Skip to comments.Neighbors: Accused shooter everyone's friend, questioned Christianity
Posted on 07/27/2008 8:19:51 PM PDT by LdSentinal
The man accused of a mass church shooting this morning was described by his Powell neighbors as a helpful and kind man, but one who had issues with Christianity.
Jim D. Adkisson, 58, has been charged with first-degree murder in the shooting at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church, which killed one and injured eight others.
He is being held on $1 million bond.
More details as they develop online and in Monday's News Sentinel.
"He had his own sense of belief about religion, that's the impression I got of him," said neighbor Karen Massey. "We were talking one day when my daughter graduated from Bible college, and I told him I was a Christian, then he almost turned angry.
"He seemed to get angry at that."
According to Massey, Adkisson talked frequently about his parents who "made him go to church all his life ... he was forced to do that."
Adkisson has lived by himself in the neighborhood for four or five years, Massey said. She's lived there seven years.
He told neighbors that he had worked in a factory and driven a truck, but they weren't sure if he was still employed.
He is an avid motorcyclist and rides his bike up and down the road.
He goes by the name, "David," according to the neighbors.
"He only socialized with a few people," Massey said.
"He was very nice ... he's kind of quiet," she said.
Melissa Coker, a next-door neighbor, also expressed shock that he would be accused of such a violent.
She related how he recently helped change a tire on her car in the driveway.
"He was a very nice guy, he said he used to be a truck driver, but in the past six months to a year, he wasn't driving any more," Coker said. "From my understanding, he was retired."
He lives in a white basement duplex, with garages facing the street.
The yard was neatly mowed, and a water hose was coiled up in the driveway in front of the duplex.
Neighbors said he was the guy who would always help them, no matter what.
No one ever saw him with any weapons of any kind, Massey said.
"He's never bothered anyone," Massey said.
So the U U church isnt’ Christian. Wonder why he chose that one.
He was nice. Quiet, but nice.
There was that devil worship thing goin’ on, and he was as crazy as a turd beetle, but...
He kept mostly to himself.
Obviously the MSM is unaware of that fact.
They are playing it up as the same old “Christianity warps people and turns them into violent nuts” fallacy.
Thanks for posting this. Some interesting commentary about the man.
I’m sure there are many questions as to how and why - it sounds like there is a lot of disbelief among those who know him. It will be interesting to hear in the next few days if the perp says anything, and what if any motive/justification he had going on in his mind...
Prayers for the victims, family and community. Prayers also for the man that did this, and his friends and family.
Well, the “church” he chose is merely a social club to talk about religion or other things. It is “pomp and circumstance” with absolutely no substance.
I don’t know a single person who professes Christ who attends that church. That’s probably because Satanists and Atheists are considered of equal importance to their association.
Honestly, I don’t think a lot of people are really aware of the beliefs held by UU’s. Especially those outside Christianity who may assume that it’s just another ‘flavor’ of mainline Christianity.
“He was very nice ... he’s kind of quiet,” she said.
But he did have this one little personality flaw.
“He was very nice ... he’s kind of quiet,” she said.
But he did have this one little personality flaw.
So...seems the accused killer is a Penn and Teller fan.
It wasn’t so good it needed to be posted twice, just a sticky key.
How many Unitarian Universalists does it take to change a light bulb? We choose not to make a statement either in favor of or against the need for a light bulb. However, if in your own journey you have found that a light bulb works for you, that is fine. You are invited to write a poem or compose a modern dance about your personal relationship to your light bulb and present it next month at our annual light bulb Sunday service. We explore a number or light bulb traditions including incandescent, fluorescent, three-way, long-life and tinted; all of which are equally valid paths to spiritual luminescence.
Unitarianism derived from Congregationalists, with its specific principle being rejection of the Trinity (thus Unitarian as opposed to Trinitarian). In the last century they have given up nearly all Christian beliefs, including resurrection. Universalism is, as they name implies, a sort of deism. Together they are sort of a Christian themed philosophical group.
I know one UU, and while many of them are NOT Christian (some even atheist), the man I know professes to believe in Christ, and considers himself a Christian (he was raised Catholic). From my understanding in discussions with him, they believe that all religions, and even some profound secular books/ideas/philosophies have value, and truth contained in them.
