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Tennessee man cites church's liberal values as reason for shooting (barf)
Guadian ^ | 7.28.08 | Daniel Nasaw

Posted on 07/28/2008 10:18:13 AM PDT by trumandogz

A man who shot and killed two parishioners during a children's play at a Tennessee church yesterday attacked the congregation because of its outspoken socially liberal and gay-friendly beliefs, police said.

The 58-year-old unemployed engineer accused in the Sunday morning attack at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church, was driven to bloodshed in part by his "stated hatred for the liberal movement" as well as his hatred for gays, said Knoxville, Tennessee, police chief Sterling Owen. "We're certainly investigating it as a hate crime."

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: churchshooting; culturewar; doublestandard; hatecrime; homosexualagenda; itsahardknocklife; jimadkisson; knoxville; shootingrampage; tennessee; unitarian

1 posted on 07/28/2008 10:18:14 AM PDT by trumandogz
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To: trumandogz

In this case, Liberals will have to alter their view and favor the Death Penalty in this case while Conservatives will remain consistent and favor the Death Penalty for this murdering POS thug.


2 posted on 07/28/2008 10:20:24 AM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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To: trumandogz
He's NO conservative... just a deluded lunatic sociopath. I don't recall the MSM targeting people with any other philosophy for outright character assassination!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

3 posted on 07/28/2008 10:20:50 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: trumandogz

I agree with posters 2 and 3. And why is it a barf? If the chief is telling the truth about the note (and no reason to believe he’s not, as of now), that’s the way it is, and this nut can’t be blamed on a leftist ideology. Nuts come in all flavors, and some of them are going to have loony ideas on all sides. Deal with it.


4 posted on 07/28/2008 10:23:50 AM PDT by BohDaThone
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To: trumandogz

Are liberals now a protected class or is it because these Unitarians are “gay-friendly” that this is a hate crime?

Being pc requires so much twisting and turning. If you’re a conservative, you can just say “execute murderers” and you’ve covered every contingency. This guy’s a murderer, period. Execute him.


5 posted on 07/28/2008 10:24:06 AM PDT by Argus (Obama: All turban and no goats.)
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To: trumandogz
The libs and the MSM have salivated for years over the prospect of angry, white, christian, conservative terrorism against their pet immorality and perverted views of religion.

They will attempt to play this up as such as much as possible a such when the truth is, this was simply a diluded. depressed individual who snapped and became a murderer.

It has nothing to do with conservatism or traditional values, despite the upcoming best efforts of the MSM to the contrary.

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6 posted on 07/28/2008 10:26:42 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: trumandogz

He also said he was mad that his well fare was about to be cut off.


7 posted on 07/28/2008 10:28:44 AM PDT by coffee260 (coffee)
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To: trumandogz

Wow.
He’s awfully committed for a man who will soon be having LOTS of homosexual “relations’.


8 posted on 07/28/2008 10:29:02 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: trumandogz
Although it makes sense that he hated liberals since that is what he attacked, I do not necessarily believe that story. I noticed the police chief did not quote the note just gave his interpretation of it.

I would love to see exactly what he said.

9 posted on 07/28/2008 10:29:47 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: trumandogz

Could be a liberal disguised as a conservative in order to give conservatives a bad rap.

Loonies!


10 posted on 07/28/2008 10:33:32 AM PDT by Ben Reyes
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To: SJSAMPLE

One can only hope!


11 posted on 07/28/2008 10:33:41 AM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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To: yarddog

Nothing proven, but it sure fits together as plausible. And it should be condemned as thoroughly here as some of us would like moderate Muslims to speak out against their terrorists and terrorist ideology.


12 posted on 07/28/2008 10:34:14 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Travis McGee

Just a matter of time before it’s an SKS used for something like this.


13 posted on 07/28/2008 10:36:24 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Black dogs and bacon bombs.)
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To: Argus
Are liberals now a protected class

Anyone standing in a churchyard, post office, workplace, school or anywhere in the USA is be a protected class and should not have to fear being shot by a POS Thug.

