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AIDS Infection Rate in U.S. Higher Than Previously Estimated
Washington Post ^ | August 2, 2008 | David Brown

Posted on 08/02/2008 12:22:48 PM PDT by neverdem

Updated federal estimates of the annual number of new HIV infections in the United States, released today, reveal that while the AIDS epidemic here is worse than previously thought, prevention efforts appear to be having some effect.

Even though the number of Americans living with HIV has risen by more than a quarter million people since 1998 -- largely the result of life-extending antiretroviral drugs -- the number of new cases each year has declined slightly over that period. That suggests that a person's likelihood of transmitting the virus to someone else is substantially lower now than it was a decade ago.

The new, if indirect, evidence that prevention programs are paying off was one of the few encouraging findings in an update on the American AIDS epidemic released today by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on the eve of the 17th International AIDS Conference, in Mexico City.

"Over 95 percent of people living with HIV are not transmitting to someone else in a given year," said David R. Holtgrave, an expert on AIDS prevention at the Bloomberg School of Public Health at Johns Hopkins University. "What that says is the transmission rate has been kept very low by prevention efforts."

Those include targeting public health messages to high-risk groups, promoting widespread AIDS testing, and getting quick medical care for newly diagnosed cases, which in most cases lowers the person's infectiousness.

The CDC spends about...

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The epidemic in the black community is distinctly different from the national epidemic.

From 2001 to 2005, 38 percent of the new diagnoses in African Americans were in women, and 46 percent of new infections overall were from heterosexual contact. Among whites during the same period, 16 percent of new infections were in women, and 16 percent were from heterosexual transmission...

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


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KEYWORDS: aids; cdc; health; hiv; hivaids; homosexualagenda; obama; obamatruthfile; prolife; publichealth; riskybehavior
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I couldn't find anything new at JAMA. They need to find out what's happening with blacks. Is it immunological, or is it more "down low" behavior than they are willing to admit?

1 posted on 08/02/2008 12:22:48 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

HIV and AIDS is only about behavior.


2 posted on 08/02/2008 12:28:09 PM PDT by donna ( I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth. - Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: neverdem

Minorities hit hardest looks to be true in this case.


3 posted on 08/02/2008 12:28:46 PM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Stentor; Marty; Fractal Trader; DaveLoneRanger; metmom; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; John Valentine; ...

If you would like to be added to the RETHINKING AIDS PING LIST drop me a FReepmail.

AIDS is the biggest public health scam in medical history. Like global warming, AIDS is being used to push a powerful leftist political agenda. For over two decades the Public Health Establishment has used your tax dollars and the full power of the federal government to wage a massive propaganda (and intimidation) campaign designed to (A) dupe the American public into believing that HIV is the cause of AIDS (B) scare the public into thinking "we are all at risk" (C) coverup the extreme toxicity of AIDS chemotherapy drugs (which are not just used on "fast-track" gays and junkies, but also given to pregnant mothers, infants, and children) (D) use this fear to push a leftist social agenda that includes socialized medicine, and the promotion of homosexuality and explicit sex "education" to tender-aged school children (E) use their "public health mandate" to bypass the authority of parents and local school boards who object to their social engineering schemes (F) create a massive federal bureaucracy encouraging the use of addictive drugs, to include prescription heroine (G) use threats and intimidation to silence dissenting scientists and to keep the press from covering the debate (H) and finally, to use AIDS as a model to push similar social agendas with respect to future epidemics.

Every single point above can be documented on my profile page.


5 posted on 08/02/2008 12:36:31 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: donna
HIV and AIDS is only about behavior.

By that token, so are most diseases. You won't get tetanus if you avoid deep skin punctures, and you probably won't get the common cold if you avoid crowds and wash your hands frequently.

6 posted on 08/02/2008 12:37:21 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: GodGunsGuts

If HIV isn’t the cause of AIDS, then what is?


