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Incredible Discoveries Made in Remote Caves
LiveScience ^ | 31 July 2008 | Robert Roy Britt, LiveScience Managing Editor

Posted on 08/02/2008 2:58:56 AM PDT by Fred Nerks

Scientists exploring caves in the bone-dry and mostly barren Atacama Desert in Chile stumbled upon a totally unexpected discovery this week: water.

They also found hundreds of thousands of animal bones in a cave, possibly evidence of some prehistoric human activity.

The findings are preliminary and have not been analyzed.

The expedition is designed to learn how to spot caves on Mars by studying the thermal signatures of caves and non-cave features in hot, dry places here on Earth. Scientists think Martian caves, some of which may already have been spotted from space, could be good places to look for life.

No hot place on Earth is drier than the Atacama Desert. Many parts of the high-plateau desert have never received rain that anyone can remember. Average rainfall across the region is just 1 millimeter per year. (Parts of Antarctica are considered the driest places on Earth, however.)

So nobody was looking for water.

Total surprise

The research team was exploring Cueva Chulacao, the largest known cave in the Cordillera de la Sal. Naturally curious, they took note of things they saw while conducting their primary research. Other than a single black hair that was likely from an indigenous person, this cave was pristine, virgin territory, explained J. Judson Wynne, a cave expert with the SETI Institute and Northern Arizona University.

"There were no footprints where we were going, and I only saw the slightest evidence of human use," Wynne told LiveScience by email Monday night as the day's work was sinking in.

Wynne and his colleagues moved carefully through the cave to place a sensor along the wall, part of their NASA-funded research.

"Much to my surprise, as we moved about halfway through this passage, my foot completely sunk into the soil," Wynne said. "It was mud! ...

(Excerpt) Read more at livescience.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: atacamadesert; bones; caves; chile; cuevachulacao; discovery; geology; godsgravesglyphs; nasa; southamerica; water

Image of ungulate bones observed in the walls of Cuevita de Huesos. The team found "hundreds of thousands of bones and skulls eroding out of the cave walls." Credit: J. Wynne et al. Advertisement

1 posted on 08/02/2008 3:03:01 AM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: Fred Nerks

2 posted on 08/02/2008 3:15:50 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: Fred Nerks
ungulate bones

Not very specific is it? Are we talking horses, pigs, cattle, goats, deer, camels, or what?

3 posted on 08/02/2008 3:21:02 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Obama "King of Kings and Lord of Lords")
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
The findings are preliminary and have not been analyzed.
4 posted on 08/02/2008 3:26:29 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

I suspect that cave detection technology would be useful in other places right here on earth... like the western territories of Pakistan for example.


5 posted on 08/02/2008 3:31:38 AM PDT by Ron/GA
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

All of them. Which leads us again to #2.


6 posted on 08/02/2008 3:37:39 AM PDT by SolidWood (Obamarxislamism, the threat to our Republic!)
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To: SunkenCiv; neverdem; blam

Good stuff.


7 posted on 08/02/2008 3:38:22 AM PDT by djf (Locusts? Locusts??! What a podunk plague! Let me tell you about the Bernankes...)
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To: djf

On site report images:

The Adventures of J. Judson Wynne

http://jjudsonwynne.blogspot.com/


8 posted on 08/02/2008 3:54:20 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

ungulate bones/ Dino found.


9 posted on 08/02/2008 3:55:32 AM PDT by Vaduz (and just think how clean the cities would become again.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Shueee! Don’t tell Al Gore. He might want to add this to his slide show:

What Causes Deserts?

Atacama Desert in Chile

One reason is that the high atmospheric pressure in this region over the Andes can cause dry, cold air from the upper altitudes to compress and come down to earth. This dry air has almost no water vapor so it can be easily heated by the sun, causing high ground temperatures with very low humidity.


10 posted on 08/02/2008 4:35:28 AM PDT by CHEE (Stink, Steam and All)
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To: Vaduz

Drill Atacama. Drill now.


