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McCain Draws Criticism For Shift on Tax Increases
Wall Street Journal ^ | July 29, 2008

Posted on 07/29/2008 2:10:35 PM PDT by djsherin

WASHINGTON -- Republican presidential candidate John McCain's signal that he may be open to a higher payroll tax for Social Security, despite previous vows not to raise taxes of any kind, is drawing sharp rebukes from conservatives.

Mr. McCain's shift has come in stages, catching some Republicans by surprise. Speaking with reporters on his campaign bus on July 9, he cited a need to shore up Social Security. "I cannot tell you what I would do, except to put everything on the table," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: mccain; mccainlist; poorpoorrinos; socialsecurity; taxes
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1 posted on 07/29/2008 2:10:36 PM PDT by djsherin
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To: rabscuttle385

ping


2 posted on 07/29/2008 2:10:55 PM PDT by djsherin
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To: djsherin

I’m not voting for McCain, he keeps finding new reasons for me to distrust him.


3 posted on 07/29/2008 2:12:18 PM PDT by TommyDale (I) (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: djsherin

We are so screwed.


4 posted on 07/29/2008 2:12:44 PM PDT by rightinthemiddle (The Mainstream Media Controls Our Party. Go, RINOS!)
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To: djsherin

Read my lips, no new RINOs!


5 posted on 07/29/2008 2:14:47 PM PDT by bmwcyle (If God wanted us to be Socialist, Karl Marx would have been born in America.)
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To: djsherin

Another betrayal at the hands of McCain in the works.

Lest he forget that those of us who are “self employed” pay DOUBLE the SS tax...

Not cool, not cool at all. My income is falling - so the last thing I need is for a larger chunk of that remaining to be taken.


6 posted on 07/29/2008 2:15:57 PM PDT by TheBattman (Vote your conscience, or don't complain about RINOs!)
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To: TommyDale

Countdown until the McCainiacs show up and make excuses...


7 posted on 07/29/2008 2:16:49 PM PDT by TheBattman (Vote your conscience, or don't complain about RINOs!)
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To: djsherin

I’ll say it again, give the voter a choice between a half-ass and a full ass liberal and the total ass wins every time.


8 posted on 07/29/2008 2:17:03 PM PDT by AU72
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To: djsherin

I don’t know what people are expecting here. There is no way we can pay the money due to people without a tax increase or a major cut in benefits. If I had to pay in for 40 plus years so some other schmoe can get a check then damn skippy I want it back.

Either that or let me out now and they can keep it and we’ll call it even.


9 posted on 07/29/2008 2:17:23 PM PDT by misterrob (Obama-Does America Need Another Jimmy Carter?)
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To: djsherin

Explain how over taxing and spending the surplus shores up Social Security.


10 posted on 07/29/2008 2:19:13 PM PDT by DManA
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To: misterrob

A current tax increase will not solve future social security problems. A current tax increase will be spent currently.


11 posted on 07/29/2008 2:19:42 PM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: misterrob

I’d like out. The government sells SS as an insurance policy, but it’s a tax and as such what you pay in isn’t what you get out. It’s proportional from what I understand, but you pay for the current generation of beneficiaries, not for yourself. AND it’s forced, not a choice made by the person to whom the benefits and costs go.


12 posted on 07/29/2008 2:20:38 PM PDT by djsherin
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To: DManA

Couldn’t tell you. Doesn’t make any sense.


13 posted on 07/29/2008 2:21:35 PM PDT by djsherin
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To: misterrob

I expect them to raise taxes, or change the terms IN 10 YEARS when out flow begins to exceed income. Until then, we could even CUT payroll taxes and come out better of.

Again, its to nobody’s benefit to tax more than is needed and wasting the excess on garbage programs. Raising Payroll taxes now just exacerbates the problem.


14 posted on 07/29/2008 2:22:09 PM PDT by DManA
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To: djsherin

I’m the laughing stock of the week. I used “Obama wants to raise taxes on your Social Security” bit the last two weeks as an argument as to why one should NOT vote for Obama. Incidentally won most of them over to Mcain’s side.


15 posted on 07/29/2008 2:22:41 PM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: tsowellfan

I look forward to the inevitable apology for McCain from the “nose holders.”


16 posted on 07/29/2008 2:24:40 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: djsherin
McCain was gaining ground in the polls.

Of course he's going to say something stupid.
17 posted on 07/29/2008 2:27:34 PM PDT by horse_doc (Visualize a world where a tactical nuke went off at Max Yasgur's farm in 1969.)
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To: djsherin
RINOs loose nationally (IMHO).