7 posted on 08/02/2008 12:40:27 PM PDT by xDGx
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To: xDGx
For a crash course written in laymen's terms, go to my profile page.
8 posted on 08/02/2008 12:43:55 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: neverdem

By correlation, does this mean there are more queers that reported?


9 posted on 08/02/2008 12:45:50 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Conservation? Let the NE Yankees freeze.... in the dark)
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To: GodGunsGuts

How about an explanation in non-Layman’s terms?

If HIV is not the source of AIDS, then what is?


10 posted on 08/02/2008 12:48:11 PM PDT by xDGx
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To: neverdem
"AIDS Infection Rate in U.S. Higher Than Previously Estimated"


Because there are more homosexuals, bi-sexuals, and metrosexuals than previously estimated.



11 posted on 08/02/2008 12:48:27 PM PDT by G.Mason (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: neverdem
prevention efforts appear to be having some effect...Those include targeting public health messages to high-risk groups, promoting widespread AIDS testing, and getting quick medical care for newly diagnosed cases, which in most cases lowers the person's infectiousness.

Looks like they are targeting the gay and intravenouses drug user communities,and yet the infections are higher,maybe those groups don't want to change their behavior.

12 posted on 08/02/2008 12:49:57 PM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served,to keep us free)
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To: Alter Kaker

“By that token, so are most diseases. You won’t get tetanus if you avoid deep skin punctures, and you probably won’t get the common cold if you avoid crowds and wash your hands frequently”

Maybe she should have said HIV and AIDS is about unnatural, abnormal, immoral, filthy, disease riddled behavior.

My son had to get stitches the other day for a skateboarding accident where sharp metal went through his calf. He’s out skateboarding right now with stitches in his leg. Tetanus shots up to date. Normal, natural childhood behavior.


13 posted on 08/02/2008 12:50:33 PM PDT by LaurenD
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To: xDGx

How about an explanation in non-Layman’s terms?...If HIV is not the source of AIDS, then what is?

I’m glad you asked. Prof. Peter Duesberg’s most recent paper on AIDS summarizes the evidence against the HIV/AIDS hypothesis, and points to the evidence the suggests the real cause(s) of AIDS.

http://www.duesberg.com/papers/chemical-bases.html


14 posted on 08/02/2008 12:52:02 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Kevin de Cock

It can't be.

15 posted on 08/02/2008 12:52:37 PM PDT by Wiggins
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To: Wiggins

I LOL’d when I first saw that too. LOLing again...GGG


16 posted on 08/02/2008 12:53:56 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: LaurenD
Maybe she should have said HIV and AIDS is about unnatural, abnormal, immoral, filthy, disease riddled behavior.

You're most likely to get HIV through certain behaviors, but you can also get it from monogamous heterosexual sex, from blood transfusions, organ transplants, etc. I don't think it does anybody any good to pretend that everyone with HIV/AIDS has engaged in sodomy or drug use.

17 posted on 08/02/2008 12:55:12 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: G.Mason
Because there are more homosexuals, bi-sexuals, and metrosexuals than previously estimated

No, it is because the CDC is gearing up for the next big AIDS extravaganza and needs some alarmist news to make a headline and remind congressmen to vote them more funds. The tipoff is the false attribution of 16% to heterosexual activity. What they mean is 16% among heterosexual IV drug abusers.

18 posted on 08/02/2008 12:56:08 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Alter Kaker

That’s good answer. Wallow in filth and body fluids everyday, drink contaminated water and eat rotten food. It’s just six of one and half a dozen of the other.


19 posted on 08/02/2008 12:56:30 PM PDT by donna (Pres. Bush: Pardon Ramos and Compean.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
create a massive federal bureaucracy encouraging the use of addictive drugs, to include prescription heroine

Needle exchange is one thing. Show me prescription heroin.

20 posted on 08/02/2008 12:58:32 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: donna
HIV and AIDS is only about behavior.

