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Texas Set To Execute Gang Rapist/Murderer
http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0731/p03s05-usju.html ^

Posted on 07/31/2008 6:59:34 PM PDT by instantgratification

The United States is fast approaching a showdown over its commitment to the rule of international law as Texas prepares to carry out the scheduled Aug. 5 execution of convicted killer and rapist Jose Medellin. On July 14, the International Court of Justice at The Hague ordered the US government to "take all measures necessary" to prevent the execution of Mr. Medellin and four other Mexican nationals awaiting execution dates on death row in Texas. . . Medellin admitted involvement in the gang rape and murder of two girls. The girls, ages 14 and 16, took a shortcut home through the woods, where they were spotted by members of a street gang. Medellin and other gang members chased the girls, raped them, and then killed them to prevent them from reporting the crime. . . A measure was introduced in Congress, but there has been no effort to pass the bill, or even debate it. Analysts say the issue is radioactive in an election year.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; crime; deathpenalty; icj; medellin; worldcourt
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1 posted on 07/31/2008 6:59:34 PM PDT by instantgratification
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To: instantgratification

My view is despite the Convention, he should be executed. The case turns on a technicality.

The gangbanger had a fair trial. His victims did not.


2 posted on 07/31/2008 7:01:39 PM PDT by instantgratification
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To: instantgratification

He can choose the new “lemon fresh” scented pancuronium bromide.


3 posted on 07/31/2008 7:03:11 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Without the second, the rest are just politicians' BS.)
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To: instantgratification

I say bring back hanging, just for this sad sack o’ sh*t.


4 posted on 07/31/2008 7:04:08 PM PDT by mkjessup (If the choice is a suntanned Jimmy Carter or a Cranky Old Guy, I'm with the Cranky Old Guy)
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To: instantgratification

It’s time we told them (World Court, UN, etc) to “go pound salt”!


5 posted on 07/31/2008 7:04:44 PM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: instantgratification

Allright Texas!!! You stand strong.


6 posted on 07/31/2008 7:04:53 PM PDT by fwdude (If marriage can mean anything, then marriage means nothing.)
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To: instantgratification

On with the execution. Old Europe is wrong once again.


7 posted on 07/31/2008 7:05:37 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: mkjessup

Let it be soon...


8 posted on 07/31/2008 7:06:59 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: instantgratification

Republic of Texas trumps international law.


9 posted on 07/31/2008 7:07:06 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (BARACK OBAMA WILL SAVE US! HE HAS RISEN!!)
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To: mkjessup

Hanging is too good for him.Tie him to a stake and let me set my dogs on him.


10 posted on 07/31/2008 7:07:12 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: instantgratification

Gov Perry was on Mark Davis talk radio today about this. Final decision Tuesday as he has to get report from Pardons and Parole bunch. Expect TX to infuse this illegal piece of garbage despite all the sympathizers. And good riddance.


11 posted on 07/31/2008 7:08:01 PM PDT by Hattie
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To: instantgratification

World Court opinions should have zero standing in the United States (or any allegedly sovereign country for that matter)


12 posted on 07/31/2008 7:09:07 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: instantgratification

Execute him.
Screw the World Court.


13 posted on 07/31/2008 7:10:40 PM PDT by Outland (Liberalism is a mental disorder. Socialism is a deep psychosis. Communism is brain cancer.)
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To: Arkinsaw

The problem is that the US wants to ensure its citizens have consular access when it is abroad, so from that perspective, the World Court is needed. I think if this were not a big election year, Congress may have intervened.

A big problem in a lot of these cases is Mexico always demands its nationals who commit crimes not face the death penalty. It doesn’t look at whether the accused got a fair trial. And, in this case, the gangbanger was only “nominally” Mexican - a Mexican citizen raised in the U.S. Mexico should not have taken this to the World Court. Lots of Americans and Canadians languish for years in Mexican prisons if they fail to buy their way out.


14 posted on 07/31/2008 7:13:43 PM PDT by instantgratification
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To: Hattie

Unfortunately, three of the other gangbanger rapists got life sentences. One, 14 at the time, is serving up to 40 years. The other two were sentenced to death, but were minors (barely), and the USSC overturned their sentences.