11 posted on 08/02/2008 4:44:19 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (If Hillary is elected, her legacy will be telling the American people: Better put some ice on that.)
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To: Leisler

It’s algore!

LLS


12 posted on 08/02/2008 5:00:43 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (REAGANISM... NOT communism!!!)
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To: Fred Nerks
"We found hundreds of thousands of bones and skulls eroding out of the cave walls," Wynne wrote in his blog. "So, we’ve renamed this small cave Cuevita de Huesos (or Small Cave of the Bones)."

The researchers had to climb about 13 feet up to find a walkable passage.

"This is where we found all the bones mixed in with tree branches," Wynne wrote.

It's not clear if the animals were dumped into the cave by prehistoric people or if perhaps they were trapped by a flood.

Trapped by a flood or, mixed in with tree branches, the consolidated flotsam of a flood?
13 posted on 08/02/2008 5:39:29 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Ron/GA
"I suspect that cave detection technology would be useful in other places right here on earth... like the western territories of Pakistan for example."

An EXCELLENT IDEA!!! Maybe you should forward the info to the CIA.

14 posted on 08/02/2008 6:33:47 AM PDT by LZ_Bayonet (There's Always Something.............And there's always something worse!)
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15 posted on 08/02/2008 6:58:21 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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i don’t understand what’s so “incredible” about finding water in caves.

dry caves, in deserts often have water.

in fact, i’m not a geologist, but having hiked a lot in socal and arizona

i notice water seeping out of cracks of rocks even on the outside of mountains.

very slow. who knows how long it takes water to move under the pressure from the weight of rocks.


16 posted on 08/02/2008 7:09:28 AM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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......who knows how long it takes water to move under the pressure from the weight of rocks.....

If you believe Tony Hillerman, and I do, the Hopi know. They mark the seeps as shrines and monitor them.

In one of his novels involving an air plane crash near Second Mesa, on land disputed by Hopi and Navajo, Jim Chee investigated the sabotage of a new wind mill. The sabotage was by a Hopi who observed the decrease in seepage from an ancient nearby seep.


17 posted on 08/02/2008 7:40:55 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Conservation? Let the NE Yankees freeze.... in the dark)
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To: Fred Nerks
It's not clear if the animals were dumped into the cave by prehistoric people or if perhaps they were trapped by a flood. After all, the expedition is related to figuring out the thermal signatures of Mars caves, and the finding was made just this week.

Maybe they used the cave for drinking water, lived out their lives near the cave, and died there.

18 posted on 08/02/2008 9:17:47 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: bert

interesting.


19 posted on 08/02/2008 9:50:24 AM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: aruanan; SunkenCiv

If these bones were somehow flushed into the cave by water, wouldn’t this mean we’ve found the sewage terminus for South America comparable to New Jersey in North America?


20 posted on 08/02/2008 10:04:26 AM PDT by wildbill ( FR---changing history by erasing it from memory.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Ah, that’s just the Montauk Beast.


21 posted on 08/02/2008 12:21:19 PM PDT by rdl6989 ( I'm a carbon based human being, a Carbonated-American)
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To: aruanan

They could have walked into a cave that is the void of a year-round watering hole in a desert-savannah ecosystem of a different age, watering hole that became a sinkhole that regularly trapped animals looking for water supplies.


22 posted on 08/02/2008 1:02:44 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: JerseyHighlander

Well, I’ll reply to your post because it’s the last one on this interesting thread, and your supposition is as good as several others. bmflr.


23 posted on 08/02/2008 4:38:19 PM PDT by Kevmo (A person's a person, no matter how small. ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: aruanan; SunkenCiv
Trapped by a flood or, mixed in with tree branches, the consolidated flotsam of a flood?

