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Congress sends Bush legislation tripling funds for fighting AIDS around the world (WHAT A SHAM!)
The Associated Press via IHT ^ | July 24, 2008

Posted on 07/28/2008 3:00:19 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

tripling funds for fighting AIDS around the world

The Associated Press

July 24, 2008

WASHINGTON: The House of Representatives voted Thursday to triple money to fight AIDS, malaria and tuberculosis around the world, giving new life and new punch to a program credited with saving or prolonging millions of lives in Africa alone.

The 303-115 vote sends the global AIDS bill to President George W. Bush for his signature. Bush, who floated the idea of a campaign against AIDS in his 2003 State of the Union speech, supports the five-year, $48 billion plan.

Passage of the bill culminated a rare instance of cooperation between the White House and the Democratic-controlled Congress. It was "born out of a willingness to work together and put the United States on the right side of history when it comes to this global pandemic," said Democratic Rep. Barbara Lee, a leader on the issue...

(Excerpt) Read more at iht.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aids; aidsscam; aidsscandal; barackobama; bush; congress; foreignaid; homosexualagenda; homsexualagenda; junkscience; mccain; nobama08; obama; obamafile; obamatruthfile; prolife
If you would like to be added to the RETHINKING AIDS PING LIST DROP ME A FREEPMAIL.

AIDS is the biggest public health scam in medical history. Like global warming, AIDS is being used to push a powerful leftist political agenda. For over two decades the Public Health Establishment has used your tax dollars and the full power of the federal government to wage a massive propoganda (and intimidation) campaign designed to (A) dupe the American public into believing that HIV is the cause of AIDS (B) scare the public into thinking "we are all at risk" (C) coverup the extreme toxicity of AIDS chemotherapy drugs (which are not just used on "fast-track" gays and junkies, but also given to pregnant mothers, enfants, and other children of all ages) (D) use this fear to push a leftist social agenda that includes socialized medicine, and the promotion of homosexuality and explicit sex "education" to tender-aged school children (E) use their "public health mandate" to bypass the authority of parents and local school boards who object to their social engineering schemes (F) create a massive federal bureaucracy encouraging the use of addictive drugs, to include prescription heroine (G) use threats and intimidation to silence dissenting scientists and to keep the press from covering the debate (H) and finally, to use AIDS as a model to push similar social agendas with respect to future epidemics.

Every single point above can be documented on my profile page.

1 posted on 07/28/2008 3:00:20 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

So what if the deficit is 490 billion? Lets shoot for a trillion a year!


2 posted on 07/28/2008 3:01:35 PM PDT by Crazieman (Vote Juan McAmnesty in 2008! Because freedom abroad is more important than freedom at home!)
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To: Stentor; Marty; Fractal Trader; DaveLoneRanger; metmom; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; John Valentine; ...
Also see Accuracy in Media's Obama’s $50 Billion AIDS Bill Up for Vote. One of the links on the article led me to the following:


3 posted on 07/28/2008 3:04:34 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Crazieman

I think it’s A-OK to want to fight AIDS, malaria, and tuberculosis around the world, but why does the total cost always fall upon the American taxpayer?

How much money is China kicking in? Saudi Arabia? France? Germany? Japan? Switzerland? The United Arab Emirates? Venezuela? Korea? Do I hear the sound of crickets?


4 posted on 07/28/2008 3:07:31 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Four members of the U.S. Supreme Court don't understand the words "shall not be infringed.")
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To: Crazieman

We’re WAY past a trillion a year.

What with stealing from the various “trust funds” in the US Treasury, sale of Treasury bonds to foreign governments (to settle our trade deficit) and expanding the authorized debt ceiling to nearly $10 trillion in the dead of night, our built-in future obligations are fast approaching our national net worth, public AND private.

And who is there to bail out the US Treasury? There is no consortium that big in the Universe.