Correct. They and other STDs are diseases of "CHOICE", you make the wrong choices and ...............

21 posted on 08/02/2008 1:01:14 PM PDT by fella (.He that followeth after vain persons shall have poverty enough." Pv.28:19')
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To: GodGunsGuts
I’m glad you asked. Prof. Peter Duesberg’s most recent paper on AIDS summarizes the evidence against the HIV/AIDS hypothesis, and points to the evidence the suggests the real cause(s) of AIDS. http://www.duesberg.com/papers/chemical-bases.html

Duesberg's claims have been rejected by the scientific community and are not supported by data.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duesberg_hypothesis

HIV as a cause of AIDS meets Koch's postulates.

http://www.niaid.nih.gov/Factsheets/evidhiv.htm

22 posted on 08/02/2008 1:03:41 PM PDT by xDGx
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To: Alter Kaker

“I don’t think it does anybody any good to pretend that everyone with HIV/AIDS has engaged in sodomy or drug use.”

No, but those who have it and didn’t engage in one of those two behaviors were infected because of those who have.

I’m a nurse that has been stuck with a dirty needle twice so I can appreciate the tragedy of being infected in that way. Thank God, neither of the male patients had HIV because if one of them had, I might not be here right now, my last child wouldn’t have been born, my two sons wouldn’t have a mother, and my husband would be raising them alone. Unless he remarried of course but I don’t think he would. Point is, a lot of people have died and terrible pain and tragedy has been inflicted upon innocent people and family because of the destructive and selfish behavior of others.


23 posted on 08/02/2008 1:04:11 PM PDT by LaurenD
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To: GodGunsGuts
Have you seen this?
24 posted on 08/02/2008 1:05:01 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: neverdem
==Needle exchange is one thing. Show me prescription heroin.

Excerpt from THE HIDDEN AGENDA BEHIND HIV:

 

Other public health officials have been even more forthright. As an officer of the Centers for Disease Control, Donald Francis had in 1984 drafted the CDC’s proposed AIDS strategy. In his 1992 retirement speech at the agency’s Atlanta, Georgia headquarters, Francis voiced the ambitions held by many of his fellow officers in describing “the opportunity that the HIV epidemic provides for public health” (JAMA, 9-16-92). He stated in no uncertain terms the radical nature of the plan:

The cloistered caution of the past needs to be discarded. The climate and culture must be open ones where old ideas are challenged. Those who desire the status quo should seek employment elsewhere. The American HIV prevention program should be the place where the best and the brightest come, where the action is, where history is being made. This is the epidemic of the century, and every qualified person should want to have a piece of the action.

The “action” described by Francis was a set of programs that would, as he fully recognized, need strong political protection from angry taxpayers and voters. For example, he bitterly attacked public opposition to condom distribution programs, and called for powerful legal measures to bypass parental discretion. “The ongoing controversies involving abstincence and condoms typify the morass into which schools can fall,” Francis complained. “If, in the opinion of those far more expert than I, schools cannot be expected to provide such programs, then health departments should take over, using as a justification their mandate to protect the public’s health.”

Francis also included proposals for dealing with the AIDS risk of intravenous drug use — including a call for “prescription of addicting drugs” with Federal government sponsorship. Even libertarians who advocate legalizing drugs would balk at such notions, which would ultimately create a massive bureaucracy encouraging drug use. “Following a more enlightened model for drug treatment, including prescribing heroin, would have dramatic effects on HIV and could eliminate many of the dangerous illegal activites surrounding drugs,” he insisted, knowing that only fear of the AIDS epidemic might make such proposals tolerable to the public. Ignoring the toxic, and possibly AIDS-inducing, effects of drugs, Francis emphasized that “In addition to treatment, safe injection [!] must be stressed both for those in treatment programs and those out of treatment. The provision of sterile injection equipment for drug users should be the standard of public health practice in the United States.”