“Life” is not “life” in Texas. Eventually, those animals will all be released back on the streets.


15 posted on 07/31/2008 7:16:42 PM PDT by instantgratification
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To: instantgratification

I don’t see the World Court meddling in the affairs of third world countries who brutally kill people for petty things. But then they come down on us for executing someone who committed a crime that is beyond despicable.


16 posted on 07/31/2008 7:19:09 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If Islam conquers the world, the Earth will be at peace because the human race will be killed off.)
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17 posted on 07/31/2008 7:22:00 PM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served,to keep us free)
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To: Clintonfatigued

They can only intervene if a foreigner is involved, and the foreigner’s country takes the case to the World Court.

In this case, the World Court said the cases should be reviewed to determine if the lack of assistance tainted the outcome. I think that really, this was a delay tactic by Medellin’s legal team. I highly doubt he would have received a different sentence in any circumstance.


18 posted on 07/31/2008 7:24:00 PM PDT by instantgratification
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To: mdittmar

I read the facts and they were really brutal.

I do believe the sentence fits the crime, and note, it has been fifteen years since the crime.


19 posted on 07/31/2008 7:26:15 PM PDT by instantgratification
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To: instantgratification

If this court does not want them to die, these perverts can live with them and their daughters.


20 posted on 07/31/2008 7:33:01 PM PDT by chiefqc
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To: instantgratification
The problem is that the US wants to ensure its citizens have consular access when it is abroad, so from that perspective, the World Court is needed. I think if this were not a big election year, Congress may have intervened.

What an idiot statement. We don't deserve any special treatment abroad. If we break their laws then we pay the price of doing so. Especially if we rape and kill teenage girls in the process. If congress intervenes on this in any year they will be swamped with phone calls, emails and every other means of communication. Kill the murdering bastards is my cry and kill them soon. F*** the world court, they have no standing in our country and in country that lets them dictate what they can do deserves the tyranny they get as a result.

21 posted on 07/31/2008 7:35:07 PM PDT by calex59
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To: instantgratification

I suggest a compromise. String him up, then cryogenically freeze the body and send it to the Hague. They can store it and revive him when technology permits.

Come to think of it, why not do that will all convicted killers in lieu of appeals. When all appeals are exhausted, the body could be thawed.


22 posted on 07/31/2008 7:42:41 PM PDT by tickmeister (tickmeister)
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To: instantgratification

GRRRRRRRREAT news!


23 posted on 07/31/2008 7:43:55 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: instantgratification
"Americans who are detained abroad may well lose the critical protection of ensured access to United States consular officers," wrote Lucy Reed, president of the American Society of International Law (ASIL), in a recent letter to leaders in Congress.

Somewhere I have a jpeg of the USS Washington, with the slogan, "90,000 tons of diplomacy; wherever, whenever."

Relying on grownups wearing striped pants to protect Americans is a losing proposition.

24 posted on 07/31/2008 7:44:43 PM PDT by Bernard (If you always tell the truth, you never have to remember exactly what you said.)
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To: Farmer Dean

that is great but still to good for him. tree-chain-blowtorch....slowly until done works for me.


25 posted on 07/31/2008 7:45:59 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: instantgratification

May God have mercy on his soul, after the State of Texas sets it free from its mortal husk.

Amen.


26 posted on 07/31/2008 7:50:11 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Kudzu: A successful government program!)
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NO SOUP FOR YOU!!!!!! (killer)

Burn in hell. No pitty for you montster!

27 posted on 07/31/2008 7:50:23 PM PDT by ElPatriota (Duncan Hunter 08 -- I am proud to support this man for my president and may be Huck?.. Naah :))
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Wasnt this the same guy the Bush Admin supported in preventing his execution?

There is nothing more anti-American than allowing the World Court (a favorite of Liberals and Liberal Free Trade Globalists) to involve itself in the American system.

I am tired of those people and institutions who value the rights of criminal illegal aliens over the rights of American citizen crime victims. If Mexico doesnt like the fact that their reprobates get executed in the USA...then take your damn people back.