The conservatives understand that. The liberals even understand that. But McCain doesn't.

McCain is a flip flopping left of center (within the conservative camp) political reincarnation of Bob Dole. Like Dole, McCain can't connect to voters and is too old, but unlike Dole, he stands a good chance at alienating his own base, may it be with taxes, the boarder........

18 posted on 07/29/2008 2:28:34 PM PDT by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: misterrob

I was told 30 years ago not to expect Social Security. I believed it then. Is still do.


19 posted on 07/29/2008 2:30:42 PM PDT by DManA
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To: djsherin
McCain: Read my lips! "I cannot tell you what I would do ..."

[When the Dem candidates change positions, they are accused of flipflopping. When the Pubbies do it, they are said to be refining their positions.]

The real point is: You cannot trust McCain on what he says today, as he may change positions tomorrow.
20 posted on 07/29/2008 2:33:57 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: djsherin

I don’t buy into the premise that Conservatives were shocked and outraged by this latest flipflop. Conservatives already knew what he was like and this would come as no surprise at all.


21 posted on 07/29/2008 2:35:03 PM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: DManA

My long-term forecast doesn’t include it.

We have only ourselves to blame for it though....


22 posted on 07/29/2008 2:36:29 PM PDT by misterrob (Obama-Does America Need Another Jimmy Carter?)
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To: djsherin
Hey, John - if you want to be Obama Lite - go right ahead! Americans will prefer the genuine article if they want tax increases.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

23 posted on 07/29/2008 2:37:15 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: misterrob

I blame the greatest generation for coming back from WWII and going into a mating frenzy.


24 posted on 07/29/2008 2:39:39 PM PDT by DManA
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To: djsherin
"John McCain's signal that he may be open to a higher payroll tax for Social Security, despite previous vows not to raise taxes of any kind"

That's the Comrade Juan McNuts we know and love!

< / sarc>

25 posted on 07/29/2008 2:40:15 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Bernanke is a Monetary Slut!)
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To: misterrob
"There is no way we can pay the money due to people without a tax increase or a major cut in benefits."

Wrong. Private Accounts.

26 posted on 07/29/2008 2:41:14 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Bernanke is a Monetary Slut!)
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To: TomGuy
"McCain: Read my lips!"

How can you read his lips? Haven't you noticed they don't move when he talks. :-)

27 posted on 07/29/2008 2:43:11 PM PDT by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences)
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To: TheBattman

Oh employees pay it too - by not getting paid more.

I am an employer, and total cost of the employee (including SS) is included.

I put in on their pay stubs so they can see.


28 posted on 07/29/2008 2:45:13 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan ("Jesse Jackson was an important figure; paving the way for Osama bin Laden to appear" -- Dan Rather)
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To: Spunky
How can you read his lips? Haven't you noticed they don't move when he talks. :-)

That may be the reason it is hard to pin him down on things he says. LOL
29 posted on 07/29/2008 2:45:32 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: djsherin

McCain is the lesser of two evils, but comments like his latest continue to blur the distinction between him and Barry. At some point it will be hard to tell them apart.


30 posted on 07/29/2008 2:46:56 PM PDT by tips up
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To: Spunky
How can you read his lips? Haven't you noticed they don't move when he talks. :-)

Eek. I try to avoid looking at him as much as possible. He is totally creepy-looking and weird.

31 posted on 07/29/2008 2:47:17 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: djsherin
"catching some Republicans by surprise"

Always some who don't get the memo.

32 posted on 07/29/2008 2:48:31 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: djsherin

Tell me where he said he would raise taxes. The article only implies it. (Duh.)


33 posted on 07/29/2008 2:49:24 PM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: djsherin

Has anyone checked his rear to see if Howard Dean’s arm is stuck up there? I swear he sounds more like a Dem puppet every day.


34 posted on 07/29/2008 2:50:35 PM PDT by CowboyJay (There's always 2012...)
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To: Norman Bates
Raising payroll taxes AKA putting all the options on the table - won't fix what ails Social Security. We need to privatize it!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

35 posted on 07/29/2008 2:50:56 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Norman Bates

I didn’t say he WOULD raise taxes, but he did say he wouldn’t before and now it’s on the table.


