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2nd person dies in TN church shooting
Necn ^ | 27 July 2008 | anon

Posted on 07/27/2008 7:16:35 PM PDT by BlackVeil

(NECN/ABC) - A second person has died as a result of the church shooting in Tennessee, 61-year-old Linda Kraeger, who passed away several hours later in a hospital.

At the time of the shooting, church members were watching a children's production of "Annie."

Eyewitnesses say one of those killed -- 60-year-old Greg McKendry -- jumped in front of the gunman's bullet to protect other parishioners.

Churchgoers quickly tackled the gunman and held him until police arrived.

There were about 200 people in the church at the time of the shooting.

The shooter, Jim D. Adkisson, is being charged with first degree murder and is held on $1 million bond.


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1 posted on 07/27/2008 7:16:35 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: BlackVeil

The church is about a half mile from my house. I drove by earlier this evening and saw 3-5 satellite trucks and a flurry of activity still going on.


2 posted on 07/27/2008 7:23:15 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

Thanks so much for the close up view. Our prayers are with your community, this is very sad.


3 posted on 07/27/2008 7:23:59 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: LuxMaker

ping


4 posted on 07/27/2008 7:24:24 PM PDT by null and void (Barack Obama - International Man of Mystery...)
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To: BlackVeil
"Eyewitnesses say one of those killed -- 60-year-old Greg McKendry -- jumped in front of the gunman's bullet to protect other parishioners."

Wow! This man has my respect. I hope there is some sort recognition (medal perhaps?) he can receive postumously -- maybe from the Governor or something like that.

5 posted on 07/27/2008 7:25:19 PM PDT by StormEye
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To: BlackVeil
gunman's bullet?

Prayers .

6 posted on 07/27/2008 7:25:59 PM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served,to keep us free)
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To: BlackVeil

“Churchgoers quickly tackled the gunman and held him until police arrived.”

Terribly sad event and my prayers for the community. Thank God for people who took action and prevented more harm.


7 posted on 07/27/2008 7:27:19 PM PDT by driftdiver (No More Obama - The corruption hasn’t changed despite all our hopes.)
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To: BlackVeil

Eyewitnesses say one of those killed — 60-year-old Greg McKendry — jumped in front of the gunman’s bullet to protect other parishioners.

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“Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.”
John 15:13


8 posted on 07/27/2008 7:28:18 PM PDT by Bishop_Malachi (Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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To: StormEye

He is a true hero. Apparently, he was at the church with his foster children, and protected them. His family can be very proud of him.

This lady also, must be sadly missed. An elderly lady killed while praying in church ... hard to believe.


9 posted on 07/27/2008 7:28:38 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: Tennessean4Bush

Sorry this has hit so close to home for you.

I am a few miles up I-75, in Campbell County, and will be watching the 11 p.m. local news for any updates.


10 posted on 07/27/2008 7:28:44 PM PDT by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

Just across the river in Oak Ridge here. We’ve had WBIR on pretty much since we heard about it.


11 posted on 07/27/2008 7:30:33 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob ("Those who "abjure" violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.")
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To: BlackVeil

Pray for their souls. The Unitarian church is lost. Their idea of a sermon this day was the children doing a portion of the play, “Annie”. What that has to do with our Lord and Savior, I have no idea.


12 posted on 07/27/2008 7:30:46 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Tennessee_Bob

Sad day, indeed. It is events like this that convince me that demonic possession is still with us despite our modernity and sophistication.


13 posted on 07/27/2008 7:34:40 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: BlackVeil

Jim Adkisson being arrested

14 posted on 07/27/2008 7:39:24 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Pray for their souls. The Unitarian church is lost.

When you pray for someone, always pray for their body and spirit, their soul. Pray with humility. Pray with sincerity. Pray without judgment. Pray for their loss. Pray that the God of all comfort will give them good friends and family to lean on during this time.

I have never understood the Unitarian church's beliefs. But, your comment about the church should be saved for another thread, in my humble opinion.

15 posted on 07/27/2008 7:41:25 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

“It is events like this that convince me that demonic possession is still with us despite our modernity and sophistication.”

It is events like this that convince me that demonic possession is still with us and hiding behind modernity and sophistication.


16 posted on 07/27/2008 7:43:13 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (If Hillary is elected, her legacy will be telling the American people: Better put some ice on that.)
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To: kcvl

Any news on why he shot those people for?