Here’s a brief overview from Beliefnet.com. Be aware that the UU church welcomes people of all faiths and belief systems, so while some may believe the things listed below, there are other members who may not.
Belief in Deity
Very diverse beliefs—Unitarian/Universalists welcome all deity beliefs as well as nontheistic beliefs. Some congregations are formed for those who share a common belief, e.g. Christianity.
Very diverse beliefs, including belief in no incarnations, or that all are the embodiment of God. Some believe Christ is God’s Son, or not Son but “Wayshower.”
Origin of Universe and Life
Diverse beliefs, but most believe in the Bible as symbolic and that natural processes account for origins.
Diverse beliefs, but most believe that heaven and hell are not places but are symbolic. Some believe heaven and hell are states of consciousness either in life or continuing after death; some believe in reincarnation; some believe that afterlife is nonexistent or not known or not important, as actions in life are all that matter.
Most do not believe that humanity inherited original sin from Adam and Eve or that Satan actually exists. Most believe that God is good and made people inherently good but also with free will and an imperfect nature that leads some to immoral behavior. Diverse beliefs. Some believe wrong is committed when people distance themselves from God. Some believe in karma, that what goes around comes around. Some believe wrongdoing is a matter of human nature, psychology, sociology, etc.
Some believe in salvation through faith in God and Jesus Christ, along with doing good works and doing no harm to others. Many believe all will be saved, as God is good and forgiving. Some believe in reincarnation and the necessity to eliminate personal greed or to learn all of lifes lessons before achieving enlightenment or salvation. For some, the concepts of salvation or enlightenment are irrelevant or disbelieved.
Diverse beliefs. Most Unitarians do not believe that Satan causes suffering. Some believe suffering is part of Gods plan, will, or design, even if we dont immediately understand it. Some dont believe in any spiritual reasons for suffering, and most take a humanistic approach to helping those in need.
The Unitarian Universalist Associations stance is to protect the personal right to choose abortion. Other contemporary views include working for equality for homosexuals, gender equality, a secular approach to divorce and remarriage, working to end poverty, promoting peace and nonviolence, and environmental protection.
Anyone can google.
U U are outside the realms of recognized Christianity.
They don’t even claim to be Christians.
“Unitarian Universalism is a liberal religion that encompasses many faith traditions. Unitarian Universalists include people who identify as Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Pagans, Atheists, Agnostics, Humanists, and others. As there is no official Unitarian Universalist creed, Unitarian Universalists are free to search for truth on many paths.
“To quote the Rev. Marta Flanagan, “We uphold the free search for truth. We will not be bound by a statement of belief. We do not ask anyone to subscribe to a creed. We say ours is a non-creedal religion. Ours is a free faith.”
“Although we uphold shared principles, individual Unitarian Universalists have varied beliefs about everything from scripture to rituals to God.
“There are seven principles which Unitarian Universalist congregations affirm and promote:
The inherent worth and dignity of every person;
Justice, equity and compassion in human relations;
Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations;
A free and responsible search for truth and meaning;
The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large;
***The goal of world community*** with peace, liberty, and justice for all;
Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.”
JMO I always percieved the Unitarian to be New Age.
Did you hear about the Unitarian bigot? He burned a question mark on someone’s lawn.
Oddly enough, Robert Welch, founder of the John Birch Society, was a Unitarian of the agnostic persuasion who believed that Christianity was waning away.
He's 58. His parents could not have made him go to church for the last 40 years.
The DUmmies are still swearing up and down the shooting occured because the the UU church is full of gays. UULBGTQ as it were.
How odd, I “thought” the JBS sprang up after a priest was killed by the ChiComs?
As for this guy, what can be said? He was so filled with hate of Christ that he went beserk in the one religious building where there was little chance that he would kill any Christians.
It’s a bit unusual for someone to become psychotic late in life.
Usually it happens in late adolescence or early adulthood.
While theologically probably not much better, there was a PCUSA church next door.
But count me in with the folks who are puzzled as to why an anti-Christian would go after the UU.
