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NANNY STATE AT IT'S FINEST
NEALZ NUZE ^ | 1 August 2008 | NEAL BOORTZ

Posted on 08/01/2008 1:28:44 PM PDT by Turret Gunner A20

A man in Minneapolis by the name of Tom Kleven is training for a triathlon. You know ... the bike, swim, run ... an exhausting physical accomplishment. So on Tuesday night Tom goes to Lake Nokomis to go for a swim.

When he returned to shore, there are Minneapolis Park Police waiting for him. They are waiting because they wanted to cite Tom with a violation for "swimming too far."

http://kstp.com/article/stories/S529469.shtml?cat=1 p>

Tom was attempting to swim shore to shore, but when he got half way across the lake, a lifeguard ordered him to turn around. When he returned, the officers cited him for a misdemeanor for an unauthorized beach-swim. He now faces a maximum penalty of 90 days in jail and a $1,000 fine.

In the future, if Kevin wants to swim across the lake, he has to go to the government to obtain a $115 permit. Then when he wants to swim, he must be escorted by a lifeguard and a boat while he swims across the lake.

Unbelievable.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: apostropheabuse; boortz; minnesota; nannystate; talkradio

1 posted on 08/01/2008 1:28:44 PM PDT by Turret Gunner A20
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To: Turret Gunner A20

Open water swimming alone doesn’t leave much room for error, but people should be allowed to assume their own risks.


2 posted on 08/01/2008 1:34:16 PM PDT by JTHomes
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To: Turret Gunner A20

What?! How can the government seriously look a citizen in the eye and say this is “good”?

Oh! It’s for my safety! I get it now! How stupid and foolish of me to assume I can look after myself.


3 posted on 08/01/2008 1:34:22 PM PDT by djsherin
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To: Turret Gunner A20

Are we still a free-country?


4 posted on 08/01/2008 1:34:52 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: djsherin

Flip it -

the left doesn’t want to ALLOW you to be responsible for yourself.


5 posted on 08/01/2008 1:36:36 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

So much for “Minnesota Nice.” Minneapolis, the same city that gives their police officers awards for raiding the wrong home and terrorizing an innocent family.


6 posted on 08/01/2008 1:39:47 PM PDT by From The Deer Stand
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To: Turret Gunner A20

Hmmmmmmmm, what communist country did this happen in????


7 posted on 08/01/2008 1:42:02 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (PLEASE PRAY FOR OUR INFIDEL STEPHENJOHNBANKER)
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To: Turret Gunner A20
Are they now citing people who jump to their deaths from bridges, too? I can see the headline now: Family cited in suicide's death due to unauthorized jump from bridge. The article contends that the suicide failed to file the appropriate papers with the DOT/Bridge Division or pay the $500 cost for the permit. Therefore the entire family must spend 90 days in jail or do 250 hours of community service picking up litter along the roadway near said bridge or pay a fine of $5000 (for the rescue of the body), or all three. MAROONS all of them, MAROONS!
8 posted on 08/01/2008 1:44:54 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (Each of us has our own song. When you find yours, it brings you great joy.)
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To: Turret Gunner A20; MplsSteve; Caleb1411

Nice to see Minnesota in the news again. With the misadventures of Jesse the Self-Promoter, Keith Ellison, and Al Franken constantly on display, what’s a little more ignominy?


9 posted on 08/01/2008 1:45:41 PM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

“Tom was attempting to swim shore to shore, but when he got half way across the lake, a lifeguard ordered him to turn around.”

Waitaminnit...

He was HALFWAY across and they made him turn around because it was unsafe for him to swim the entire distance?

Makes sense to me ;-/


10 posted on 08/01/2008 1:49:15 PM PDT by mrs. a (It's a short life but a merry one...)
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To: rockabyebaby
The Peoples Republik of Minnesnowta.

My home, Nanny State, home...

11 posted on 08/01/2008 1:57:16 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

I know this is contrary to popular sentiment, but every year, there are stories of idiot campers getting lost in the mountains in the middle of some blizzard because they were either too incompetent to check the weather, or too incompetent to recognize their own limitations. So taxpayers spend who know how much money and resources trying to save their sorry behinds from their own stupidity. So I’m not totally against the idea of the state requiring some sort of permit before engaging in dangerous activity, especially if the state is fronting the bill for a rescue mission.


12 posted on 08/01/2008 1:59:10 PM PDT by Melpomene
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To: Turret Gunner A20

Damn....I thought swimming in Louisiana was dangerous.


13 posted on 08/01/2008 2:01:44 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

Its finest, not it’s finest.


14 posted on 08/01/2008 2:02:22 PM PDT by olivia3boys
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To: djsherin
I live in the Pacific Northwest. Yes, people should be allowed to do stupid and risky things, but not when it costs big bucks and the lives of others to bring back survivors or the dead.

There have been so many rescues of climbers, dead or alive, during inclement weather off of Mt.Hood, that the families of the dead or rescued are being charged with the tens of thousands of dollars many of those multi-day & night rescues have cost. There was a spectacular helicopter accident that would have been totally unnecessary if the “adventurous” and “experienced” climbers had gone climbing elsewhere, rather than tackling a mountain known to have rapidly changeable weather and treacherous glaciers.

15 posted on 08/01/2008 2:10:27 PM PDT by SatinDoll (Desperately desiring a conservative government.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Geez, if I hadn’t read the article I would swear this was happening in MA, they tax, fine, add a fee to anything and everything possible here!


