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Olbermann: NRA 'Trying to Increase Deaths,' 2nd Amendment is for Muskets
NewsBusters ^ | July 31, 2008 | Brad Wilmouth

Posted on 07/31/2008 8:36:27 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

On Wednesday's Countdown show, MSNBC host Keith Olbermann claimed that pro-gun groups like the NRA "are trying to increase deaths by gun," as he used his "Worst Person" segment to attack a gun rights activist who infiltrated gun control groups to spy on them: "Mary Lou Sapone infiltrated the executive boards and learned the plans of organizations trying to decrease deaths by gun in this country, and apparently reported it back to organizations like the NRA, which are trying to increase deaths by gun in this country." A month earlier, on the June 26 show, after the Supreme Court struck down Washington, D.C.'s handgun ban, Olbermann named Justice Antonin Scalia, whom he called a "clown," as "Worst Person" as the Countdown host ridiculously claimed that the Second Amendment only applies to the types of weapons that existed in 1791, like muskets, to be used in a militia.

Olbermann: "You've got around 30,000 gun deaths in this country per year, another 75,000 non-fatal gun wounds, half the suicides are by gun; and this clown and his four colleagues decided that the 32-year-old ban on handguns in Washington, D.C., and the demand that firearms kept in the home be locked or disassembled was unconstitutional based on the Second Amendment." (Transcripts follow)

The Countdown host continued: "Despite years of fog created by the NRA and right-wing organizations, that isn't very complicated: For the purposes of forming a state militia, you're entitled to keep and bear arms. Obviously, those would have to be the kind of arms in use in 1791, when the Bill of Rights was passed -- the musket, the wheel-lock, the flint lock, the 13th century Chinese hand cannon. Stuff like that. Scalia, of course, simply decided that the militia part of the Second Amendment is some sort of quaint anachronism that he could happily ignore. And there's the beautiful thing about our country -- they say anybody can grow up to be a Supreme Court justice. And in Antonin Scalia, there's your proof, and tonight's 'Worst Person in the World'!"

Below are transcripts of relevant portions of the July 30 and the June 26 Countdown show on MSNBC:

#From the July 30 Countdown:

KEITH OLBERMANN: The runnerup, Mary McFate, also known as Mary Lou Sapone. Mother Jones magazine reports this today. Ms. McFate is a 60-something woman, a quirky but constant participant in gun control organizations, like the Brady Campaign. Ms. Sapone is a 60-something woman, a former figure in the National Rifle Association and wealthy pro-gun activist. The magazine says they're the same person. As Mary McFate, Mary Lou Sapone infiltrated the executive boards and learned the plans of organizations trying to decrease deaths by gun in this country, and apparently reported it back to organizations like the NRA, which are trying to increase deaths by gun in this country. In other words, she was a Benedict Arnold for the gun lobby.

#From the June 26 Countdown:

KEITH OLBERMANN: And our winner, Justice Antonin Scalia of the Supreme Court. You've got around 30,000 gun deaths in this country per year, another 75,000 non-fatal gun wounds, half the suicides are by gun; and this clown and his four colleagues decided that the 32-year-old ban on handguns in Washington, D.C., and the demand that firearms kept in the home be locked or disassembled was unconstitutional based on the Second Amendment. You remember the Second Amendment: "A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Despite years of fog created by the NRA and right-wing organizations, that isn`t very complicated: For the purposes of forming a state militia, you're entitled to keep and bear arms. Obviously, those would have to be the kind of arms in use in 1791, when the Bill of Rights was passed -- the musket, the wheel-lock, the flint lock, the 13th century Chinese hand canon. Stuff like that. Scalia, of course, simply decided that the militia part of the Second Amendment is some sort of quaint anachronism that he could happily ignore. And there's the beautiful thing about our country -- they say anybody can grow up to be a Supreme Court justice. And in Antonin Scalia, there's your proof, and tonight's "Worst Person in the World"!


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; antoninscalia; banglist; drivebymedia; keitholbermann; msm; msnbc; scotus; shallnotbeinfringed
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What a tool!
1 posted on 07/31/2008 8:36:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Idiot.