Most chillingly of all, Francis saw the possibilities in harnessing other epidemics to advance similar agendas. As he put it, “if we establish new mechanisms to handle the HIV epidemic, [these] can serve as models for other diseases.”

25 posted on 08/02/2008 1:08:58 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Unbelievable, but LOL.


26 posted on 08/02/2008 1:10:12 PM PDT by Wiggins
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To: GodGunsGuts

That is excellent work GGG, I’ve read your page. We have literally smothered this issue in $$ and to what avail??


27 posted on 08/02/2008 1:13:11 PM PDT by brushcop (We remember SSG Harrison Brown, PVT Andrew Simmons B CO 2/69 3ID KIA Iraq OIF IV)
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To: xDGx

Yes, I have read all those (and many, many more). Rethinking AIDS scientists have shredded their arguments long ago, and continue to do so now. You are correct to point out they are in the minority, but the movement to challenge the HIV/AIDS hypothesis is growing all the time, both in the scientific and medical communities, and in the general public. And besides, science is not decided by majority opinion. Indeed, just think the state science would be in if it was decided by majority vote!


28 posted on 08/02/2008 1:16:52 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Good science is decided by meeting certain tests. Koch’s is an excellent example of clearly identifying a pathogen.

I happen to agree with a good deal of what you have written, but not on the source angle. HIV is well-defined, and repeatable as causation. Recreational drugs as a source of an autoimmune disorder is just not supported by the data.


29 posted on 08/02/2008 1:22:45 PM PDT by xDGx
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To: GodGunsGuts

That’s a proposal from 1992 for prescription heroin by an official since retired. It was never enacted. Get real. HIV & AIDS is real. Global warming from the sun has stopped.


30 posted on 08/02/2008 1:22:49 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: brushcop
==That is excellent work GGG, I’ve read your page. We have literally smothered this issue in $$ and to what avail??

Thanks. It's nice to get a little encouragement here and there. I have been steadily adding new people to my Rethinking AIDS ping list, and yet I haven't heard a peep from almost anybody. Perhaps they are still in the learning phase. As for smothering this issue with $$$, it's worse than to no avail...if you take the time to understand AIDS Rethinker scientists and medical doctors, they maintain all that $$$ is actually maiming and killing people via the chemotherapy drugs they are using to treat so-called AIDS patients. Very sad. Needless to say, you can't keep the truth bottled up forever. Someday, in the not to distant future, there will be a reckoning. And the longer it takes, the bigger that reckoning will be.

All the best—GGG

31 posted on 08/02/2008 1:26:55 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: neverdem

It’s behavior.

Gangsta behavior/prison/gansta behavior


32 posted on 08/02/2008 1:29:53 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: neverdem

==That’s a proposal from 1992 for prescription heroin by an official since retired. It was never enacted. Get real. HIV & AIDS is real. Global warming from the sun has stopped.

I said the AIDS/public health establishment has been “pushing” for these measures, not that they have enacted all of them. Big difference. As for getting real...HIV is real (but harmless). The diseases associated with AIDS are real diseases, but they are not caused by HIV. As for Global Warming, I couldn’t agree more.