36 posted on 07/29/2008 2:53:09 PM PDT by djsherin
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To: djsherin
The election is not about McCain. It is a referendum on Barry. We can't roll over and give up to Barry. As far as the tax comment, it is like Bush 41 “read my lips, no new taxes”. In McCain's case, he will likely have a veto-proof LibDem Congress who will propose taxes, tease McCain to try to veto, then blame McCain for higher taxes. It's a moot point. Taxes are up to Congress. McCain will only have the Bully Pulpit. Let's hope he takes advantage of it and take the message to the voters like Reagan. I'm exercising my audacity to hope that Barry is roundly defeated.
37 posted on 07/29/2008 2:53:39 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: tsowellfan
I’m the laughing stock of the week. I used “Obama wants to raise taxes on your Social Security” bit the last two weeks as an argument as to why one should NOT vote for Obama. Incidentally won most of them over to Mcain’s side.

Like we didn't see that one coming from a mile away...

The Republipukes and DemoCraps are playing you (the voter) for a sap.

The sooner you (the voter) stops falling for their cons, and stop voting the 'lesser of two evils' into office, the sooner we can get the country back on track.

38 posted on 07/29/2008 2:57:31 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (While the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.)
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To: Captain Kirk
I look forward to the inevitable apology for McCain from the “nose holders.”

Yes, I do hear a lot of crickets today...

39 posted on 07/29/2008 2:58:10 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (While the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.)
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To: SERKIT

This election cycle is running 2 big government candidates. I agree the president doesn’t have much real say on tax increases (except by veto), but his words have influence and certainly don’t make me want to vote for him.


40 posted on 07/29/2008 2:58:15 PM PDT by djsherin
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To: djsherin

Being for higher taxes is not a winning issue.


41 posted on 07/29/2008 2:58:49 PM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Always Right

It most certainly is not.

It’ll be very interesting to see how everything unfolds in the next few months.


42 posted on 07/29/2008 3:00:01 PM PDT by djsherin
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To: goldstategop
Raising payroll taxes AKA putting all the options on the table - won't fix what ails Social Security. We need to privatize it!

Bush 2 was going to fix SS. That was to be his major plank right after the 2004 elections.

He made one attempt and the Congress shot it down. He never tried again.

Had GW tried as much to get true SS reform as he tried to get amnesty for illegals passed, he might have a lasting legacy. Instead, he lost on both.
43 posted on 07/29/2008 3:02:27 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: TheBattman

Why is that?

I am self-employed, do I pay double? Yikes.


44 posted on 07/29/2008 3:10:31 PM PDT by squarebarb
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To: TomGuy

McCain: Read my lips! “I cannot tell you what I would do ...”

But vote for me anyway, NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!


45 posted on 07/29/2008 3:37:42 PM PDT by doc
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To: djsherin

The danger with Mr. McCain is that he apparently gets all his news from the leftist press. And consequently, he has surrounded himself with leftist advisors that reflect the information he gets from the propaganda press.

I understand that he only recently discovered the alternate news on the web. Not good. McCain can’t remain a slave to the old media and expect to make judicious and fair decisions.

There can’t be any other reason that McCain supports illegal immigration and open borders - the man is brainwashed by the leftist press.

Not good. Not good at all.

We need to turn the man around and then we’ll get a good president.


46 posted on 07/29/2008 4:10:40 PM PDT by sergeantdave (We are entering the Age of the Idiot)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Ah, but that’s not a government payment now is it?


47 posted on 07/29/2008 4:19:01 PM PDT by misterrob (Obama-Does America Need Another Jimmy Carter?)
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To: djsherin

On Sunday, they tried to get him to say that he was for tax increases. He absolutely denied it.

This time, the question was designed to get him to look inflexible on Social Security. That way, it could be spun that he “won’t protect social security”, and that he is just a stubborn “Bush lite”, and “more of the same”; which is a key Dem talking point. It was an absurd trap either way.

I would have favored an answer to the effect that “taxes are high enough”, However, I really doubt that the obvious, dogged agenda of the interviewer would have allowed getting anywhere close to this as an answer without looking shifty and evasive; which of course, was the objective.

The MSM makes everything a lose lose for Republicans.


48 posted on 07/29/2008 4:52:06 PM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: misterrob
There is no way we can pay the money due to people without a tax increase or a major cut in benefits.

Sounds like a plan to me.

49 posted on 07/29/2008 6:18:36 PM PDT by Sloth (A domestic enemy of the Constitution will become POTUS on January 20, 2009.)
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To: squarebarb

If you don’t, then Mr Fed will soon .come to visit...

If you are a regular employee, you pay 6.2% of your income for SS, and 1.45% for Medicare.

If you are self employed, you pay 12.4% for SS, and 2.9% for Medicare.

All of this on up to $102,000


50 posted on 07/29/2008 6:33:17 PM PDT by TheBattman (Vote your conscience, or don't complain about RINOs!)
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