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Title - Read McCain's Lips
ABC ^ | 7/29/08 | Jake tapper

Posted on 07/29/2008 8:38:06 AM PDT by pissant

My former next-door neighbor Ramesh Ponnuru of the National Review takes note of an apparent flip-flop by Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., on taxes.

In March 2007 McCain told Ponnuru the following:

Ponnuru: If you could get the Democrats to agree, or at least to come to the table on entitlements or on tax simplification, are those circumstances under which you’d be willing to accept a tax increase?

Sen. McCain: No; no.

PONNURU: No circumstances?

Sen. McCain: No. None. None.

But on This Week with George Stephanopoulos Sunday McCain sounded a bit different, saying of Social Security, "I am a supporter of sitting down together and putting everything on the table and coming up with an answer. So, there is nothing I would take off the table. There was nothing I would demand. I think that's the way that Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill did it. And that's what we have to do again...

"I have said and will say, I will say that everything has to be on the table, if we're going to reach a bipartisan agreement," McCain continued. "I've been in bipartisan negotiations before. I know how you reach a conclusion. We all have to sit down together with everything on the table."

Asked George: "So, that means payroll tax increases are on the table, as well?"

"There is nothing that's off the table," McCain responded. "I have my positions, and I'll articulate them. But nothing's off the table. I don't want tax increases. Of course I'd like to have young Americans have some of their money put into an account with their name on it. But that doesn't mean that anything is off the table."


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: mccain; mccainlist; mccaintruthfile; mcqueeg; mcrino; poorpoorrinos; rino; stephanopoulos; taxes
Hedging his bets?
1 posted on 07/29/2008 8:38:06 AM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

Ronald Reagan formed a ‘committee’ to see how to shore up social security.

That committee recommended raising the salary cap on social security.

Ronald Reagan raised the salary cap on social security.

Will there be collective amnesia on this?


2 posted on 07/29/2008 8:41:17 AM PDT by Carley
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To: pissant

“Title - Read McCain’s Lips”

But...but he won’t raise taxes “as much” as Hussein. That makes him worth voting for and a conservative, right?

Right?


3 posted on 07/29/2008 8:41:29 AM PDT by Grunthor (Libs love soccer because you can play for hours and have no winner, thus no loser)
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To: Carley

Are you saying that that POS McCain is in anyway on the same level as Reagan???


4 posted on 07/29/2008 8:42:27 AM PDT by Grunthor (Libs love soccer because you can play for hours and have no winner, thus no loser)
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To: pissant
I don't see the flip-flop. McCain continued to say he doesn't want a tax increase then goes on to say, in regards to Social Security, that he'd like young Americans to be able to put some of that money into accounts.

I agree completely.

5 posted on 07/29/2008 8:42:53 AM PDT by avacado
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To: Carley

Reagan also signed an amnesty for 2-3 million illegals (whiich he later regretted). Does that make a new McCain amnesty acceptable?


6 posted on 07/29/2008 8:43:42 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Grunthor
"But...but he won’t raise taxes “as much” as Hussein. That makes him worth voting for and a conservative, right?

Right?"

He has said he will extend heo Bush tax cuts. Do you know what the Bush tax cuts entail? Do you know how you are affected by the tax cuts if they expire? If not.... Yipes!

7 posted on 07/29/2008 8:44:56 AM PDT by avacado
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To: avacado
How does 'I will not raise taxes' equate to "everything is on the table" or I don't want to raise taxes?
8 posted on 07/29/2008 8:45:01 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Grunthor

I’m sure he’ll slash taxes though. Just recall his enthusiasm for the Bush tax cuts. LOL


9 posted on 07/29/2008 8:45:52 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

“No.”
“I will say that everything has to be on the table,
if we’re going to reach a bipartisan agreement”

I interpret that to mean that he will definitely not raise
payroll taxes, unless he and his supporters reach across
the aisle in the Senate steamroom and find that the GOP
will bend over for the soap-on-a-rope that he dropped.
Ooooops!


10 posted on 07/29/2008 8:56:22 AM PDT by tumblindice
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To: pissant
He cant raise taxes without lowering them elsewhere, or he'll end up like Bush Sr.

OTOH, maybe McCain will absolutely enjoy sending his base into apoplexia.

11 posted on 07/29/2008 9:04:04 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: pissant
McCain is concerned that he's polling too high.

Losing to someone who has no business running for President is hard work. But if anyone can do it - it's McCain!


12 posted on 07/29/2008 9:07:14 AM PDT by BufordP (Had Mexicans flown planes into the World Trade Center, Jorge Bush would have surrendered.)
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To: rabscuttle385

ping


13 posted on 07/29/2008 9:09:03 AM PDT by BufordP (Had Mexicans flown planes into the World Trade Center, Jorge Bush would have surrendered.)
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To: avacado
"He has said he will extend heo Bush tax cuts. Do you know what the Bush tax cuts entail? Do you know how you are affected by the tax cuts if they expire? If not.... Yipes!"

How can McCain extend the tax cuts when that bill will never get out of the Congress. The Republicans have no excuse for this not being done after 2004. Does anyone remember if McCain was for or against making the tax cuts permanent when the Republicans had the power? I just don't believe him.

14 posted on 07/29/2008 9:30:31 AM PDT by Anomoly99 (Anomoly (sp) - Sorry, A product of Public Schools)
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To: pissant

“Read my lips”

Juan “Liberal Moron” McQueeg is THE WORST GOP candidate of ALL TIME. Give this LOSER the hook.