28 posted on 07/31/2008 7:58:49 PM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (McBama....Over 300 Million Screwed)
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To: instantgratification

The problem is that the US wants to ensure its citizens have consular access when it is abroad.

BS! When arrested overseas, an american citizen will get a visit from the embassy security officer (if notified about the arrest), whom will explain that there is nothing they can do. The american citizen broke the local law and is at their mercy, but they will contact his/her family to send money and food.


29 posted on 07/31/2008 8:11:22 PM PDT by RexFamilia
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To: instantgratification

Put a pillow under his head and give him a comfortable, painless ride into Hell . . .

For the chilren.


30 posted on 07/31/2008 8:13:21 PM PDT by BraveMan
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To: instantgratification

It figures that the child molesters in the Hague would try to save the life of this filthy scumbag. He should be strapped into a chair and cooked to a crisp, along with his accomplices.


31 posted on 07/31/2008 8:19:41 PM PDT by peeps36 ( Al Gore Is A Big Fat Lying Hypocrite. He Pollutes The Air By Opening His Big Mouth)
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To: instantgratification
“Life” is not “life” in Texas.

When this case was tried, there was no life without parole in TX. The TX legislature enacted life without parole this last session.

32 posted on 07/31/2008 8:38:55 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: instantgratification

We don’t need arrogant European elitists telling us what to do. We have the Constitution, which is the supreme law of our land. Not The Hague.


33 posted on 07/31/2008 8:41:57 PM PDT by RepublicanProfessorette
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To: instantgratification
Has Ted Kennedy weighed in on this case yet?

Or Jorge Arbusto?

Or Juan "Amnesty" McCain?

(...and why isn't this labeled a hate crime by the DBM?)

(...and why aren't the feminists up in arms about this?)

NO cheers, unfortunately.

34 posted on 07/31/2008 9:06:42 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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The problem is that the US wants to ensure its citizens have consular access when it is abroad, so from that perspective, the World Court is needed. I think if this were not a big election year, Congress may have intervened. A big problem in a lot of these cases is Mexico always demands its nationals who commit crimes not face the death penalty. It doesn’t look at whether the accused got a fair trial. And, in this case, the gangbanger was only “nominally” Mexican - a Mexican citizen raised in the U.S. Mexico should not have taken this to the World Court. Lots of Americans and Canadians languish for years in Mexican prisons if they fail to buy their way out.

I am a little old fashioned on this account. I believe sovereign nations should make bilateral arrangements for these matters and not offload their sovereignty to a World Court that can issue "orders" to them.

If Mexico has a problem with US treatment of its citizens who break US law then it should come to the US and negotiate a fair and equitable bilateral treaty.

In that event, both countries are more inclined to keep their end of the deal in fear of similar treatment on the other side. As it is, one side can run to the World Court for a ruling when they themselves have little intention of reciprocating.
35 posted on 07/31/2008 9:10:07 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: instantgratification

I am in Mexico watching the national coverage of this on television. Mr. Medellin says everybody commits “errors” when they are young, and since he was 18 at the time of his “error” he should be forgiven. The interviewer asked him if he had decided on what his last meal would be. He did not want to answer the question, and then when asked about what his last words would be, he said he did not think about those things.

As for access by US citizens in foreign jails, that is not what is at stake here. Mr. Medellin did have access to the Mexican consulate, eventually, and was given a fair trial. May God have more mercy on him than he had for Miss Pena and the other young (16 and 14) year old girls.


36 posted on 07/31/2008 9:15:43 PM PDT by bajabaja
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To: instantgratification

If he did it in the US/Texas then it falls under that jurisdiction.

When the illegal parents of American anchor babies live in HUD housing and eat on the taxpayers dimes, where is Mexico to protest that?


37 posted on 07/31/2008 9:26:06 PM PDT by wac3rd (Carter80/Obama08)
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To: instantgratification

I can see a lib on the SCOTUS putting this execution off in the name of international law.


38 posted on 07/31/2008 9:41:23 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Quick justice for the senseless killing of Marine Lance Cpl. Robert Crutchfield.)
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To: RepublicanProfessorette
"We don’t need arrogant European elitists telling us what to do. We have the Constitution, which is the supreme law of our land. Not The Hague."