17 posted on 07/27/2008 7:45:09 PM PDT by Buddygirl (Jesus said, I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man comes to the Father except through Me.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

Knoxville News online has a quote from a witness saying “who could believe this would happen in Knoxville?” After that atrocity against those 2 kids in Jan. 2007 nothing would surprise me. I’d be afraid to even visit Knoxville now.


18 posted on 07/27/2008 7:46:39 PM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: Buddygirl

No, I haven’t found anything.


19 posted on 07/27/2008 7:48:31 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: TNCMAXQ
I’d be afraid to even visit Knoxville now.

Anyone ever mention to you that you might want to tone down the hyperbole? Just wondering...

20 posted on 07/27/2008 8:08:31 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: TNCMAXQ
"I’d be afraid to even visit Knoxville now."

C'mon Max... thats a bit much...

K town is a very safe place even if we do have our share of kooks, renegades and gang bangers...

We also have citizens who will stand up to them...

To all on the Tn boards....Prayers to the families of those who where taken away today...So sad

21 posted on 07/27/2008 8:09:02 PM PDT by pandemoniumreigns
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To: StormEye
When he got to hear, "well done my good and faithful servant" and was allowed to rest from the labors of this life - he got the sweetest reward anyone can be given.

I don't know this man, but his last act was one of selflessness. What better lesson to leave?

God rest his soul.

God save Knoxville, TN

22 posted on 07/27/2008 8:09:38 PM PDT by Volunteer (Just so you know, I am ashamed the Dixie Chicks make records in Nashville.)
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To: Buddygirl
Second church shooting victim dead

Same old story, the nice neighbor turned out to be a murderer.

23 posted on 07/27/2008 8:12:26 PM PDT by xJones
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To: BlackVeil

yes it is tragic. sad that we are getting laws to take guns away instead of arming our citizenry.


24 posted on 07/27/2008 8:14:17 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: TNCMAXQ

Knoxville sounds like a pretty decent place to me actually, if the people who live there are willing to jump in front of a man with a shotgun and tackle him to stop him from shooting people. There are crazies everywhere, it’s the behavior of the ordinary folks that make someplace a good place to live or visit or not. This community showed its true colors today and they were good ones. May the two victims rest in peace.


25 posted on 07/27/2008 8:31:56 PM PDT by CatherinePPP
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To: BlackVeil
Mr. McKendry is a hero.

Prayers for him and his family.

26 posted on 07/27/2008 8:44:48 PM PDT by mojito
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The Unitarian Church is not a Christian Church, and does not claim to be. If you want, you can accuse every Unitarian, Jewish, Islamic, Hindu, and Buddhist religious organization of not following Christian doctrine, and they will say “We don’t. Your point?”

Anyway, prayers for the fallen.


27 posted on 07/27/2008 8:45:56 PM PDT by Our man in washington
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To: CatherinePPP
Yes, I grew up in Oak Ridge TN and the people are friendlier there than in the big city of Colorado Springs, CO although since I have lived here in Colorado I have met a few friendly people. In Oak Ridge I could meet friendly person after friendly person. It seems to be something about Southern hospitality. Part of that friendliness is standing up in the face of danger for your fellow man.

John 15:13
There is no greater love than to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.

and on that note, God bless to you all.
28 posted on 07/27/2008 8:47:29 PM PDT by LuxMaker (The Constitution is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary, Thomas J 1819)
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To: Volunteer

My guess is the guy met the same fate as islamic terrorists.

He did die doing good(which is nice), but, if his choice of churches is any indication, he died without knowing Christ.

Death without Christ = eternal separation from God = Hell


29 posted on 07/27/2008 8:49:48 PM PDT by Tex Pete (Obama for Change: from our pockets, our piggy banks, and our couch cushions!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
ray for their souls. The Unitarian church is lost.

Did the shooting take place at that point in the Unitarian service where they handle critically endangered reptiles whose habitat has been plundered by Bush's cronies?

30 posted on 07/27/2008 9:36:39 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: Volunteer
I don't know this man, but his last act was one of selflessness. What better lesson to leave?

Totally correct.

31 posted on 07/27/2008 10:16:03 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: Buddygirl

Nothing official yet, but the News Sentinel is reporting that they found a “manifesto” in his car.

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/jul/28/church-shooting-police-find-manifesto-suspects-car/


32 posted on 07/28/2008 5:12:51 AM PDT by Tennessee_Bob ("Those who "abjure" violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.")
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To: Buddygirl

Apparently, he has some sort of beef with the liberal views of the Church.

