Skip to comments.Obama Makes Major Error On Drilling (Nutroots discouraged)
Posted on 08/02/2008 3:19:30 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
To pile on Matt's earlier post, Obama's flip on drilling strikes me as a major error. Even when analyzing it entirely as a political move, where the specifics of the legislation and the popularity of drilling are irrelevant, it still comes off very poorly. Straight up, it just looks like he caved. That is a terrible image for any politician to radiate.
It isn't about moving to the left, right and center. It is about not moving away from yourself. That looks bad, no matter what the bill is, and no matter how popular is may be.
This won't help him get elected. This will do the opposite. Last week, after the Berlin speech, I thought there was no way Obama could lose the election. Now, I worry it might be a toss-up.
About the only thing that could save Obama in this case is that McCain did the exact same thing on this issue earlier in the year. So, they look equally bad, and it is mentioned in the coverage:
Republican rival John McCain, who earlier dropped his opposition to offshore drilling, has been criticizing Obama on the stump and in broadcast ads for clinging to his opposition as gasoline prices topped $4 a gallon. But, that is in the third paragraph, while title reads "Obama shifts, says he may back offshore drilling."
Oh yeah, it is a really sucky idea, too. While allowing Republicans to go through with all of their sucky ideas has actually been an electoral boon for Democrats of late, since the ideas cause major problems. Then again, there is also the problem that those ideas cause major problems. In this case, Obama will help the creation of a major problem along, but actually receive a negative electoral benefit from it. And that is a big-time political error.
They just don't get it, do they? Solar, wind, ethanol and all that won't get the job done, neither will tune ups and proper tire inflation.
The choice couldn't be more drastic.
Obambi was painted into a corner. He chose to throw his supporters under the bus so he can chase some of the swing votes.
Hard to see this working out well for him.
The democrat national convention will be interesting.
plus, the poor this time truly are disproportionately affected. The Democrats are starving the poor with the commodities run-up, and encouraging less technically capable and less environmentally careful exploration in other places around the world.
Just you wait. The Clintons have something up their sleeves, and this could be the biggest backstab since Judas turned on Jesus.
**The democrat national convention will be interesting.**
To show my mean spirited, cold hearted side, I hope 2008 Dem Convention makes the ‘68 Convention look like a “CHURCH PICNIC”.
With the attitudes of the Liberal Stalinist Left, I’m expecting to see a “BODY COUNT” outside this convention.
I can’t wait to hear how Pelosi and Reid react. Will they openly oppose the the presumed democratic nominee?
The question is whether the political benefit of supporting drilling will be less than the political fall out from being viewed as a flip flopper. Unfortunately, with the media’s assistance, he will probably weather the storm.
I’m afriad there might be a body count inside the DemocRATic Convention....let’s just hope nothing happens to the annointed one! Seriously, no sarcasm intended. I hate to see him have a deadly wound healed!
It’s the timing that matters...The Dems go on vacation with no solution and VOILA....Obama the Messiah comes up with the solution...
I’m sure Pelosi and Reid are grateful to Obama to be left holding the bag.
The Gang of 10 proposal isn’t so much about drilling as it is about taxing the oil companies. Obama never met a tax he didn’t lurve.
Methinks if McCain just keeps campainging well (which he’s been doing lately), pushing drilling, running his ads, and we just sit back, observe, and vote, that Obama will dig himself into a hole and get beat pretty badly come November.
That should read:
Obama never met a tax he didnt hike.
I completely disagree.
Obama stalling on flipping would be a major mistake. Every American knows we need to drill and he is going to tell us to inflate our tires until election day?
It's all about timing
Obama flips on the most important issue facing this country just as the do nothing Congress leaves town? Right!
Now that he has flipped his position, he has 5 weeks to be open about drilling, re-defining the fine socialist nuances of why he, "the one", knows what plan will work best for America.
When the Congress reconvenes, you will find the dems are ready to pass drilling legislation with a Obama plan, which will look very much like a McCain plan.
Obama will be the hero, living up to his "oneness"
Don't ever forget, the rat party needs Obama to get filibuster proof majorities in both the House and Senate.
They will play the game by his rules, he waited to get Congress out of D.C. so he can manipulate the events when they come back
Pelosi knows it Reid knows it. Both these assclown must be gritting their teeth playing by the magic negro rules. Acting like morons spouting inanities about saving the planet and other horseshit
I think ol’ hillary is going to bide her time and mount a challange in ‘12-regardless of who wins in Nov. She will challange an incumbent sitting dem-of that I have NO doubt. It will be Carter\Kennedy ‘80 all over again, but I think she pulls it off.
The writer is a bozo. He takes Obambi’s flip-flop at face value, ignoring the fact that DEMOCRATS LIE!! This flip-flop of Obabi’s is just for effect; he has no intention of allowing off-shore or any other kind of drilling, or, if he does, it’ll be hidebound with so many regulations that oil companies will never be able to comply.
One was the surge and the drop in recent polls reflects the American people losing their confidence in BHO. Now, the number one issue in this election again has him and his compatriots on the wrong side with the American people. His change now in light of his tire pressure solution reveals to the electorate that he does not exude self confidence and that translate into weakness. Critical thinking Americans will not elect a weak minded CIC. Not in this day and time in world affairs. He is toast....
Don't ever forget, the rat party needs Obama to get filibuster proof majorities in both the House and Senate so they will never take a position opposite their messiah, hence the stall for drilling until he moved
Now that would be a great visual.