Watched a documentary recently, scientists took a group of miners to Alaska, to dig into the side of a reef by a riverbed. All the bones they uncovered were smashed to pieces...the entire reef was nothing but consolidated bones and sand...

reminds me:

"The great problem for geological theories to explain is that amazing phenomenon, the mingling of the remains of animals of different species and climates, discovered in exhaustless quantities in the interior parts of the earth so that the exuviae of those genera which no longer exist at all, are found confusedly mixed together in the soils of the most northerly latitudes. . . . The bones of those animals which can live only in the torrid zone are buried in the frozen soil of the polar regions.

And to quote one more contemporary, George Fairholme, who described similar evidence in Italy from the Arno River Valley:

In this sandy matrix bones were found at every depth from that of a few feet to a hundred feet or more. From the large and more apparent bones of the elephant, the rhinoceros, the megatherium, the elk, the buffalo, the stag, and so forth, naturalists were led by the elaborate studies of Cuvier and other comparative anatomists to the remains of the now living bear, tiger, wolf, hyena, rabbit, and finally the more minute remains even of the water rat and the mouse.

In some places so complete was the confusion . . . that the bones of many different elephants were brought into contact, and on some of them even oyster shells were matted"...... Catastrophe and Reconstitution Doorway Papers, by Arthur Custance

24 posted on 08/02/2008 5:42:38 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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Cataclysm!: Compelling Evidence of a Cosmic Catastrophe in 9500 B.C. by D.S. Allan and J.B. Delair
This book documents these caves filled with smashed bones all over the world.

http://www.amazon.com/Cataclysm-Compelling-Evidence-Cosmic-Catastrophe/dp/1879181428/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1217740931&sr=1-1


25 posted on 08/02/2008 10:26:04 PM PDT by happygrl
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To: Fred Nerks

I meant to ping you to my post #25 as well. I have read this book by two British scientists. It is crammed with footnoted references to articles published in scientific journals, often 300-400 per chapter.


26 posted on 08/02/2008 10:31:03 PM PDT by happygrl
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To: happygrl

thanks!


27 posted on 08/02/2008 11:51:50 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

ungulate bones==
Llama, alpaca, guanaco, vicuna, camels.


28 posted on 08/03/2008 5:22:44 AM PDT by xcamel (Conservatives start smart, and get rich, liberals start rich, and get stupid.)
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To: Fred Nerks
The researchers had to climb about 13 feet up to find a walkable passage. "This is where we found all the bones mixed in with tree branches," Wynne wrote. It's not clear if the animals were dumped into the cave by prehistoric people or if perhaps they were trapped by a flood.
Yeah, mixed with tree branches. I'm sure the animals must have been dumped by people. ;') Thanks Fred for that excerpt.
29 posted on 08/03/2008 6:19:22 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: wildbill

Not unless these scientists find piles of syringes.


30 posted on 08/03/2008 6:19:48 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: ken21

At perhaps 1 mm per year of rain in the driest desert on Earth, caves won’t fill up with tree branches or bones of 100s of 1000s of animals, because there aren’t any on the surface. Caves and abandoned mines fill up with water when there is rainfall, and due to aquifers, but in the Atacama, even aquifers are rare.


31 posted on 08/03/2008 6:22:37 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: djf

Whoops, thanks djf for the ping. :’)


32 posted on 08/03/2008 6:23:35 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: SunkenCiv

i have no idea. as i said above, i’m not a geologist.

but i hike the deserts and mountains a lot; i see seepage of various amounts from mountains. obviously the american southwest is not atacama.

also, there are underground rivers here in the southwest that most people don’t know about.


33 posted on 08/03/2008 6:29:29 AM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Placemark


34 posted on 08/03/2008 7:15:50 AM PDT by misanthrope (Liberals just plain suck!!)
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To: xcamel
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I defer to your expertise!

35 posted on 08/03/2008 11:19:37 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Obama "King of Kings and Lord of Lords")
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To: ken21

I seem to recall a segment years ago on “Unsolved Mysteries” regarding an underground river in Nevada.


36 posted on 08/03/2008 11:02:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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