It’s idiots like this who give us a bad name. Ballot box. Pen. Telephone. These are the weapons we use.


33 posted on 07/28/2008 8:56:19 AM PDT by CrAZyFreeper (Democracy, like a loaded gun, is not a toy; but it sure is fun to use.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush
Here's an outline of the Unitarian "church" beliefs, if wikipedia is at all accurate:

Unitarians

They don't believe that Jesus is God, as defined in John 1:1. Christians believe in the Deity of Christ.

Biblically speaking, the best prayer that can be said for these folks is that they repent of their sin and ask for the sacrifice of Jesus apply to their sin debt. Jesus is God, not just an example. The problem between them and God is their sin. And Jesus's sacrifice on the Cross is the answer to that problem.

I realize that's what I said is probably not the most "sensitive" or "caring" thing to say at a time like this but it's Scripturally accurate.

As long as I'm in Bible accuracy mode, it doesn't do any good to pray for the souls of the dead. It's in the here and now where we respond to God's gift of faith in Jesus or not. I'll supply Scripture on this if asked.

34 posted on 07/28/2008 9:22:05 AM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: Bosco
I realize that's what I said is probably not the most "sensitive" or "caring" thing to say at a time like this but it's Scripturally accurate.

There are a lot of things that are accurate to say at any given time. Knowing when the appropriate time to say or write them is, and how best to do so, takes the labored attention of love and genuine concern for the people and not the argument. If your daughter comes to you and asks "Daddy, am I ugly?" and she is not very attractive at all, do you think love is best served by saying "Why, yes, honey, you are ugly." You can take all kinds of cold comfort in the fact that you did not lie and were accurate, but you will have missed an opportunity to help your daughter build upon her inner beauty and any interest she will ever have in coming to you about her most deep-seated fears and concerns. You will have won the award for "Mr. Honesty," and lost the more important award for "Super-Dad."

If your comments are offensive or insensitive, the very people you are wanting to win to your argument could not care less about your accuracy. Your comments were, in my opinion, ham-handed and insensitive. No one (again, in my opinion) is attracted to your position due to this.

When Jesus was telling the apostles how people would know who were his true disciples, his refrain was, over and over again in the gospel of John, "they will know you by your love for one another." Is that how people know you on these kind of threads - ones about tragedy and horrible loss of life? Is that the reputation you have earned? Once you have earned that kind of trust with people, then you will know in your heart when the proper time to confront doctrinal (and important) disputes or errors. This thread is not the right one.

it doesn't do any good to pray for the souls of the dead.

I looked back at my post looking for even a hint of me suggesting you or anyone else do so and I cannot divine that in any of my posts. Perhaps I am overlooking something, or maybe you are confusing my post with another.

35 posted on 07/28/2008 9:55:07 AM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

I’m not sure that I need to apologize for anything I said. I posted what I did in order to clear up some questions about Unitarians that were appearing on the thread.

You make a good point about “they will know you by your love for one another.” But technically speaking, Unitarians aren’t Christians, which is the original point I made.

One component of Biblical love is telling the truth. And that’s what I did. It may seem harsh, but I’ll take care of that in a minute.

So, right, I’m not winning any “Super-Dad” warm-fuzzy-love points. I’m not “Super-Dad” in this situation because I don’t personally know any of the victims.

Let’s be honest here: unless I really missed something in your post on this thread, you have absolutely no connection to any of the victims in this tragedy, either.

If you have a personal connection to the tragedy, I offer my condolences to you and the families.

As a result, I can be dispassionate about the tragedy and have a fair amount of objectivity about it.

What I did was to inform the thread about Unitarianism. It isn’t Christian.

And being a Christian and aware of what God says about situations about like this, I said what I did. And I’d do it again. I’ll provide Bible references if asked.

Biblically speaking, the biggest tragedy here is that there is a group of 200 or so Unitarians that are uninformed, ignorant or worse as to the knowledge of true salvation from their sins. And that’s independent of the Christian-hating gunman.

You’re right - the prayer for the dead was in reference to another post on the thread. Sorry for the confusion.


36 posted on 07/28/2008 10:42:46 AM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: Tex Pete
My guess is the guy met the same fate as islamic terrorists.

He did die doing good(which is nice), but, if his choice of churches is any indication, he died without knowing Christ.