5 posted on 07/28/2008 3:09:01 PM PDT by alloysteel (Are Democrats truly "better angels"? They are lousy stewards for America.)
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To: GodGunsGuts; All
While it is right and good to question the portion of funding for AIDS (medication for those with AIDS) and HIV research, compared to the funding for alleviating or preventing other diseases, and it is also right and good to question why other nations are publicly permitted to NOT share in such funding, in international HIV/AIDS programs, in equal measure to their GDP’s, without major public rebuke,

it is scientifically ignorant to proclaim that the HIV virus does not instigate the cause of AIDS,

just as it is morally and socially ignorant to fail to admit that promiscuous sex is the primary means with which the HIV virus has not died out in the population, and without which it would have died out by now.

6 posted on 07/28/2008 3:23:03 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: GodGunsGuts

Just another Dimocrat excuse to spend money; they don’t seem to care what it’s for.


7 posted on 07/28/2008 3:23:58 PM PDT by Redbob ("WWJBD" ="What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: Wuli
"...it is morally and socially ignorant to fail to admit that promiscuous HOMOSEXUAL sex is the primary means with which the HIV virus has not died out in the population..."

There.
Added the key word that you left out.

8 posted on 07/28/2008 3:28:51 PM PDT by Redbob ("WWJBD" ="What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: Wuli

==it is scientifically ignorant to proclaim that the HIV virus does not instigate the cause of AIDS

I beg to differ. You might want to check the links and videos on my profile page before rushing to judgement. All the best—GGG


9 posted on 07/28/2008 3:35:04 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Ah so we are funding to help fight against malaria? Why not lots of funding for the relocation of DDT over to there? Oh, that isn’t PC because of Silent Spring and hippies like Joni Mitchell? Too bad. Perhaps those in Africa do not care about leaving the birds and the bees be.


10 posted on 07/28/2008 3:37:58 PM PDT by Merta (Who is the only parental unit that California Democrats wish preserved? The Aunt(Aunt War=ANWR))
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To: Redbob
Again, check the links on my profile page. There is a growing body scientists and medical doctors who all challenge the HIV/AIDS hypothesis, but have been prevented from the getting the word out to the general public for POLITICAL REASONS. This is most definitely a conservative issue, and the AIDS establishment should be held accountable for their perfidy.
11 posted on 07/28/2008 3:39:48 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Science is being completely driven by politics.


12 posted on 07/28/2008 3:40:20 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Barack Obama--the first black Jimmy Carter.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
You hit the nail on the head. This is what happens when government grows to big in any field of human endeavor. First came the POLITICS of AIDS, and now we are fighting the POLITICS of (human-caused) GLOBAL WARMING. Science has nothing to do with it (except in the case of the scientists who are exposing each for the sham that they are). Hope you will check my profile page for more. Just put up the first part of it today. All the best—GGG
13 posted on 07/28/2008 3:44:00 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Merta

Again, right on. As with the real cause of AIDS, or the real cause of Global Warming, DDT was taken off the table based on left-wing politics, not science.


14 posted on 07/28/2008 3:49:38 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Thanks, and for the record, I've read quite a bit of the material put out by Duesberg and others regarding the HIV hypothesis. I can't pretend to a complete grasp of the science involved, just as I can't pretend to a complete grasp of everything underpinning either side of the global warming debate. But I think I am capable of assimilating the basic arguments of both sides, and Duesberg comes across as very credible. He was and is a brilliant scientist in his own right who had absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose by fighting the establishment, as opposed to some of your alarmists whose credentials and income are based totally on their pet theories, and whose arguments are almost purely emotive in nature.

One thing's for sure: if tomorrow I were told I had HIV, I'd stay as far away from the medical profession as I possibly could.

15 posted on 07/28/2008 3:55:08 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Barack Obama--the first black Jimmy Carter.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

I have 2 tings to say:

1: we need to spend OUR money fighting disease in OUR country.
2: We need to spend less on fighting AIDS as it is a disease you can for the most part opt out of getting by not using intravenous drugs, by having a monogamous relationship and by not letting men place their penis into your anus.