14 posted on 07/28/2008 10:37:07 AM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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To: trumandogz

This guy is no more a true constervative than Timothy McVey was. Conservatives don’t commit acts of terrorism. I won’t believe this until the killer’s actual letter is released. It could be the sheriff is a liberal himself and is saying these things to smear conservatives.


15 posted on 07/28/2008 10:37:07 AM PDT by FFranco
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To: trumandogz
Crazy is as crazy does.
16 posted on 07/28/2008 10:38:10 AM PDT by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: FFranco
It could be the sheriff is a liberal

As I understand it, Eastern Tennessee is just chalk full of Liberal Sheriffs.

17 posted on 07/28/2008 10:39:13 AM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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To: trumandogz

How is this a hate crime? It is an attrocity and a vengeful act, but the people he killed and aimed at weren’t homosexuals or members of a protected class. Christians in and of themselves are not protected by hate crimes legislation.

Painting 666 and inverting crosses and stealing baby Jesuses aren’t considered “hate crimes” when churches are vandalized.

His anger, from this excerpt, appears to have been with church leadership which taught acceptance and celebration of sinful activities. So it could be construed as a difference of opinion in religious doctrine.

If a Baptist speaks out (non-violently) against the Catholic Church, is he guilty of hate speech?


18 posted on 07/28/2008 10:40:56 AM PDT by weegee (Obama loves America like Bill loves Hillary.)
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To: trumandogz

Killing the innocent is always wrong.


19 posted on 07/28/2008 10:41:13 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Boycott Washington D.C. until they allow gun ownership)
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To: trumandogz

I don’t care what the guy hated, he took a gun into a peacful gathering and killed in a cowardly manner.


20 posted on 07/28/2008 10:41:39 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: BohDaThone

“...and this nut can’t be blamed on a leftist ideology. Nuts come in all flavors, and some of them are going to have loony ideas on all sides.”

Psst. Fred “God hate f**s” Phelps is a Democrat and no conservative.

Not claiming that this man is a Phelpist, just pointing out that there are Leftists (like Phelps’ cult who protest the Iraq war weekly) who hold hate in their heart that seems to be hand in hand with this man’s actions.

Additionally there are those social conservative Democrats who “cling to guns and religion” and vote against such ballot initiatives and liberal candidates “in spite of their own economic self-interest”.


21 posted on 07/28/2008 10:44:13 AM PDT by weegee (Obama loves America like Bill loves Hillary.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

According to his neighbors he was anti-Christian.

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/jul/27/neighbors-accused-shooter-everyones-friend-hated-c/

“He had his own sense of belief about religion, that’s the impression I got of him,” said neighbor Karen Massey. “We were talking one day when my daughter graduated from Bible college, and I told him I was a Christian, then he almost turned angry.

“He seemed to get angry at that.”

According to Massey, Adkisson talked frequently about his parents who “made him go to church all his life ... he was forced to do that.”


22 posted on 07/28/2008 10:45:28 AM PDT by passionfruit (When illegals become legal, even they won't do work American's won't do)
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To: Rebelbase

Unfortunate situation. This man was obviously at one time considered to have much potential. You don’t get into army airborne by being some kind of nut. Sounds like the story of many ex military, just went overboard instead of somewhat meshing with society. Their are many cases out there just like this waiting to explode, and it seems like this “churches” if that what you want to call it, message tipped him over the edge. These types of “churches” to me are using the word only for tax purposes, because they absolutely teach nothing like any of the churches I grew up around. Then again, maybe I’m a nut too. I guess I just need to get with it, and start embracing homosexuality, gay marriage, and killing little babies!!


23 posted on 07/28/2008 10:46:30 AM PDT by cla62
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To: FFranco

We were TOLD at the time that Charles Bishop/Bishra (the Tampa teen kamikaze pilot) was a “young conservative” although his suicide note called his actions “terrorist acts” and praised support for Bin Laden and made claims of having met members of Al Qaida and not joining and of an “upcoming” terror threat against the superbowl (his letter was released to the public months after his death and even after the superbowl had passed without event).