2 posted on 07/31/2008 8:37:59 PM PDT by RockinRight (I just paid $63 for gas. An icefield in Alaska is NOT the Grand Canyon. F--- the caribou.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thusly, free speech should be limited to tracts printed on hand-operated presses!


3 posted on 07/31/2008 8:38:31 PM PDT by mozarky2 (Ya never stand so tall as when ya stoop to stomp a statist!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

not to forget the 1st amendment demands that obermann practice journalism

by word of mouth and crow quill pen and ink.


4 posted on 07/31/2008 8:40:03 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No one takes this asshole seriously, least of all his colleagues who know that Keith would rather hear a fat boy fart than pretty girl sing. After Alan Alda and Phil Donahue, Olbermann is the third male in history to be diagnosed with vagina envy. God, what a monumental nonentity.


5 posted on 07/31/2008 8:40:34 PM PDT by donaldo
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To: ken21

oh and ben franklin might print off a few of his screeds.


6 posted on 07/31/2008 8:40:54 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wonder what kind and how many guns Olbermann owns. The most outspoken anti-gunners are almost always closet gun owners, which makes them elitist hypocrites of the worst kind.


7 posted on 07/31/2008 8:41:10 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: mozarky2

you stole my thunder


8 posted on 07/31/2008 8:41:25 PM PDT by Disciplinemisanthropy (fantasy hockey, anyone?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Re: "...and the demand that firearms kept in the home be locked or disassembled was unconstitutional based on the Second Amendment."

Hmmm... Olberman if we played it your way there'd be no use having a weapon to protect one's self.

So in your world do the perp thugz get to roam the streets with unlocked, assembled weapons to go fire free zone on the sheeple?

9 posted on 07/31/2008 8:42:48 PM PDT by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I can describe Olbermann’s future in four words:

“White House Press Secretary”


10 posted on 07/31/2008 8:45:28 PM PDT by Old Sarge (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
2nd Amendment is for Muskets

Equal rights are for white, land owning, protestants.

11 posted on 07/31/2008 8:47:52 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: glorgau

LOL!

If that’s the way he wants to see it!


12 posted on 07/31/2008 8:50:48 PM PDT by Califreak (Time to give the empty suits a one way ticket to the cleaners!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
And the first amd. only applies to handbills, manually printed books, and the unamplified human voice.

Not to mention, that given the state of medical treatment in 1780, flintlocks were MORE dangerous than today's weapons. Any hit in a limb resulted in amputation or death, any torso hit resulted in agonizing death. And even back then, there were "assault weapons" capable of spewing out dozens of deadly pellets: google the blunderbuss. That bell shaped muzzle was for rapidly loading a half pound of lead or iron chunks.

13 posted on 07/31/2008 8:56:06 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: donaldo

LMAO!

This thread has probably doubled his name recognition.


14 posted on 07/31/2008 8:58:32 PM PDT by EricT. (The tree of liberty needs to be watered...)
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To: Disambiguator

We’d know if Olbermann owned a gun. He would have shot some unfortunate delivery guy or maybe a limo driver who hadn’t restocked the bar in the back of the car.


15 posted on 07/31/2008 8:59:53 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Who gives a 'Rat's patootie what this guy thinks? The Court considered his version, in several different permutations. He lost, the Supreme Court has spoken.

Now if they'd just send in a bunch of Federal Marshals to enforce it's order on the scofflaws of the DC Council.

16 posted on 07/31/2008 9:00:02 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: mozarky2

Sure. And the 4th Amendment can’t possibly apply to electronic eavesdropping.


17 posted on 07/31/2008 9:00:32 PM PDT by Hugin (Mecca delenda est!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

OMG! This Asshat actually said it! “the 2nd Amendement is about flintlocks”

How is this idiot taken seriously?


18 posted on 07/31/2008 9:03:06 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of the Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Hugin

You’d be surprised how far liberals will go.


19 posted on 07/31/2008 9:03:31 PM PDT by RepublicanProfessorette
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I guess liberals only believe the Constitution is a “living, breathing document” when it breaths in their favor. Everyday, their hypocrisy becomes more and more clear.