More of that money should go to cancer research.


16 posted on 07/28/2008 3:57:22 PM PDT by Liberty 275 (Do. Not. Want. Barack. Obama.)
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To: Liberty 275
You might want to check out the following on my profile page:

If you would like to be added to the RETHINKING AIDS PING LIST drop me a FReepmail.

AIDS is the biggest public health scam in medical history. Like global warming, AIDS is being used to push a powerful leftist political agenda. For over two decades the Public Health Establishment has used your tax dollars and the full power of the federal government to wage a massive propoganda (and intimidation) campaign designed to (A) dupe the American public into believing that HIV is the cause of AIDS (B) scare the public into thinking "we are all at risk" (C) coverup the extreme toxicity of AIDS chemotherapy drugs (which are not just used on "fast-track" gays and junkies, but also given to pregnant mothers, enfants, and other children of all ages) (D) use this fear to push a leftist social agenda that includes socialized medicine, and the promotion of homosexuality and explicit sex "education" to tender-aged school children (E) use their "public health mandate" to bypass the authority of parents and local school boards who object to their social engineering schemes (F) create a massive federal bureaucracy encouraging the use of addictive drugs, to include prescription heroine (G) use threats and intimidation to silence dissenting scientists and to keep the press from covering the debate (H) and finally, to use AIDS as a model to push similar social agendas with respect to future epidemics.

Every single point above can be documented on my profile page.


17 posted on 07/28/2008 4:05:20 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

==One thing’s for sure: if tomorrow I were told I had HIV, I’d stay as far away from the medical profession as I possibly could.

Amen to that! You seem to have done a good deal of research on the topic. Still, you might want to take a look at some of the links I posted on my profile page. I’m not nearly finished constructing the page, but everything I have put up so far is explained in laymen’s terms. There are also some excellent videos linked there as well.

All the best—GGG


18 posted on 07/28/2008 4:09:22 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

AIDS is big money for the drug pushers, and they rule the world.


19 posted on 07/28/2008 4:28:04 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American History)
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To: editor-surveyor

I wouldn’t say they rule the world. They rule their sphere of influence...and combined with government funded mega-science, they rule the vast majority of scientists (and the MDs that follow their lead).


20 posted on 07/28/2008 4:31:41 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
"Science is being completely driven by politics."

"Science" is just a name that is attached to really expensive, and deceptive politics. We have no science left.

21 posted on 07/28/2008 4:31:41 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American History)
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To: GodGunsGuts
"I wouldn’t say they rule the world."

When they can put deceptive commercials on TV to sell worthless and deadly drugs to the ignorant public; have laws passed that literally require doctors to prescribe deadly poison as therapy; put a baby killing drug on the market, and get the government to fund its use; put an "anti papiloma" vaccine on the market that has a death rate that is more than ten times the death rate of the cancer that it purports to prevent, and have state legislatures make that killer mandatory for all little girls, and who knows what else, I'd definately saay that they rule the world.

22 posted on 07/28/2008 4:41:15 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American History)
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To: editor-surveyor

All excellent points (really!)...but that does not add up to ruling the world. If they ruled the world, I wouldn’t be allowed to send you this message.


23 posted on 07/28/2008 5:05:01 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Liberty 275

Well, I’m not a real smart man — but I damn sure understand that.


24 posted on 07/28/2008 5:05:46 PM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.)
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To: areukiddingme1
Thanks for the insight, Forrest :o) PS AIDS truly is something you can opt out of if you live in the First World. But if AIDS is not caused by HIV, then you would be opting out of is something OTHER than what is commonly understood to transmit HIV. For more, see my profile page.
25 posted on 07/28/2008 5:14:16 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

You may not be for long. ;o)


26 posted on 07/28/2008 5:14:26 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American History)
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To: editor-surveyor

In the meantime, let’s use every opportunity to give them the bird!