The media has sat on terrorist letters in the past. They’ve ginned up political leanings before.

Not denying that this man could be right wing loony, just saying we’ve been there before and been blamed for actions that later were proven to be from an altogether different bent WITH the paper trail in the officials hands WHILE they smeared with lies.


24 posted on 07/28/2008 10:48:18 AM PDT by weegee (Obama loves America like Bill loves Hillary.)
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To: trumandogz

So, basically, the guy was a nutcase, but I’m sure the MSM will try to portray ALL conservatives in an equal manner.


25 posted on 07/28/2008 10:50:08 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: passionfruit
"i>According to his neighbors he was anti-Christian.

Well, I guess we can't look for that aspect of his personality to be played up.

26 posted on 07/28/2008 10:52:39 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: cla62

The Left has been subverting churches for decades now.

Now they don’t even teach hate the sin but love the sinner. They teach the concept of an evolving bible where we now deny that some things even are sins and celebrate them instead.

I’ve left corrupt church leadership but have not left my faith. There are good churches out there, so I hear. But it requires investigation. Investigation too into any national church leadership they are members of.

I don’t know what can be done to put churches back on a biblical path. Elders and the like. Elections. What is the limtus test to get people in the organized church who are counter to the politics of those who’ve gained control of the church?


27 posted on 07/28/2008 10:52:51 AM PDT by weegee (Obama loves America like Bill loves Hillary.)
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To: cla62
These types of “churches” to me are using the word only for tax purposes, because they absolutely teach nothing like any of the churches I grew up around.

That is the exact reason why no church, mosque or synagogue should have tax exempt status.

28 posted on 07/28/2008 10:54:50 AM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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To: trumandogz

The libs appease Islamic terrorists when they kill innocents. I wonder if this church will therefore appease those who share this freak’s views?


29 posted on 07/28/2008 10:54:53 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: trumandogz
He had apparently been out of work since 2006, and believed liberals were taking jobs he should have, Owen said. Investigators are not aware of any affiliation with a church or with any known hate groups. Adkisson had no next of kin or family, police said.

Sad, pathetic little man with a mental illness, and no one to turn to.

(Still, I would seek the death penalty...)

30 posted on 07/28/2008 10:55:41 AM PDT by LRS (I want an oil glut!)
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To: cla62

These types of “churches” to me are using the word only for tax purposes.


Probably true. If Dianetics can be a church, than nearly anything can be a church. I would be interested if anyone knows how the IRS defines a religion for the purpose of being a tax exempt church.

When I studied it many years ago, the definition for a religion we used did not require belief in G-d. For anyone who might be interested, here is the definition of religion we used:

A philosophy of life, practiced by a community, defined in myth and ritual.


31 posted on 07/28/2008 10:58:10 AM PDT by FFranco
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To: trumandogz

UGH, this stupid psycho... it wasn’t bad enough he had to kill people at a children’s play in a church, but now he’s tarring conservatives with his crimes. Go away please... no one EVER needs ‘conservatives’ like that! I don’t care what he thought he was accomplishing, firing a shotgun in the direction of innocent children is pure evil, and no one’s fault but his own.


32 posted on 07/28/2008 10:58:29 AM PDT by CatherinePPP
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To: trumandogz

I believe in capital punishment for murder. I don’t believe there should be a separate category called “hate crime” that makes some people’s lives worth more than others. I object to that whole concept.


33 posted on 07/28/2008 11:00:27 AM PDT by Argus (Obama: All turban and no goats.)
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To: Ben Reyes
Could be a liberal disguised as a conservative in order to give conservatives a bad rap.

See Phred Phelps Phamily.
34 posted on 07/28/2008 11:09:42 AM PDT by Sig Sauer P220
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To: Ben Reyes

Could be a liberal disguised as a conservative in order to give conservatives a bad rap.


That’s a theory that could be plausible. Maybe he’s really a liberal and wanted to end his life and make conservatives look bad. That would explain why someone who hates religion would attack a liberal church.


