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Obama Makes Major Error On Drilling (Nutroots discouraged)
Open Left ^ | August 2, 2008 | Chris Bowers

Posted on 08/02/2008 3:19:30 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

To pile on Matt's earlier post, Obama's flip on drilling strikes me as a major error. Even when analyzing it entirely as a political move, where the specifics of the legislation and the popularity of drilling are irrelevant, it still comes off very poorly. Straight up, it just looks like he caved. That is a terrible image for any politician to radiate.

It isn't about moving to the left, right and center. It is about not moving away from yourself. That looks bad, no matter what the bill is, and no matter how popular is may be.

This won't help him get elected. This will do the opposite. Last week, after the Berlin speech, I thought there was no way Obama could lose the election. Now, I worry it might be a toss-up.

About the only thing that could save Obama in this case is that McCain did the exact same thing on this issue earlier in the year. So, they look equally bad, and it is mentioned in the coverage:

Republican rival John McCain, who earlier dropped his opposition to offshore drilling, has been criticizing Obama on the stump and in broadcast ads for clinging to his opposition as gasoline prices topped $4 a gallon. But, that is in the third paragraph, while title reads "Obama shifts, says he may back offshore drilling."

Oh yeah, it is a really sucky idea, too. While allowing Republicans to go through with all of their sucky ideas has actually been an electoral boon for Democrats of late, since the ideas cause major problems. Then again, there is also the problem that those ideas cause major problems. In this case, Obama will help the creation of a major problem along, but actually receive a negative electoral benefit from it. And that is a big-time political error.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; drillheredrillnow; drilling; election; electionpresident; elections; energy; flipflops; gasprices; mccain; nobama08; obama; offshoredrilling; oil
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Uh, he did cave, Chris.

They just don't get it, do they? Solar, wind, ethanol and all that won't get the job done, neither will tune ups and proper tire inflation.

1 posted on 08/02/2008 3:19:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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2 posted on 08/02/2008 3:22:21 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
McCain brings us more nuke plants, more refineries, and more drilling.
Obama brings us a tire pressure tester.

The choice couldn't be more drastic.

3 posted on 08/02/2008 3:22:51 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland ("We have to drain the swamp" George Bush, September 2001)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Definitely plays into the image of him being a guy who is risky and can't be trusted.

Obambi was painted into a corner. He chose to throw his supporters under the bus so he can chase some of the swing votes.

Hard to see this working out well for him.

4 posted on 08/02/2008 3:22:51 PM PDT by comebacknewt
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The democrat national convention will be interesting.


5 posted on 08/02/2008 3:23:09 PM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served,to keep us free)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

plus, the poor this time truly are disproportionately affected. The Democrats are starving the poor with the commodities run-up, and encouraging less technically capable and less environmentally careful exploration in other places around the world.


6 posted on 08/02/2008 3:26:25 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: mdittmar

Just you wait. The Clintons have something up their sleeves, and this could be the biggest backstab since Judas turned on Jesus.


7 posted on 08/02/2008 3:26:31 PM PDT by max americana
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To: mdittmar

**The democrat national convention will be interesting.**

To show my mean spirited, cold hearted side, I hope 2008 Dem Convention makes the ‘68 Convention look like a “CHURCH PICNIC”.
With the attitudes of the Liberal Stalinist Left, I’m expecting to see a “BODY COUNT” outside this convention.


8 posted on 08/02/2008 3:27:54 PM PDT by gwilhelm56 (I'll never vote for a LIBERAL ... even if they Do have an (R) after their name.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The main problem with MommaObama’s recent “adjustments”, is that there have been so many of them, in such a short period of time. This shouts “I want to be President so much, I'll say anything”, and I hope this is not playing well with independents and moderates. Of course, I happen to believe that the "pre-hot item" MommaObama is the real one, and if his "flip flopping" destroys his campaign, I won't complain!
9 posted on 08/02/2008 3:30:01 PM PDT by LRS (NO DRILLING; NO PEACE!)
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To: Jet Jaguar

I can’t wait to hear how Pelosi and Reid react. Will they openly oppose the the presumed democratic nominee?

The question is whether the political benefit of supporting drilling will be less than the political fall out from being viewed as a flip flopper. Unfortunately, with the media’s assistance, he will probably weather the storm.