27 posted on 07/28/2008 5:21:31 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

“You might want to check the links and videos on my profile page before rushing to judgement. All the best—GGG”

The Channel 4 video Entitled The AIDS Catch, seems to be at least ten years old or uses ten year old info. One can easily ask if the scientists it interviews have not obtained a different view since then. It also would make the argument more credible if the views of its critics, among scientists, were presented as well. One side of an argument does not a discussion make. If my memory serves me correct, I believe that some of the “AIDS” scientists have always proposed that “AIDS” patients die of diseases that were obtained by the patient due to an HIV-compromised immune system - not that HIV “caused” those diseases, directly. Such a view does not require that those diseases cannot be acquired due to other compromises of the immune system as well, only that a greater than otherwise expected rate of such infections and their related diseases seem to obtain among the HIV infected.

The second Channel 4 video also seems to be very out of date.

One of the points made in both videos, as “proof” against the HIV-equals-AIDS theory is that some predictions of the degree of the spread of the HIV infection and of AIDS have not been borne out over time. It is clear, in many venues in the west as well as in Africa (as in Uganda for instance) that public-education-induced changes in the behaviors of persons in various “high risk groups” can easily account for why infection and disease rates are lower at this time than they were once predicted to become. That is not an “error” bearing on any scientific understanding of AIDS or HIV.

Many of the “ proofs” make some form of the argument that the scientific understanding or prediction of the average amount of time “from HIV to full blown AIDS” has changed as if it is a good “proof” that the underlying science is in error. If that were true then for all diseases it would be an error to believe that the science in understanding and treating of any diseases must be stagnant over time or that science is in error. Good thing humanity has not taken that position or much progress on many diseases would never have occurred.

Far more than anything even near relevance is made of AZT, its toxicity and the drug companies’ relationships to it and profits from it. But AZT is very old news, developed in the infancy of AIDS research and NOT among the major antiviral drug cocktails that dominate HIV/AIDS “treatment” today - adding to the perception that many of the “arguments” and their “evidence” are NOT based on current understandings and conditions.

Another argument is just dumb. It says that if drug companies are making a profit then that profit, and not any science, MUST be behind the public policy support of the use of that drug. You might as well cancel 100% of the cancer drugs if that’s your argument.

While the “Semmelweis Investigation” offers a well documented case AGAINST scientific orthodoxy and in particular those in the HIV research community who use it against those with other “unorthodox” points of view, their self-interest, financial and otherwise provide the best cause for their actions, but it does not PROVE their science is wrong.

While I too would prefer to see Professor Duesberg NOT kept out of AIDS related research and funding to it, that support is not derived from a belief that he has won the theoretical argument. To the extent that he is right, his additional work would substantiate a “proof” of it. To the extent that he is wrong, his additional work would draw out more robust “proof” of current theories. All to the good.

Additionally, the “Semmelweiz” report itself admits that it does not present that proof. What it does present is a documented case on the unfair treatment Professor Duesberg has received as well as a demonstrated bias, by the investigator, against drug companies. Also, the concern, in that report, over the toxicity of “AIDS” drugs provides no more argument against any AIDS theory than does the toxicity of tons of cancer drugs make against cancer theories. All kinds of medicines tax the human body in ways that can seem hazardous either briefly or in the long run. It does not invalidate the science behind them nor, in the absence of other treatments does it make their use a purely for profit venture.