John Birch was a protestant minister killed in China by Mao’s men. He was considered the “first casualty” of the cold war, which is why his name was chosen. Most of the early members were christians, although Welch himself was an agnostic, and Revilo Oliver was a pagan (although later thrown out of the organization for extreme antisemitism).
Well, I guess every "church" has its community smut.He could have racked his pump on a RC church that had a pedaphilic history?
I get a kick out of how this thread on an accused murderer and his motive gets switched around to religio-one-upsmanship.
No one deserved to die in that church as they freely worshipped, no matter what their religion, even if it was full of Wiccans, Cruthnians or even Shiite Muslims.
The FBI is in on the investigation, because religious freedom is a federally protected right ( still) in this country. As a conservative I aim to uphold anyone's right to worship as they choose. The accused murderer apparently violated that right.
I am sure we will have some news on a motive soon.
But MY religion is superior to ALL of yours! ( sarc. off).
What a shiite-load of unadulterated B.S.
From what I've heard, they're HEAVY on the secular, and VERY light to none existent on the "religious".
In other words, they are a gaggle of left-wing nut cases and turds who pass themselves off as a "religion", and for what reason?
Perhaps for the tax exempt status required to have the extra money to perform such left-wing, un-American stunts as establishing local chapters of the ACLU, and demonstrating against the former "School of the Americas" run by our U.S. Army.
Okay, we won't store any missiles there.
Seems like you hear this everytime someone goes physco. Gee he was such a nice guy we had no idea.
Jim D. Adkisson
So his middle name isn’t “Wayne” nor “Lee”.
He missed the two biggies for this sort of thing.
As I understand it, if you kill a Christian, you are doing them a favor?
I was thinking the same thing. Why then did he choose that "church"? They aren't Christians.
Bet they made him brush his teeth too. I wonder if he got angry at every mention of good oral hygiene.
Just google it.
Boy, are you ever funny.
Good thing they caught him before he went and shot up his dentist.
Uh, no it doesn't. Except maybe for curious atheists, humanists, and agnostics.
Don’t they teach paragraphs in journalism school anymore?
I’d swear an 8th grader wrote this.
They were watching a play. I really don't know who or what they would worship. So maybe it should be, "No one deserved to die in that Unitarian community building as they freely gathered,"
Ummm... OK. I was merely posting what our LOCAL UU Congregation is like. The pastor of that particular congregation happens to be a former Christian pastor.
As you can see from the UU’s own website, there are a variety of congregations within the same “umbrella” term. Perhaps my local UU congregation is more “religious” minded than the average.
Are they liberals? Yes, definitely! (Perhaps a mixture of liberals and libertarians, from the little I know.) Would I personally feel comfortable attending services there? Definitely not.
However, I would definitely take the word of my friend over someone on the internet telling me what my friend and his community believes.
So, you are free to believe it’s a bunch of B.S. if you like - that doesn’t make you right, and it doesn’t make my friend, nor I a liar.
Actually, it DOES. I know one personally who self-identifies as a Christian, who professes a belief in Christ as his personal savior, and could quote scripture with the best of the “regular” Christians. (The pastor of our local UU Church is a former Christian pastor, so maybe that’s why it’s a bit different than the average UU Congregation?)
I’m not interested in defending the religion as a whole, nor the individuals within the religion... However, I find it very curious that people who do not belong to the denomination are so insistent on disagreeing with what those who DO belong are saying themselves (on their organization’s website, and at other websites, and what some of us have personally heard from members themselves).
It reminds me of liberals who accuse all Christians of being close-minded, racists, bigots, and such. Let’s not stoop to that level, shall we? We should be praying for these people no matter what they have chosen spiritually. Perhaps going through something like this might bring some of them around??? That’s what we should be praying for, and not sitting here posting things which malign the members. Especially in the light of the tragedy they suffered this morning. That is CHRIST’S commandment to us... To LOVE our neighbors (and our ‘enemies’).
Does anyone have a photo of the perp?? Maybe I missed it somewhere.
In America it dates to the late 1700s, but it does share some characteristics of New Age thought.
I think the gunman was trying to give them oneness with a bullet, after all , it wasnt the gunman’s fault,the gun’s fault or the bullets fault, it was just a vehicle for which they could obtain oneness with lol