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Anorak fabric a boost for fuel cells
Sydney Morning Times | August 1, 2008 | Deborah Smith

Posted on 07/31/2008 9:50:53 PM PDT by DGHoodini

Can only post link, due to copyright stipulations:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/science/anorak-fabric-a-boost-for-fuel-cells/2008/08/01/1217097479505.html


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: breakthrough; energy; fuelcells; platinum
Slowly, I turned...Step by step... >Bo)
1 posted on 07/31/2008 9:50:54 PM PDT by DGHoodini
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To: DGHoodini

http://www.smh.com.au/news/science/anorak-fabric-a-boost-for-fuel-cells/2008/08/01/1217097479505.html


2 posted on 07/31/2008 10:22:03 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: DGHoodini

Oh and BTW, if my math is correct, that $2,000 for the Platinum, works out to about $50.50 of the Anaorak..if it works out after all. Almost 2 grand off the sticker price right there.


3 posted on 07/31/2008 10:34:17 PM PDT by DGHoodini (Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand)
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To: DGHoodini

It just struck me, that if they vcan develop a system to use sunlight to split water into hydrogen and oxygen, anf if theyt have indeed found a significant amount of water on Mars, this would be able to support a Mars base with not only water, but air, and power, without having to transport it from Earth. Heck, the soil might even be used in a greenhouse to grow food.


4 posted on 07/31/2008 10:41:39 PM PDT by DGHoodini (Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand)
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To: Uncledave

for the renewable energy ping list


5 posted on 07/31/2008 10:49:24 PM PDT by Kevmo (A person's a person, no matter how small. ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo

Didn’t know there was a renewable energy ping list...>:o)

Somebody please put me on it! :)


6 posted on 07/31/2008 10:52:32 PM PDT by DGHoodini (Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand)
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To: DGHoodini; Uncledave

Didn’t know there was a renewable energy ping list...>:o)
Somebody please put me on it! :)
***UncleDave keeps it.

In the meantime, check out the Wiki for Pure Energy Systems:

http://peswiki.com/energy/Main_Page


7 posted on 07/31/2008 11:18:52 PM PDT by Kevmo (A person's a person, no matter how small. ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: DGHoodini

I don’t think they found water on mars. The ‘lab’ doesn’t support the observation that ‘some light colored particles vanished’. They also could have changed color after exposure to elements in the atmosphere.

Besides, even if they do find a few particles of water, it easily could have got there from a comet impacting the planet.
Certainly not anything to begin building a base on mars, what ever purpose that would serve since it’s basically uninhabitable even of there were rivers of water. A waste of money as far as I’m concerned.


8 posted on 08/01/2008 12:11:10 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: DGHoodini

It also doesn’t make sense that frozen water would ‘evaporate’ so fast when it’s what -100c on mars? Now if it were a chunk of frozen co2...


9 posted on 08/01/2008 12:15:16 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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Well that depends on if there really *is* a large anout of water there. Perhaps if there were, converters could be set up, and Mars could be Terraformed over a couple of hundred years...Or more...Ever read ‘Dune’?


10 posted on 08/01/2008 12:24:38 AM PDT by DGHoodini (Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand)
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To: Kevmo

Thaks for the link. Good site..bookmarking it now.


11 posted on 08/01/2008 12:25:37 AM PDT by DGHoodini (Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand)
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To: DGHoodini
"Platinum is about $2000 per ounce and ours is about $2000 a kilo."

I think your math is off.. considerably. A kilo is roughly 1000 lbs, that's 16,000 ounces for $2000. Compared to $2000. per once of platinum. That's .125 cents for an ounce of this gortex material.

How much of a savings that would be depends on how much platinum is used in a car sized fuel cell's electrodes. The savings would be pretty much the total cost of the platinum minus the few cents worth of gortex material.

The problem I suspect they would have using this material is heat would destroy it in a actual fuel cell.

Far as I know, carbon nano tube "cloth" shows a more realistic promise in the world of fuel cell development.

12 posted on 08/01/2008 12:28:36 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: DGHoodini

MIT claims 24/7 solar power [more on new electrolysis claim]
EE Times | 7/31/2008 | R. Colin Johnson
Posted on 07/31/2008 5:48:38 PM PDT by sionnsar
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2054612/posts


13 posted on 08/01/2008 12:28:45 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: Nathan Zachary
Sublimation depends on atmospheric pressure, too, which would be much lower there on Mars.

I was amazed in Grand Forks, ND in 1979 to see how much ice evaporated even though the mercury stayed below zero for a month, and that was with a normal Earth atmospheric pressure.

14 posted on 08/01/2008 12:35:55 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Nathan Zachary

“A kilo is roughly 1000 lbs”

Oh my brain is hurting! Kilo(gram) is 2.2 lbs.


15 posted on 08/01/2008 12:37:21 AM PDT by John Jamieson
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To: DGHoodini
"Mars could be Terraformed over a couple of hundred years...Or more...Ever read ‘Dune’?"

Yes. But remember, it's science fiction.

What would be the point of terraforming a planet that never gets above -100c? even if something could be made to grow in that temperature? It would STILL be uninhabitable by man for many reasons, temperature, gravity, radiaton.

It's near impossible to live at the north pole on earth for any significant length of time, never mind mars with the barest of supplies and shelter.

Maybe in another 500 years or so we can go for a quick visit when we discover warp engines, Scotty. Or learn to open up worm holes, or space portals, or...

16 posted on 08/01/2008 12:38:25 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: John Jamieson

LoL! it’s late.


17 posted on 08/01/2008 12:39:28 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: John Jamieson

I was thinking grams not lbs. That’s what happens when you through ounces and Kilo’s in the same sentence, and it’s 2:45 am.


18 posted on 08/01/2008 12:44:53 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

But it’s our atmosphere that keeps our planet from being either a frosty tundra or a barren dust blown crater magnet.

It keeps the temperatures the way they are, and protects the close in surface. Mars is not all that different otherwise.

Perhaps what it needs to develop an atmosphere, is just a long continual nudge, until it begins to sustain an atmosphere all by itself.


19 posted on 08/01/2008 12:58:47 AM PDT by DGHoodini (Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand)
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To: John Jamieson

Been there...Done that. %o)


20 posted on 08/01/2008 1:02:32 AM PDT by DGHoodini (Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand)
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To: John Jamieson

Besides I *was* a bit off, because I didn’t carry the decimal point out far enough..It’s actually closer to $56.50. ;)


21 posted on 08/01/2008 1:04:40 AM PDT by DGHoodini (Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand)
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kilogram is 1000 grams.


22 posted on 08/01/2008 3:57:10 AM PDT by Waco
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