The investigation makes more than is pertinent from some statistics from a “five year review” by a doctor, Ronald B Reisler. (1996-2001) with about 3000 HIV/AIDS patients who took the anti-retroviral cocktails (does not say which ones). It seems to make allot of the fact that 22% of the 3000 patients in the study suffered from some degree (not said how much or for how long) of a “Grade 4 Event”, such as liver or kidney problems, white blood cell loss, anemia, cardiovascular problem, psychiatric disorder, Thrombocytopenia or hemorrhage against only half as many, 11%, who suffered an “AIDS” event. That way of reporting tries to say that the drug was worse than the disease. But, that view is in error and 180 degrees from the rest of the statistics, which would be that 66% of those in the study (taking the cocktails) had neither an AIDS event or a “Grade 4” event, and without any evidence of either other causes for the “Grade 4” events (just an assumption that they were “side effects”) or the actual long term conditions following those events, one can deduce that from 66% (100 - 33) to 89% (100 - 11) of the 3000 in the study may have received some long term benefit from the drugs. I don’t know how that ranks in the area of the use of toxic drugs in general, but I would imagine it does not rate unfavorably against many cancer drugs. And what does it “prove” about HIV and AIDS theories? Nothing.

Lastly, if you want to use LewRockwell as a reliable source for your argument then get use to the idea of people wondering if you wear a tin-foil hat.


28 posted on 07/28/2008 6:07:28 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli
==The Channel 4 video Entitled The AIDS Catch, seems to be at least ten years old or uses ten year old info.

The basic argument is the same. And besides, I stated from the outset that it was one of the FIRST documentaries covering the other side of the AIDS debate. Did you take a look at the other videos? Each one in their turn takes you right up to the present.

==It also would make the argument more credible if the views of its critics, among scientists, were presented as well.

Seeing how the other side has had a monopoly on this issue, it was enough to present the basic case of top scientists who challenge the HIV/AIDS hypothesis. Otherwise, the video would have to be either too long to air, or be so anemic that the case never gets made at all. And besides, the video did a good job of outlining what AIDS Rethinker scientists were responding to.

==It is clear, in many venues in the west as well as in Africa (as in Uganda for instance) that public-education-induced changes in the behaviors of persons in various “high risk groups” can easily account for why infection and disease rates are lower at this time than they were once predicted to become.

Care to back that up with HARD SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE?

==But AZT is very old news, developed in the infancy of AIDS research and NOT among the major antiviral drug cocktails that dominate HIV/AIDS “treatment” today

AZT is still used today, and similar arguments apply to other AIDS CHEMOTHERAPY drugs. Again, I am trying to give FReepers a sense of the chronology. And as far as AZT goes, to this day Burroughs Wellcome has still not been held accountable for the tens of thousands of deaths (to include women and children) directly attributable to their cytotoxic AIDS chemotherapy drug. Same goes for the other AIDS chemo drugs.

==Lastly, if you want to use LewRockwell as a reliable source for your argument then get use to the idea of people wondering if you wear a tin-foil hat.

The article was written by a respected professor of medicine at the University of Washington. If you have a problem with LewRockwell.com, then by all means scratch that article off your mental list.

29 posted on 07/28/2008 7:16:16 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Wuli

PS I don’t recall all the AIDS establishment articles and videos giving equal time to AIDS Rethinker scientists. If they did, this wouldn’t even be an issue today.


30 posted on 07/28/2008 7:19:59 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Drawing lines between dots does not prove that the lines exist in any objective sense.

You, as well as Dr. Duesberg (and some of the others quoted), present questions about a theory and complaints about treatments and medicines, but neither the questions or the complaints provide a proof that the generally accepted theory of HIV-AIDS is in error - only an argument for investigation.

Science should not be held to any scientific orthodoxy, but that good argument does not validate Dr. Duesberg’s argument - it only admits he should be free to pursue it and not kept from doing so.

Barring that event, the current generally accepted theory is as legitimate as any other and the medical profession would be remiss if it simply dismissed it. Meanwhile, I, and most people are not convinced they should.


31 posted on 07/28/2008 7:36:30 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli

==Meanwhile, I, and most people are not convinced they should.

I’m not looking for most people.

http://www.fee.org/publications/the-freeman/article.asp?aid=3582


32 posted on 07/28/2008 7:53:23 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


33 posted on 07/28/2008 9:17:09 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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