You need to attend re-education camp..... the US Constitution is only the "supreme law of our land" insofar as it has been properly re-interpreted by Justices Ginsburg, Stevens, et al. Otherwise, look to the Hague, the UN, and the EU. /big sarcasm

39 posted on 07/31/2008 9:46:24 PM PDT by Enchante (Obambi goes to GERMANY to apologize for unwarranted (sic) aggression!)
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To: taxesareforever
I can see a lib on the SCOTUS putting this execution off in the name of international law.

SCOTUS washed their hands of him in 2006. They are *not* going to go there again...

the infowarrior

40 posted on 07/31/2008 10:43:37 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: instantgratification

“Congress may have intervened..’

On what legal basis could Congress have intervened? When the Federal Government tried to order the State of Texas to review the case the US Supreme Court ruled that the Executive Branch of the Federal Government had no jurisdiction in the matter. They ruled it was a matter for the Texas courts, legislature to handle. Additionally, the Governor does not have the authority to commute his sentance, Texas has a state board of pardons that has that authority.


41 posted on 08/01/2008 5:02:15 AM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: calex59

I believe the US consulate does say if you commit a crime in a foreign country, you will face that jurisdiction’s laws. But they can help with access to lawyers, etc.

I think the US concern is about innocent people who get caught in situationa abroad.

As an example, there was a Canadian woman, Brenda Martin, who worked as a cook for a Canadian criminal (pyramid scammer) in Mexico. She was held in jail for 2 or 3 years before she was finally released, only after diplomatic intervention (Technically, she was convicted and sent to serve her sentence in Canada. Even the scammer, who was sentenced in the US (where most of his victims were) said she had nothing to do with his scheme, and he’d fired her before he was arrested. But, in Mexico, you’re innocent until proven guilty.


42 posted on 08/01/2008 2:07:12 PM PDT by instantgratification
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Call me old fashioned, but an “error” is using drugs, or speeding. An error is not gang raping 2 young girls (14 and 16), then strangling them.

That just proves he has no conscience.


43 posted on 08/01/2008 2:11:31 PM PDT by instantgratification
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To: taxesareforever

I believe Justice Stevens stated that Texas could not be compelled to follow the World Court decision, but that they should review it (to fulfill treaty obligations).

The World Court didn’t stated Medellin could not be executed, only that his trial should be reviewed to ensure it was “fair”. I think the appeals process basically covered that.


44 posted on 08/01/2008 2:13:21 PM PDT by instantgratification
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To: ops33

Treaties take precedence over state rights.

Here is a legal analysis -

http://www.legalweekblogs.com/legalvillage/2008/03/medellin_case_shows_theres_no.html


45 posted on 08/01/2008 2:17:26 PM PDT by instantgratification
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Mr. Medellin says everybody commits “errors” when they are young, and since he was 18 at the time of his “error” he should be forgiven.

how absolutely disgusting... on top of that, i am sick of society thinking of 18-30 year olds as kids... this guy was a man at the time of the murders...

46 posted on 08/01/2008 2:18:40 PM PDT by latina4dubya
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To: instantgratification

Not being a lawyer I can’t be sure, but if it is a legal matter then its for the Courts to intervene, not Congress. And the Supreme Court has already struck down the attempt by the Executive Branch to intervene. So what’s left?


47 posted on 08/01/2008 6:43:30 PM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: ops33

Because it is a treaty matter (Vienna Convention), Congress can intervene.


48 posted on 08/05/2008 9:58:58 AM PDT by instantgratification
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To: instantgratification

I’m not sure what Congress can legally do, pass a law saying that Texas cannot execute this man? Again, the US Supreme Court has already ruled on this matter and told President Bush that the Federal government cannot interfere with how Texas enforces its own laws.


49 posted on 08/05/2008 10:44:20 AM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: ops33

If Congress enacted a statute which implemented the treaty, then it would supersede the Texas courts. That is what the SCOTUS found in its judgment on this case. The fact there currently is no such statute is why Texas did not have to adhere to the World Court ruling.


50 posted on 08/06/2008 2:31:04 PM PDT by instantgratification
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