCain says I am an agent of intolerance, he's right - I can't tolerate liberal Republicans!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yep. Its turning into a massive, organized movement in the Dem party against him.

If the reports are true that there are 2 million or more of those people affiliated with those sites (and undoubtedly many, many more that aren’t), and if they stay disciplined against him, I think Obama is going to be in deep, deep trouble when people go to the polls in November.


39 posted on 07/27/2008 2:20:15 PM PDT by VOR78
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So disaffected democrats form the energized base for McCain? That’s a stretch


40 posted on 07/27/2008 2:20:54 PM PDT by wastedpotential (McCain says I am an agent of intolerance, he's right - I can't tolerate liberal Republicans!)
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To: reasonisfaith

Susan Estrich had an article on Real Clear Politics yesterday htmland among the 400+ comments (and several others from Democrats), I found these:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/07/arrogance_wont_win_the_electio.

Baffled Democrat Wrote:


> I am a college professor, as far to the left as
> you can imagine and what Obama is doing begins to
> horrify me. If you watch any - any - documentary
> on Hitler, you bound to notice frightening and
> striking similarities between the raise of Hitler
> and Obama campaing — to say the least- : the lack
> of self-irony, huge deliberately staged rallies,
> fear of debates, unability to engage in rational
> criticsm, reliance on charisma and rhetoric,
> branding (logo, seal, etc), fainting women,
> religious iconography, tighly controlled
> messianistic self-image, hope/change/unity
> platitudes, bildungroman autobiography,
> indoctrinated youths followers, the use of new
> media in crafting and controlling the message,
> etc. Electing democrat is extremely importan to
> me, but it begins to dawn on me as well that
> democracy is not guaranteed and it might be better
> to put up with McCain for four years than have
> someone who uses Hitler’s spectacular strategies
> to manufacture power and gravitas.

I am not a history major but Europe before 1939 was my concentration in college. I agree with you completely. I am a tree hugging, non meat eating, pro gay and lesbian rights, etc etc and I find Obama and his cult of personality really really creepy!
And they attack, crazily attack any one who questions him as a racist, or a Republican or an hysterical female who can kiss her right to her own body goodbye.
I’m married to a black man and I’ve marched for abortion rights in DC. By what measure can I be called a racist? Or a republican? I don’t fear Black men...BARACK OBAMA is SIMPLY NOT QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT!


41 posted on 07/27/2008 2:21:07 PM PDT by bethtopaz (Obama is for OBAMA. A selfless, civic minded thought would die of loneliness in his head.)
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To: raybbr

I am sure that the people who instituted the rule that all bars and liquor stores must close on election day (I live in Oklahoma) never dreamed it would HURT a Republican!

Without being drunk, there is no way many of us can vote for him.

Wednesday after the election, I’ll have a hangover AND Barrack for a president.

Oldplayer


42 posted on 07/27/2008 2:21:25 PM PDT by oldplayer
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To: Norman Bates

Norman, I am with you.

I am a conservative republican and have been since the day I could vote (1983). The fact of the matter is, we don’t always get the candidate we want — but, we have an “electible” candidate and that is the current issue.

I am as guilty as the a lot of conservatives for “letting the other guy,” worry about the issues while I was off attending to my kids after school events, standing watch while I was still on active duty, and generally speaking “assuming” that I had nothing to worry about and conservatism would always be around. I just needed to show up at the polling place and cast my ballot for the “R.”

I believed that American’s, true American Conservatives, the ones that go to church on Sunday, say grace at the dinner table, own guns, are opposed to higher taxes and abortion would always be out there fighting the fight.

Well, in the short time on FR I have discovered that I had been lulled to sleep.

I’m awake now, I still support John McCain 100% because the thought of obama just scares the liv’n s#@# out of me, I have a son on active duty now.

So, for the future, who is being groomed, who is being vetted — do we ever want to wait until two years before the next election to start pushing an electible candidate forward — the key word here is electible.

The fact of the matter is, the republican party has allowed the media to make being a republican conservative a dirty word. That has to change.


43 posted on 07/27/2008 2:22:08 PM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.)
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To: Rebelbase

And economic conservatives.


44 posted on 07/27/2008 2:24:18 PM PDT by Son House ( Obama Did Not Earn Freedom, Does Not Appreciate Freedom, Will Not Protect Freedom.)
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To: wastedpotential
I disagree with you. I was a strong supporter of GW Bush, especially in 2004. I did not have a cult-like passion for him. I have a passion for my country and my freedom and the freedom of my fellow citizens.

We had been attacked on 9/11 and felt George Bush was the best leader to keep us safe in these perilous times. He has proven to do just that.

Those that blindly support Obama have no such foundation on which to base their support. They are taken with his ability to speak to large crowds and the fact that he would be our first Black president.

45 posted on 07/27/2008 2:24:43 PM PDT by bethtopaz (Obama is for OBAMA. A selfless, civic minded thought would die of loneliness in his head.)
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To: areukiddingme1

Well said, FRiend. You GET IT. Others aroung here just whine.


46 posted on 07/27/2008 2:28:15 PM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: wastedpotential

“If I am right, I think that President Barack Hussein Obama will be in office come January, killing our way of life with an overwhelming Democrat Congress. Does anyone have a better answer?”

What a colossal failure of imagination. Stop living in the moment. Our time is coming. Be patient. Stop whining.


47 posted on 07/27/2008 2:30:46 PM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: wastedpotential

McCains base? All 12 of them are Freepers and they will call you all kinds of nasty things if you dare say a negative word about their weak candidate.


48 posted on 07/27/2008 2:31:43 PM PDT by csmusaret (McCain and Obama represent the evil of two lessers.)
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To: Norman Bates
You are wrong. I am passionate about McCain’s candidacy. There are others. And if you quit the baby navel gazing and get one tenth passionate we might have a chance of winning.

I was passionate about Duncan Hunter's candidacy to the point of contributing significant amount of sums to his campaign and worked in my community to garner more support for him. The only thing McCain will get from me is my vote come November, and he can thank B.H Obama for that much.

49 posted on 07/27/2008 2:31:50 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr (Beware the coming of the Pax Obama!)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Ok so you are not passionate about McCain. Tell me you are at least considering voting for him.


50 posted on 07/27/2008 2:32:03 PM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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