33 posted on 08/02/2008 1:32:48 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: xDGx
One of Peter Duesberg’s assertions is that the drugs used to fight HIV causes the symptoms of AIDS and that the HIV is harmless.
Logically if the use of drugs that reduce the viral load prolongs life or health and the NONUSE of such drugs leads to AIDS at an earlier date then a prima facia case could be made for HIV as the cause of AIDS. Here is study that demonstrated just that.
“1: N Engl J Med. 1987 Jul 23;317(4):185-91.Links
The efficacy of azidothymidine (AZT) in the treatment of patients with AIDS and AIDS-related complex. A double-blind, placebo-controlled trial.
Fischl MA, Richman DD, Grieco MH, Gottlieb MS, Volberding PA, Laskin OL, Leedom JM, Groopman JE, Mildvan D, Schooley RT, et al.
We conducted a double-blind, placebo-controlled trial of the efficacy of oral azidothymidine (AZT) in 282 patients with the acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) manifested by Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia alone, or with advanced AIDS-related complex. The subjects were stratified according to numbers of T cells with CD4 surface markers and were randomly assigned to receive either 250 mg of AZT or placebo by mouth every four hours for a total of 24 weeks. One hundred forty-five subjects received AZT, and 137 received placebo. When the study was terminated, 27 subjects had completed 24 weeks of the study, 152 had completed 16 weeks, and the remainder had completed at least 8 weeks. Nineteen placebo recipients and 1 AZT recipient died during the study (P less than 0.001). Opportunistic infections developed in 45 subjects receiving placebo, as compared with 24 receiving AZT. The base-line Karnofsky performance score and weight increased significantly among AZT recipients (P less than 0.001). A statistically significant increase in the number of CD4 cells was noted in subjects receiving AZT (P less than 0.001). After 12 weeks, the number of CD4 cells declined to pretreatment values among AZT recipients with AIDS but not amonG AZT recipients with AIDS-related complex. Skin-test anergy was partially reversed in 29 percent of subjects receiving AZT, as compared with 9 percent of those receiving placebo (P less than 0.001). These data demonstrate that AZT administration can decrease mortality and the frequency of opportunistic infections in a selected group of subjects with AIDS or AIDS-related complex, at least over the 8 to 24 weeks of observation in this study.
PMID: 3299089 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]”
Notice the difference between those who received placebos and those who received AZT.
In an interview Duesberg recommended those taking such drugs cease taking them!
If someone thinks that HIV is harmless let them take an injction of the virus. Any volunteers?
34 posted on 08/02/2008 1:33:00 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: xDGx
Tell me, have you thoroughly researched the scientific papers written by AIDS Rethinker scientists? I can honestly tell you I have thoroughly researched both sides, and AIDS Rethinker scientists tear the arguments of the AIDS establishment scientists to smithereens.
35 posted on 08/02/2008 1:36:25 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: neverdem
Interesting timing for this “revelation”...

Just after our asinine government committed another $48bils to “fight” AIDS in Africa.

I guess the domestic gay lobby wants to get a bigger chunk of the trough.

36 posted on 08/02/2008 1:38:06 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: Wiggins

The AIDS scam has been going on since the early and mid 80s. Homosexuals and their dishonest apologists working to make the public believe that anyone could contract AIDS....homosexuality was not a factor which truly increased risk. Naturally the point was to convince the American people that vast amounts of money had to be spent to find a cure, for everyone was at risk! The wealth of the homosexual community translates itself into political pull and facts go out the window. SOP.


37 posted on 08/02/2008 1:48:51 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: count-your-change
PMID: 3299089 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

I used to use MEDLINE when it was updated monthly by new CD-ROMs. Then I could retrieve a citation by entering its unique identifier with an entry like UI: 3299089 into the query box. When I try PMID: 3299089 at PubMed, I get nada. Do you know what I'm doing wrong?

38 posted on 08/02/2008 1:52:31 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: raybbr

Somehow I missed your reply. The story is absolutely correct, and the message has been repeated by AIDS Rethinker scientists and medical doctors for decades now. But nobody in the AIDS establishment has been willing to listen. There are a few scientific papers that are belatedly recognizing that poverty and malnutrition are one of the chief causes of “AIDS” in Africa. The fact that they were even allowed to be published at all suggests that the AIDS establishment is finally on the threshold of recognizing the obvious.


39 posted on 08/02/2008 1:54:12 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: neverdem

No I don’t, I just copied the reference. I just now typed Medline PMID: 3299089 into google and it took me right to a site. Try it.