10 posted on 08/02/2008 3:31:55 PM PDT by PAR
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To: gwilhelm56

I’m afriad there might be a body count inside the DemocRATic Convention....let’s just hope nothing happens to the annointed one! Seriously, no sarcasm intended. I hate to see him have a deadly wound healed!


11 posted on 08/02/2008 3:33:18 PM PDT by missanne (If we lost the war in Iraq, who won?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s the timing that matters...The Dems go on vacation with no solution and VOILA....Obama the Messiah comes up with the solution...


12 posted on 08/02/2008 3:38:21 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (I'm planting corn...Have to feed my car...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m sure Pelosi and Reid are grateful to Obama to be left holding the bag.


13 posted on 08/02/2008 3:40:10 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Gang of 10 proposal isn’t so much about drilling as it is about taxing the oil companies. Obama never met a tax he didn’t lurve.


14 posted on 08/02/2008 3:42:04 PM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: comebacknewt

Methinks if McCain just keeps campainging well (which he’s been doing lately), pushing drilling, running his ads, and we just sit back, observe, and vote, that Obama will dig himself into a hole and get beat pretty badly come November.


15 posted on 08/02/2008 3:45:42 PM PDT by RockinRight (I just paid $63 for gas. An icefield in Alaska is NOT the Grand Canyon. F--- the caribou.)
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To: savedbygrace
Obama never met a tax he didn’t lurve

That should read:

Obama never met a tax he didn’t hike.

16 posted on 08/02/2008 3:48:36 PM PDT by PackerBronco
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Obama's flip on drilling strikes me as a major error,

I completely disagree.

Obama stalling on flipping would be a major mistake. Every American knows we need to drill and he is going to tell us to inflate our tires until election day?

It's all about timing

Obama flips on the most important issue facing this country just as the do nothing Congress leaves town? Right!

Now that he has flipped his position, he has 5 weeks to be open about drilling, re-defining the fine socialist nuances of why he, "the one", knows what plan will work best for America.

When the Congress reconvenes, you will find the dems are ready to pass drilling legislation with a Obama plan, which will look very much like a McCain plan.

Obama will be the hero, living up to his "oneness"

Don't ever forget, the rat party needs Obama to get filibuster proof majorities in both the House and Senate.

They will play the game by his rules, he waited to get Congress out of D.C. so he can manipulate the events when they come back

Pelosi knows it Reid knows it. Both these assclown must be gritting their teeth playing by the magic negro rules. Acting like morons spouting inanities about saving the planet and other horseshit

17 posted on 08/02/2008 3:51:48 PM PDT by Popman (McCain as POTUS is odious, Obama as POTUS is unthinkable.)
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To: max americana

I think ol’ hillary is going to bide her time and mount a challange in ‘12-regardless of who wins in Nov. She will challange an incumbent sitting dem-of that I have NO doubt. It will be Carter\Kennedy ‘80 all over again, but I think she pulls it off.


18 posted on 08/02/2008 3:53:11 PM PDT by mrmargaritaville
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The writer is a bozo. He takes Obambi’s flip-flop at face value, ignoring the fact that DEMOCRATS LIE!! This flip-flop of Obabi’s is just for effect; he has no intention of allowing off-shore or any other kind of drilling, or, if he does, it’ll be hidebound with so many regulations that oil companies will never be able to comply.


19 posted on 08/02/2008 3:53:30 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This is a major policy reversal and it will not be good for Hussein Obama. The public at large will accept movement on positions when criteria warrant. He has two issues where he could not be more wrong.

One was the surge and the drop in recent polls reflects the American people losing their confidence in BHO. Now, the number one issue in this election again has him and his compatriots on the wrong side with the American people. His change now in light of his tire pressure solution reveals to the electorate that he does not exude self confidence and that translate into weakness. Critical thinking Americans will not elect a weak minded CIC. Not in this day and time in world affairs. He is toast....

20 posted on 08/02/2008 3:54:23 PM PDT by Born In America (I question European judgment when it comes to electing leaders, ie., Mussolini, Hitler, etc.)
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To: Popman
Left off this part

Don't ever forget, the rat party needs Obama to get filibuster proof majorities in both the House and Senate so they will never take a position opposite their messiah, hence the stall for drilling until he moved

21 posted on 08/02/2008 3:54:37 PM PDT by Popman (McCain as POTUS is odious, Obama as POTUS is unthinkable.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Now that would be a great visual.