20 posted on 07/31/2008 9:04:53 PM PDT by RWB Patriot
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To: El Gato

I hope the idiot keeps flapping his gums.
Obama will lose for sure.

Let them chatter.


21 posted on 07/31/2008 9:07:20 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of the Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Musket Love?


22 posted on 07/31/2008 9:12:27 PM PDT by weegee (Hi there.)
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To: mylife

The freedom of the press only applies to Guttenberg style printing presses. Not comedy/strip clubs, internetz, tv...


23 posted on 07/31/2008 9:14:08 PM PDT by weegee (Hi there.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Somebody please put this idiot out of his misery - preferably by hand or with an edged weapon.


24 posted on 07/31/2008 9:14:16 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN 1969. St. Peregrine, patron saint of cancer patients, pray for us.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Keith is a f%cking moron.

Criminals do not join the NRA, GOA, JPFO, etc. They also don’t care about any gun laws.

They ought to fire that putz for being deliberately ignorant.


25 posted on 07/31/2008 9:15:19 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: weegee

These people aren’t delusional. They are Insane!


26 posted on 07/31/2008 9:16:23 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of the Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: ConorMacNessa

Now Mac, That would be barbaric /s


27 posted on 07/31/2008 9:18:27 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of the Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think you’re all wrong, Keith has a heartfelt and profound respect for the 35% percent of the US constitution that he agrees with.

Ahem, ah, Keith, they didn’t have television when they wrote the 1 st amendment dude.


28 posted on 07/31/2008 9:23:19 PM PDT by jpf
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To: mylife
Yes, I suppose I should relent and let the pathetic bugger live - after all, I wouldn't want to play Henry II to his Becket. Of course both Henry II and Becket would rise up out of their graves to smite this maggot!


29 posted on 07/31/2008 9:25:11 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN 1969. St. Peregrine, patron saint of cancer patients, pray for us.)
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To: ConorMacNessa

Olbermann is a flaming bag of crap on Americas door step.

What a joke!


30 posted on 07/31/2008 9:26:54 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of the Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mozarky2
Absolutely. Does he EVER think anything completely through to its logical conclusion? Olbermann is such a PERFECT example of the “Peter Principal”. He's in waaaaay over his head and he doesn't even know it! MSNBC’s ratings indicate as much, however.
31 posted on 07/31/2008 9:33:45 PM PDT by singfreedom
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To: singfreedom

But.. but..the rabid left adores him.


32 posted on 07/31/2008 9:35:19 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of the Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Decreasing death by guns wont decrease deaths. Men who commit suicide most of the time choose guns. Not having access to a gun wont stop them. These phonies with their crooked studies are shameless.


33 posted on 07/31/2008 9:36:44 PM PDT by MovementConservative (John Roberts and Sam Alito.... Thank you GWB)
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To: MovementConservative

These idiots think nothing of the deaths related to automobiles.

Wait....St Barack says bicycle paths are the answer...a new revelation.

I cant believe i never saw the truth before!


34 posted on 07/31/2008 9:41:55 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of the Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: singfreedom; All
Oh, another fact Olberman willfully ignores, guns do not kill people, PEOPLE kill people. People kill, not only with guns, but with knives, swords, bricks, table lamps, tire irons, lead pipes, poison, and/or any other damn thing they can get hold of!! Why choose only one method to pick on?

Jeez, now who's the “clown”?

35 posted on 07/31/2008 9:46:06 PM PDT by singfreedom
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To: singfreedom

Throwing rocks is “noble”

Slinging crap is even better. The Left is truly insane.

Creepy little vermin with creepy self loathing ideas.


36 posted on 07/31/2008 9:50:33 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of the Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Olberboy is the TV spokesman of the looney left. The very fact that this snide, lying weasel is the face man for the moonbats should totally discredit anything he says or they believe. No wonder even Chrissy Matthews can’t stand him. He’s a brain-damaged, failed sportscaster who can’t even drive a car and was fired by Fox, hence his imaginary feud with O’reilly and Murdoch. I’m surprised he doesn’t make the Drudge report every few days for getting his ass kicked in some public place. Apparently he avoids them.