15 posted on 07/29/2008 11:32:17 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (No mas Juan "Traitor Rat" McAmnesty)
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To: rabscuttle385; indylindy; calcowgirl; Ingtar; djsherin; Sunnyflorida; SoConPubbie; Sybeck1; ...
Thanks to BufordP for the ping!

This is the official McCain flip-flop. His advisor Carly Fiorina already told a Bloomberg reporter some time ago about his position on raising taxes in a "comprehensive" and "bipartisan" (AKA bend over for the Democrats) way.

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16 posted on 07/29/2008 12:40:33 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat." Ronald Reagan)
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To: pissant

“Title - Read McCain’s Lips”

Which day? This guy needs to decide what he believes.

Must be his ‘stratergy’ ...keep the voters confused, they’ll vote for ya.


17 posted on 07/29/2008 12:43:06 PM PDT by AuntB ( "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: Carley

“Ronald Reagan formed a ‘committee’ to see how to shore up social security.

That committee recommended raising the salary cap on social security.

Ronald Reagan raised the salary cap on social security.

Will there be collective amnesia on this?”

Is Reagan running?

So another president screws up and that makes it A-okay for John McCain. Reagan was also dumb enough to sign an amnesty, but that mistake hasn’t phased McCain, has it?


18 posted on 07/29/2008 12:45:08 PM PDT by AuntB ( "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: avacado

Yes, McCain says he’ll extend the Bush Tax cuts. Why the hell did he vote against them in the first place?

Oh, right, it’s another day, another John.


19 posted on 07/29/2008 12:46:41 PM PDT by AuntB ( "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: AuntB
"Why the hell did he vote against them in the first place?"

The bill didn't contain stipulations for reduced spending.

20 posted on 07/29/2008 12:52:15 PM PDT by avacado
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To: Nonstatist
OTOH, maybe McCain will absolutely enjoy sending his base into apoplexia.

McCain has a base? Who knew?!?##!

21 posted on 07/29/2008 1:11:51 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: tumblindice; rabscuttle385; AuntB

People that call themselves conservatives, hehe, actually believe a well known democrat collaborator to NOT raise their SS taxes. They really believe they are getting a deal, even after Juan said he might raise the taxes. What a true laugher! Juan will raise their taxes and then claim he couldn’t help it, after all the RAT Congress and all, you know?

I understand the fear and why they put thier lot with him out of fear of Obama. I guess it will make getting screwed, less painful for them.


22 posted on 07/29/2008 1:17:43 PM PDT by dforest (I had almost forgotten that McCain is the nominee. Too bad I was reminded.)
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To: avacado

Did you answer my question, or just ask one of your own?


23 posted on 07/29/2008 1:57:40 PM PDT by Grunthor (Libs love soccer because you can play for hours and have no winner, thus no loser)
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To: pissant

“I’m sure he’ll slash taxes though. Just recall his enthusiasm for the Bush tax cuts. LOL”

yeah I think I recall his words were along the lines of “tax cuts for the wealthy” but I could be wrong, that might have been Ted Kennedy, Russ Feingold or Hillary Clinton.


24 posted on 07/29/2008 1:59:36 PM PDT by Grunthor (Libs love soccer because you can play for hours and have no winner, thus no loser)
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To: Grunthor

He said the 2003 tax cuts would continue. For me, that means keeping $4K of cash money per year. Obama has said he’s getting rid of the tax cuts.

Do you know what the tax cuts are?


25 posted on 07/29/2008 2:00:32 PM PDT by avacado
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To: rabscuttle385

(AKA bend over for the Democrats)

It’s nice to know that McCain if elected would not change much.


26 posted on 07/29/2008 2:00:42 PM PDT by Grunthor (Libs love soccer because you can play for hours and have no winner, thus no loser)
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To: avacado

yeah I think I recall his words were along the lines of “tax cuts for the wealthy” but I could be wrong, that might have been Ted Kennedy, Russ Feingold or Hillary Clinton.


27 posted on 07/29/2008 2:01:12 PM PDT by Grunthor (Libs love soccer because you can play for hours and have no winner, thus no loser)
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To: Grunthor

Okay, you don’t know what the 2003 tax cuts are. Just great! You may want to bone up on those tax cuts and start paying attention to what the government does, and does not, take out of your paycheck. Just an idea!


28 posted on 07/29/2008 2:06:03 PM PDT by avacado
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To: avacado

“You may want to bone up on those tax cuts and start paying attention to what the government does, and does not, take out of your paycheck.”

My income is tax free but thank you anyway.


29 posted on 07/29/2008 2:26:16 PM PDT by Grunthor (Libs love soccer because you can play for hours and have no winner, thus no loser)
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To: Grunthor
"My income is tax free but thank you anyway."

As I said, you don't know the tax cuts of 2003. You just admitted it. Thank you.

30 posted on 07/29/2008 2:28:58 PM PDT by avacado
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To: avacado

Where did I say “I do not know what the tax cuts of 2003 are?”

Thank you.


31 posted on 07/29/2008 3:41:01 PM PDT by Grunthor (Libs love soccer because you can play for hours and have no winner, thus no loser)
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To: rabscuttle385

Bump


32 posted on 07/29/2008 5:32:17 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (If you couldn't stand to be in a packed room of RINOs & LIBERALS for 3+hours DO NOT VOTE for McObama)
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