Death without Christ = eternal separation from God = Hell

"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."
-John 15:13

37 posted on 07/28/2008 10:47:46 AM PDT by onewhowatches
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To: Bosco

Good luck spreading the love, Bosco.


38 posted on 07/28/2008 1:14:34 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: onewhowatches

Greater love is great, but nowhere in the Bible does it say that is a ticket to Heaven.

“Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.” — John 14:6


39 posted on 07/28/2008 1:29:04 PM PDT by Tex Pete (Obama for Change: from our pockets, our piggy banks, and our couch cushions!)
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To: Bishop_Malachi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTByzluCtMo


40 posted on 07/28/2008 1:31:39 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E. That spells free. freerepublic.com baby)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
What that has to do with our Lord and Savior, I have no idea.

Absolutely nothing. Bingo.

Seriously, this is my brother's church, and I grive for him in more ways than one. This feels like the Devil's own Riechstag Fire. Demons drive this crackpot to attack an innocent but deluded n on-church, and you bet, this is somehow going to be blamed on the Christians. (My brother noted proudly that they had just made a big deal of putting up 'Gay Friendly' signs outside their church.)

41 posted on 07/28/2008 1:39:02 PM PDT by 50sDad (OBAMA: In your heart you know he's Wright.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush
Sad day, indeed. It is events like this that convince me that demonic possession is still with us despite our modernity and sophistication.

I have to disagree. That just absolves this guy of repsonsibility.

The sad truth is, we humans do not need anyone to control us and make us commit horrible acts.

42 posted on 07/28/2008 1:44:03 PM PDT by Citizen Blade ("Please... I go through everyone's trash." The Question)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

Thanks.


43 posted on 07/28/2008 5:08:19 PM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: Citizen Blade
The sad truth is, we humans do not need anyone to control us and make us commit horrible acts.

Exactly.

There's more than enough fuel for the moral fire - fallen mankind is involved in the same rebellion against God as Satan and his fallen angels (demons). Sometimes the evil one provides a spark, though.

Humans will spend eternity somewhere - either in God's presence or outside of God's presence with Satan and his followers.

44 posted on 07/28/2008 5:17:38 PM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

Just had a thought - did you have a problem with the content or was it the way/where it was presented?


45 posted on 07/28/2008 5:27:03 PM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: Citizen Blade
I have to disagree. That just absolves this guy of repsonsibility.

I don't think demonic possession absolves the possessed from responsibility. There is the subjugation of the will to the evil spirit.

Nevertheless, I think you may have a point and that is we cannot give in to describing this act as anything that shifts blame away from the perpetrator. When I use the term "demonic possession" it is very vague and conjures, most likely, many different meanings. Sorry for any confusion and I think your point is sharp and valid.

46 posted on 07/28/2008 6:37:40 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: 50sDad

My church is friendly to ANYONE who walks in the door; gay, straight, adulterer, thief, or politician. God (and my church) will take you just as you are, but he doesn’t want you to stay that way.


47 posted on 07/28/2008 6:50:37 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Tex Pete
Greater love is great, but nowhere in the Bible does it say that is a ticket to Heaven.

“Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.” — John 14:6

However, if there is no greater love than to lay down one's life for a friend, then it is at least equal to love of Christ. Combine those two and it appears that Christ may choose those who lay down their life for another.

Who knows what happens in that last split second of life?

48 posted on 07/28/2008 6:51:22 PM PDT by onewhowatches
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To: Bosco
did you have a problem with the content or was it the way/where it was presented?

I do have problems with their doctrine. I have problems with virtually all the doctrines of all the denominations of Christendom, for that matter. Nevertheless, the thread was one for expressing prayers and condolences for our neighbors, the ones we are supposed to love just like we love ourselves. I think your remarks were poorly chosen, and had precisely the opposite effect you might hope they would have on someone visiting the thread.

There are so many threads on this forum where people can let it rip and people, while they might be put off, are not so incredibly turned off by a comment like yours. I personally would not ever put it the way you would because I am too interested in winning people to my way of thinking and disinterested in galvanizing people into a defensive position.

But, it is a free country and free speech extends to these threads...

49 posted on 07/28/2008 6:53:23 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
God (and my church) will take you just as you are, but he doesn’t want you to stay that way.

I smell some C.S. Lewis in that comment.

50 posted on 07/28/2008 6:58:13 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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