40 posted on 08/02/2008 2:00:54 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change; xDGx

Have you bothered to read what AIDS Rethinker scientists have dug up on AZT? The paper you cited (and many others of a similar nature) has been refuted dozens of times.


41 posted on 08/02/2008 2:04:35 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Tell me, have you thoroughly researched the scientific papers written by AIDS Rethinker scientists? I can honestly tell you I have thoroughly researched both sides, and AIDS Rethinker scientists tear the arguments of the AIDS establishment scientists to smithereens.

All one needs to read is Duesberg's "paper" in an Indian Medical Journal:

http://www.duesberg.com/papers/chemical-bases-various-aids-epidemics.pdf

By the end he is not discussing science but rather crying about peer review and whining about an unfair system trying to censor his 'research'. It's more conspiracy theory ramblings than good science. To add to that, the people privately funding him are a bunch of Paulbots, listed at the end of his diatribe, and one wouldn't be surprised if they thought 9/11 was an inside job too.

http://fundrace.huffingtonpost.com/neighbors.php?type=name&lname=Kennedy&fname=Michael+S.&search=Search

http://fundrace.huffingtonpost.com/neighbors.php?type=name&lname=Morrill&fname=Christopher

http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?city=Danville++++++++++&st=CA&last=LEPPO&first=ROBERT

HIV is real, AIDS is real, and they are connected. They emerged from the same hellhole that has graced us with Ebola, Marburg, monkeypox and heaven knows what else nature can brew up with man and monkeys living in proximity.

42 posted on 08/02/2008 2:04:56 PM PDT by xDGx
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To: TASMANIANRED; GodGunsGuts
Gangsta behavior/prison/gansta behavior

I think that may explain part of it, but I haven't seen citations supporting it with hard data. I wonder if it has to with chemokine(sp?) coreceptors ccr5 or cxcr4.

Historic exposure to plague and present-day frequency of CCR5del32 in two isolated island communities of Dalmatia, Croatia.

I entered (ccr5 or cxcr4) and bubonic plague into PubMed's query box. That was one of 16 hits involving CCR5.

43 posted on 08/02/2008 2:11:56 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: xDGx

==HIV is real, AIDS is real, and they are connected. They emerged from the same hellhole that has graced us with Ebola, Marburg, monkeypox and heaven knows what else nature can brew up with man and monkeys living in proximity.

Can you be more specific. Are you saying that AIDS was originally spread by monkeys?


44 posted on 08/02/2008 2:12:05 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: count-your-change; xDGx

PS c-y-c, it would be nice if you could simply make a point, rather than issuing (badly formatted) quote bombs. Make SPECIFIC arguments, cite your sources, and I will be glad to engage.


45 posted on 08/02/2008 2:15:16 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: neverdem

If HIV is completely harmless/does not cause AIDS, you might as well be talking about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.


46 posted on 08/02/2008 2:18:50 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

I keep hearing that from you but what I read are long winded rants against this or that but nothing of value. On the other tread I left much of what I posted here but since you’re convinced that HIV has nothing to with AIDS the only possible explanation for all the studies contrary to your beliefs is a conspiracy.
So which one of those “dozens of times” studies would like me to read?


47 posted on 08/02/2008 2:19:16 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

I am stating (and have NIAID’s link above) that proves by every modern scientific test that HIV is causative of AIDS.

Genomes were identified as early as 1959 in plasma samples taken from a man in the Congo. HIV is highly likely to have been a derivative of SIV. Zoonosis is not uncommon when you have a bunch of people hunting and eating monkeys.


48 posted on 08/02/2008 2:20:35 PM PDT by xDGx
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To: count-your-change

LOL! Thanks for the feedback.


49 posted on 08/02/2008 2:20:41 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: neverdem

If you sit down, keep your mouth shut and don’t stick things in your body that don’t belong there, chances are good that you won’t contact HIV/AIDS.


50 posted on 08/02/2008 2:30:41 PM PDT by xrmusn
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