22 posted on 08/02/2008 3:59:26 PM PDT by EBH ( ... the riotousness of the crowd is always very close to madness. --Alculin c.735-804)
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To: Jet Jaguar

LOL, very creative


23 posted on 08/02/2008 4:01:04 PM PDT by Born In America (I question European judgment when it comes to electing leaders, ie., Mussolini, Hitler, etc.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The KosNazis seem to be silent about it. I think the clinical term is “denial”.


24 posted on 08/02/2008 4:01:53 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Popman

And that is why the President needs to call a special session NOW!


25 posted on 08/02/2008 4:02:46 PM PDT by EBH ( ... the riotousness of the crowd is always very close to madness. --Alculin c.735-804)
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To: max americana

“Just you wait. The Clintons have something up their sleeves”

I can’t wait. I hope the Clintons nail him good. He deserves to come face to face with himself.


26 posted on 08/02/2008 4:04:03 PM PDT by Misschuck
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To: Born In America; monkapotamus

Props go to Monkapotamus.


27 posted on 08/02/2008 4:07:53 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: EBH
Obama just writes the political ads for us. The RNC just needs to film them and air them.

Obama should be beaten soundly with a moderately competent campaign.
The energy issue is a godsend if we will use it.

28 posted on 08/02/2008 4:12:15 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland ("We have to drain the swamp" George Bush, September 2001)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

It’s like a Jimmy Carter moment.

“Wear a sweater, turn down the thermostat!”


29 posted on 08/02/2008 4:15:48 PM PDT by Milligan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This is a real opportunity, to read an unself-conscious sample of the massive confusion and incoherence that passes for democrat thinking. We simply must not allow McCain to lose to these dismal demented yahoos.
30 posted on 08/02/2008 4:16:20 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Its not a flip at all.

Obama is “talking the talk” but he didn’t press his own party people to “walk the walk” and stay in session to get things done.

McCain and the GOP can’t let him off the hook. The no-drill position is a loser, and without actual action by Obama to get it done its only meaningless words. Obama certainly has the influence to get Pelosi and Reid to move on energy but has chosen not to.


31 posted on 08/02/2008 4:16:30 PM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: Jet Jaguar

32 posted on 08/02/2008 4:21:38 PM PDT by doug from upland (8 million views of HILLARY! UNCENSORED - put some ice on it, witch)
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To: PAR

“Unfortunately, with the media’s assistance, he will probably weather the storm.”

Unfortunately, you’re right. America could survive an Obama presidency, but not a media that could literally put anyone in the White House.


33 posted on 08/02/2008 4:23:06 PM PDT by Spok (Whatever you say about McCain, it must be admitted that he's no B. Hussein Obama.)
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To: Popman
Don't ever forget, the rat party needs Obama to get filibuster proof majorities in both the House and Senate so they will never take a position opposite their messiah, hence the stall for drilling until he moved

There are no filibusters in the House - simply majority is needed.

In the Senate, the filibuster is a Senate Rule, not a Constitutional requirement. Hence it can be overturned by a simple majority vote.

The Congress really can be broken down to 50%+1 for all victories, if desired. And if the Obamassiah wins, you can bet the Party of Slavery, the Democrats, will rescind the filibuster in the Senate and run roughshod over this great nation.

34 posted on 08/02/2008 4:27:36 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: Popman

You got it popman. It is a setup. Now he can psychobabble about compromise. Meanwhile the bill won’t pass because only the gang of ten will vote for it. A win-win for oblahma, the media and the dems. The repubs in that gang are STOOPID!!!! They should of hammered the dems until they crumbled. Which they would of. Now they lose the issue. It was the only good one they had. How dumb can repubs get...No wonder we are in such a mess.


35 posted on 08/02/2008 4:59:19 PM PDT by screaminsunshine
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To: max americana

I read a thread the other day where Hillary will not allow her name to be placed on nomination. However, that doesn’t mean that her delegates can’t give her votes from the floor when the states roll is called.