Actually, I’m also surprised he named somebody besides a Fox News employee to his “worst” list. His guests always come from the far left, and look like the old-time Bolsheviks seen in the photos with Lenin. Olberboy’s set is Commie nerd heaven.


37 posted on 07/31/2008 9:52:56 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I did not think MSNBC would get worse under that dandy Abrhams....I was wrong.

Why are sports writers and commentators always so PC?

*i already know the answer


38 posted on 07/31/2008 9:54:49 PM PDT by wardaddy ("Cause my grey hair just can't cover up my redneck.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I think Olberman should ask the following groups about gun control:

1. Several million Jews that Hitler murdered. He took their weapons first.

2. About 20 million Russians that Stalin murdered. He took their weapons first.

3. About 60 million Chinese that Mao murdered. He took their weapons first.

4 About 2-3 million Cambodians that Pol Pot murdered. He took their weapons first.

5. God only knows how many Africans have been murdered by their governments. They always took the weapons first.

Mr. Oberman, “A man without a weapon is not a citizen, he is a serf, slave or worse.”

39 posted on 07/31/2008 9:56:52 PM PDT by cpdiii (roughneck, oilfield trash and proud of it, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, iconoclast.)
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To: cpdiii

Good to see you cpdiii.

Your words are the truth.


40 posted on 07/31/2008 9:58:48 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of the Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: ConorMacNessa
Why sully a good blade?

the infowarrior

41 posted on 07/31/2008 10:22:43 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
As Mary McFate, Mary Lou Sapone infiltrated the executive boards ... and apparently reported it back to organizations like the NRA ... In other words, she was a Benedict Arnold for the gun lobby.

The woman deserves the medal of valor.

Willfully subjecting herself to the mental rot that permeates the anti-gun lobby - risking her own sanity - just to expose their lies and help protect our rights, what's not heroic about that?

42 posted on 07/31/2008 10:23:26 PM PDT by eclecticEel (men who believe deeply in something, even wrong, usually triumph over men who believe in nothing)
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To: jpf
Ah, yes, that would mean, would it not, Keithy baby should be out of a job? Now that is a logical conclusion I could live with!
43 posted on 07/31/2008 10:25:53 PM PDT by singfreedom
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To: ConorMacNessa
Could we settle on a straight right to the jaw, followed by a steel-toed boot in the crotch?

Just asking.

44 posted on 07/31/2008 10:28:42 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: mylife
They also adore Pelosi and Reid, does that make them any more sapient beings? LOL!
45 posted on 07/31/2008 10:34:28 PM PDT by singfreedom
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To: weegee

I was pleased to discover that Daryl and Toni are still
married after all these years.


46 posted on 07/31/2008 10:35:25 PM PDT by rahbert
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Obviously, those would have to be the kind of arms in use in 1791, when the Bill of Rights was passed "

Obviously? Don't ever call on HIS right to a Free Press, even though instant mass communication wasn't in 1791 - obviously.

47 posted on 07/31/2008 10:36:41 PM PDT by endthematrix (Congress, Get Off Your Gas, And Drill!)
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To: ozzymandus
“The Worst Person in the World?” It must be a take-off on OReilly’s “Talking Points”, but it sounds SO childish!
48 posted on 07/31/2008 10:42:00 PM PDT by singfreedom
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Mary Lou Sapone infiltrated the executive boards and learned the plans of organizations trying to decrease deaths by gun in this country, and apparently reported it back to organizations like the NRA, which are trying to increase deaths by gun in this country

Considering the NRA has had training programs and safety programs for much of its existence, this ought to be an actionable statement.

Sue them for defamation.

49 posted on 07/31/2008 10:49:18 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The average two-year-old in the midst of throwing a temper tantrum is more rational and logical than Olberman on his best day. The nonsense he spews is so convoluted and inane that counterarguments are futile; it’s like trying to reason with a rabid dog.


50 posted on 07/31/2008 10:52:10 PM PDT by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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