LOL, very creative
The KosNazis seem to be silent about it. I think the clinical term is “denial”.
And that is why the President needs to call a special session NOW!
“Just you wait. The Clintons have something up their sleeves”
I can’t wait. I hope the Clintons nail him good. He deserves to come face to face with himself.
Props go to Monkapotamus.
Obama should be beaten soundly with a moderately competent campaign.
The energy issue is a godsend if we will use it.
It’s like a Jimmy Carter moment.
“Wear a sweater, turn down the thermostat!”
Its not a flip at all.
Obama is “talking the talk” but he didn’t press his own party people to “walk the walk” and stay in session to get things done.
McCain and the GOP can’t let him off the hook. The no-drill position is a loser, and without actual action by Obama to get it done its only meaningless words. Obama certainly has the influence to get Pelosi and Reid to move on energy but has chosen not to.
“Unfortunately, with the medias assistance, he will probably weather the storm.”
Unfortunately, you’re right. America could survive an Obama presidency, but not a media that could literally put anyone in the White House.
There are no filibusters in the House - simply majority is needed.
In the Senate, the filibuster is a Senate Rule, not a Constitutional requirement. Hence it can be overturned by a simple majority vote.
The Congress really can be broken down to 50%+1 for all victories, if desired. And if the Obamassiah wins, you can bet the Party of Slavery, the Democrats, will rescind the filibuster in the Senate and run roughshod over this great nation.
You got it popman. It is a setup. Now he can psychobabble about compromise. Meanwhile the bill won’t pass because only the gang of ten will vote for it. A win-win for oblahma, the media and the dems. The repubs in that gang are STOOPID!!!! They should of hammered the dems until they crumbled. Which they would of. Now they lose the issue. It was the only good one they had. How dumb can repubs get...No wonder we are in such a mess.
I read a thread the other day where Hillary will not allow her name to be placed on nomination. However, that doesn’t mean that her delegates can’t give her votes from the floor when the states roll is called.
I would agree, but in reading the section in Article II section 3:
He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.
Bold is mine. I'm not so sure $4.00 gas would be considered "extraordinary Occasions" and the language speaks of a disagreement between the Congress as a reason to convene them, which has not happened, both majorities are in complete agreement to screw the American public
Also, I would imagine the "rat" leadership would ask the SCOTUS to make a ruling on bush authority to do so, causing a constitutional crisis
I don't think Bush will do it for those reasons
Im afriad there might be a body count inside the DemocRATic Convention....lets just hope nothing happens to the annointed one! Seriously, no sarcasm intended. I hate to see him have a deadly wound healed!
Ooooooo ... a scary thought. And if that happens, and I’m still here, I’ll know I was wrong about the Pretribulation Rapture Theory.
Have you noticed that one of their favorite pejoratives is 'sucky'? How's Obama polling with th High School vote, anyway?
That was my point after all.
As for the house having a filibuster, I know they don't but if the dems gain any more seats on Obama coat tails in November, we will be in worse shape than ever
You got it ass backwards.
Pelosi and Reid have been waiting on the messiah to move his position from no drilling to nuanced drilling
They have all their hopes and dreams on him winning in November so they cannot take a position as important as drilling if he is not for it. They can't leave him flapping in the breeze being the complete suit he is.
Now that he has "flipped" they can come back in November with a Obama plan to drill, which will be the same position as McCain plan except Obama will be the hero
*IF, we are going to truly defend Israel as her ally, we need to be able to supply our own domestic energy.
*IF, Iran does drop a nuke or worse nukes and Israel responds in kind, we MUST be ready domestically to deal with the energy crisis this will create.
Allies of islam have already aligned for these two scenarios and probably others which will reach to Nigeria and other oil supplying nations.
America without energy is a paper tiger. We will sacrifice, struggle etc. and then what? Democrats will tell us to “inflate our tires?”
No, these traitors to our National Security must be stopped. $4.00 gasoline is the tool to get the American people to act. There is a much more sinister picture than just gasoline. It is heating oil, it is natural gas, it is industry, economy, plastics, products, production, interstate transportation, and food.
I feel our country is in imminent danger both at home and overseas.
I’m stocking up on popcorn.
No bones to pick there
My only concern is a future POTUS (like Obama) using, as a precedent this event, if Bush actually does call them back, to harass the Congress to do his bidding in the future since this isn't done according to the letter of the law.
Because they are delusional, liars, frauds, and hypocrites? These sissies will be whining the loudest when they lose all their conveniences.
Something needs to be done to stop the EnvironMENTALists!
My sister predicted that she will have to pay around $6,000 for heating oil this year. And it will be the same next year, and the year after that, and for decades if we don’t do someting NOW.
If Clinton didn’t ban drilling around ten years ago, we would have reasonably-priced oil now.
“I think ol hillary is going to bide her time and mount a challange in 12-regardless of who wins in Nov. She will challange an incumbent sitting dem-of that I have NO doubt. It will be Carter\Kennedy 80 all over again, but I think she pulls it off.”
I think she’d pull it off too... Regardless of whether or not she’s any better, Obama is unprepared for the challenges facing this country. Anyone will look better than him come 2012, should he win. Half of America could get blown up and his cult would still rave about him, but I think it’s safe to say that most Americans will ensure he’s a one term president at worst.
The writing was terrible, but I was gratified to to hear that dumb, dim, lib, Dems are beginning to second guess “The Annointed One”, too.