35 posted on 07/28/2008 11:13:43 AM PDT by FFranco
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To: weegee
Ironically the authorities in Knoxville aren't going to prosecute the four blacks that went out and abducted a couple of UT students, raped them, tortured them and then murdered them because they were white. This incident makes national news yet the previous murders went barely noticed except for a couple of articles in the MSM...I guess if one expresses hatred for homosexuals it makes national news, gets the FBI involved and if one just hates whitey its ok...no big deal.
36 posted on 07/28/2008 11:25:52 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: trumandogz

I was in one of their churches recently for a retirement party and yes, they are quite leftist. But that in no way excuses what this homicidal maniac did. And if he is given the death penalty, no doubt the congregation will be protesting and condemning the sentence. They tend to be very pacifistic sheep.


37 posted on 07/28/2008 11:33:34 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: Ben Reyes
Could be a liberal disguised as a conservative in order to give conservatives a bad rap.

At least it should be fun when he uses his murder trial to present his Conservative Manifesto.

38 posted on 07/28/2008 11:34:33 AM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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police chief Sterling Owen. "We're certainly investigating it as a hate crime."

Not a good match. Terrorism is much closer.

39 posted on 07/28/2008 11:39:58 AM PDT by RightWhale (I will veto each and every beer)
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To: RightWhale

Yes, the shooter is a terrorist.


40 posted on 07/28/2008 11:52:06 AM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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To: FFranco
For anyone who might be interested, here is the definition of religion we used:

A philosophy of life, practiced by a community, defined in myth and ritual.

"If we are honest—and as scientists honesty is our precise duty—we cannot help but admit that any religion is a pack of false statements, deprived of any real foundation. ..." - Paul Dirac

41 posted on 07/28/2008 11:55:57 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: trumandogz

In reviewing the posts I see an interesting difference between “liberal” and “conservative” political killers.

Conservatives distance themselves from the murderers who cite conservative polical purposes for killing and cry out for justice regardless of stated politcal purposes(this wacko, McVey, etc).

Liberals point out how oppressed the leftist killer is, how he or she needs understanding and that society was truely responsible for driving him or her to it or allowing a gun to exist that could do such damage. Later, they declare the killer rehabilitated and give him or her a professorship at a major university.

A bit simplistic perhaps, but truer than any liberal would like to admit. Also, let no one misconstrue my sarcasm with a lack of understanding for the victims of this wack job. It was an evil act upon innocent souls and deserves strict temporal justice. May they rest in the peace of God.


42 posted on 07/28/2008 12:31:29 PM PDT by Dogrobber
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To: wideminded

If they are honest, and scientists are no more so than anyone else, they would admit they don’t have the foggiest notion of what is true or not about religion.


43 posted on 07/28/2008 1:16:22 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: trumandogz
I read in another article that he didn't like Christians either. Dad made him go to church when he was a kid, or something like that.

Course that hasn't been blasted as a headline over the MSM.

44 posted on 07/28/2008 1:47:03 PM PDT by 3catsanadog (Drill here, drill now!!!!!)
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To: trumandogz

I heard this interview with Greg Knapp with someone who was in the church....crazy stuff

http://feeds.radioamerica.org/rd-bin/rdfeed.xml?GKE


45 posted on 07/28/2008 2:28:29 PM PDT by badgerfan1976
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To: trumandogz
Yes, the shooter is a terrorist.

The shooter is a murderer. Why the need for any other description?

46 posted on 07/28/2008 2:31:12 PM PDT by don-o (Have you donated to FR? If not, why not?)
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To: FFranco
According to this:

http://apnews.myway.com//article/20080729/D927CQKG0.html

that was his ex-wife's church. Liberal or not, I'm sure that's relevant.

47 posted on 07/29/2008 3:14:09 AM PDT by Salman
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To: trumandogz
In this case, Liberals will have to alter their view and favor the Death Penalty in this case while Conservatives will remain consistent and favor the Death Penalty for this murdering POS thug.

I'm pretty sure no anti- death penalty liberals are going to change their minds because of this.
48 posted on 07/29/2008 5:03:59 AM PDT by Syllojism
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