16 posted on 08/01/2008 2:16:55 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (PLEASE PRAY FOR OUR INFIDEL STEPHENJOHNBANKER)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

Minneapolis is money hungry. 20 months ago the city council quietly changed the rules for the city inspections department.
If your property is cited for anything they wait a month if you comply, but don’t tell anybody they send you an administrative citation for $200. Then a month later it doubles, (with late fees) into $440.
They used to give you several months and then they would only send you a summons for court.
In the last 20 months they have raked in over 3.5 million dollars from poor and low income homeowners, who of course can’t pay the fine so it is assessed to their already too high property taxes which drives up peoples mortgage payments and for some into foreclosure.
A neighbor of mine was cited because his garage door wouldn’t close all the way. He was too old/poor to fix it and the fines eventually ran up to near $10,000. It is now an abandoned eyesore house and due for demolition.

They have become ruthless A—H-—’s and so this story about the swimmer is not very surprising to me.


17 posted on 08/01/2008 2:17:08 PM PDT by READINABLUESTATE (Hold your nose and just do it.)
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To: Melpomene

A couple states skim off a bit of camping and climbing, backcountry permits for the SAR guys kitty.

Oddly enough apparently it’s the SAR guys who don’t want to charge the folks getting lost or in over their heads. At least, some of them. The reason being psychological - “Keep going little Jenny - you can make it! (no shoes, -10 below, snowdrifts) because they are trying to save face or money.

What would torque me off, now that cell-phones are everywhere the number of calls has had to skyrocket. “I’m tired, come and get me”. lol.


18 posted on 08/01/2008 3:29:40 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: SatinDoll
There have been so many rescues of climbers, dead or alive, during inclement weather off of Mt.Hood, that the families of the dead or rescued are being charged with the tens of thousands of dollars many of those multi-day & night rescues have cost.

OK, so what's the problem? If the people that do risky things and have to be rescued, then pay the costs for the rescue, I don't see where we have a problem. It would both discourage risky behavior without outlawing it, and would prevent taxpayers from being on the hook (for all of it). Sounds like a win-win.

Frankly, even if we had to pay for all of these rescues, I would still rather be free. The pattern that has occurred since the welfare state began is this: First, we exist in a state of almost complete freedom, but there are potential consequences. Second, some government busybody decides that consequences are bad, mmmkay, and so we should implement welfare plans, financial bailouts, "free" medical care, etc. Third, the plans that have been implemented in order to remove consequences are now used as an excuse to curtail or end the freedoms that prompted the plans in the first place. Fourth, now we can't do squat without a government permit and "supervision", which means we are all a bunch of kids with government as mommy and daddy.

I would rather just pay the money and be free.
19 posted on 08/01/2008 4:03:10 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak

That is what the article quoted basically said. You can’t swim across that body of water until you paid up front and someone was there to rescue you if you had a problem.


20 posted on 08/01/2008 6:03:18 PM PDT by SatinDoll (Desperately desiring a conservative government.)
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To: SatinDoll
That is what the article quoted basically said. You can’t swim across that body of water until you paid up front and someone was there to rescue you if you had a problem.

That is what the article said, and I don't agree with it. You should be able to swim across that body of water all you want without getting any permits or paying anything up front, or having someone supervise you. If you have to be rescued, then you should get billed. That way, we don't have to go around asking government for permission every time we want to do something.
21 posted on 08/01/2008 6:22:23 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: olivia3boys
Its finest, not it’s finest.

So write Meal a letter about it; it's his headline, not mine.

22 posted on 08/01/2008 6:28:11 PM PDT by Turret Gunner A20 ( At almost 85 YO -- Achieving victim status, one day at a time.)
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To: SatinDoll

And just why should the families of irresponsible idiots be made responmsible for the idiot’s bloody foolishness?


23 posted on 08/01/2008 6:31:10 PM PDT by Turret Gunner A20 ( At almost 85 YO -- Achieving victim status, one day at a time.)
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To: fr_freak; Turret Gunner A20

“...You should be able to swim across that body of water all you want...If you have to be rescued, then you should get billed...”

You pay to play. No use delaying payment to your grieving family. That would be cruel. If you’re such a jerk that you’re capable of doing something to eliminate yourself from the gene pool, hopefully your progeny inherited some common sense and will learn not to be as stupid as dear old Dad.


24 posted on 08/01/2008 7:22:34 PM PDT by SatinDoll (Desperately desiring a conservative government.)
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To: SatinDoll
You pay to play. No use delaying payment to your grieving family. That would be cruel. If you’re such a jerk that you’re capable of doing something to eliminate yourself from the gene pool, hopefully your progeny inherited some common sense and will learn not to be as stupid as dear old Dad.

Wow - that's quite an emotional reaction. Why would this subject have such an emotional component for you?

So anyone who swims in a lake, or hikes in the mountains, or sails in the ocean, where it involves some level of risk, is a jerk? Who are the good guys? The couch potatoes? Are the soldiers that we have overseas jerks for taking the risks they do? Many of those guys are also the same guys who would push themselves to train for a triathalon, and partake of other activities that entail risk.

As for the paying, if you die, recovery costs may be taken out of your estate, but your family can't inherit that debt. So what's the difference if you pay it up front or if it is taken out of your estate? Either way, it's gone.
25 posted on 08/01/2008 7:34:22 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak

How can one be “free” but have to pay “money”? I’m just sayin’.


26 posted on 08/06/2008 4:44:09 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: Freedom4US
How can one be “free” but have to pay “money”? I’m just sayin’.

In the context of my post, I meant that I would prefer the taxpayers fund the rescue efforts and there be no restrictions on the activities that people can engage in, including swimming across the lake, rather than ban all such activities in the name of saving the taxpayers' money.
27 posted on 08/06/2008 6:55:52 PM PDT by fr_freak
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