36 posted on 08/02/2008 4:59:29 PM PDT by CedarDave (What do Obama and Osama have in common? Both have friends who bombed the Pentagon.)
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To: EBH
And that is why the President needs to call a special session NOW!

I would agree, but in reading the section in Article II section 3:

He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

Bold is mine. I'm not so sure $4.00 gas would be considered "extraordinary Occasions" and the language speaks of a disagreement between the Congress as a reason to convene them, which has not happened, both majorities are in complete agreement to screw the American public

Also, I would imagine the "rat" leadership would ask the SCOTUS to make a ruling on bush authority to do so, causing a constitutional crisis

I don't think Bush will do it for those reasons

37 posted on 08/02/2008 5:17:08 PM PDT by Popman (McCain as POTUS is odious, Obama as POTUS is unthinkable.)
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To: missanne

I’m afriad there might be a body count inside the DemocRATic Convention....let’s just hope nothing happens to the annointed one! Seriously, no sarcasm intended. I hate to see him have a deadly wound healed!
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Ooooooo ... a scary thought. And if that happens, and I’m still here, I’ll know I was wrong about the Pretribulation Rapture Theory.


38 posted on 08/02/2008 5:17:30 PM PDT by bethtopaz (Obama is for OBAMA. A selfless, civic minded thought would die of loneliness in his head.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
it is a really sucky idea

Have you noticed that one of their favorite pejoratives is 'sucky'? How's Obama polling with th High School vote, anyway?

39 posted on 08/02/2008 5:20:12 PM PDT by tbpiper (NObama '08 - Unfit in any color)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
...the Democrats, will rescind the filibuster in the Senate and run roughshod over this great nation.

That was my point after all.

As for the house having a filibuster, I know they don't but if the dems gain any more seats on Obama coat tails in November, we will be in worse shape than ever

40 posted on 08/02/2008 5:20:13 PM PDT by Popman (McCain as POTUS is odious, Obama as POTUS is unthinkable.)
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To: I_Like_Spam
Obama certainly has the influence to get Pelosi and Reid to move on energy but has chosen not to.

You got it ass backwards.

Pelosi and Reid have been waiting on the messiah to move his position from no drilling to nuanced drilling

They have all their hopes and dreams on him winning in November so they cannot take a position as important as drilling if he is not for it. They can't leave him flapping in the breeze being the complete suit he is.

Now that he has "flipped" they can come back in November with a Obama plan to drill, which will be the same position as McCain plan except Obama will be the hero

41 posted on 08/02/2008 5:29:10 PM PDT by Popman (McCain as POTUS is odious, Obama as POTUS is unthinkable.)
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To: Popman
I see your point, but would counter with the lack of a viable American Energy Plan is a security crisis. As the ME continues to move towards nuclear armament, China and India continue towards their industrial revolution, and oil being controlled by dictatorial and hostile governments to the United States this is a National Security issue.

*IF, we are going to truly defend Israel as her ally, we need to be able to supply our own domestic energy.

*IF, Iran does drop a nuke or worse nukes and Israel responds in kind, we MUST be ready domestically to deal with the energy crisis this will create.

Allies of islam have already aligned for these two scenarios and probably others which will reach to Nigeria and other oil supplying nations.

America without energy is a paper tiger. We will sacrifice, struggle etc. and then what? Democrats will tell us to “inflate our tires?”

No, these traitors to our National Security must be stopped. $4.00 gasoline is the tool to get the American people to act. There is a much more sinister picture than just gasoline. It is heating oil, it is natural gas, it is industry, economy, plastics, products, production, interstate transportation, and food.

I feel our country is in imminent danger both at home and overseas.

42 posted on 08/02/2008 6:41:54 PM PDT by EBH ( ... the riotousness of the crowd is always very close to madness. --Alculin c.735-804)
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To: mdittmar

I’m stocking up on popcorn.


43 posted on 08/02/2008 6:49:17 PM PDT by rabidralph (Watch out for the Obamakazis.)
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To: gwilhelm56
When Obamination is defeated in a landslide and McCain is waiting to be sworn in as the next President, the presstitutes like Chrissy Matthews, the alphabet networks, and the entire MSNBC-CNN sycophancy, etc. will be instructing the American people what great patriots the clintoons are for not pressing the issue which would have asked Obama to step aside since to do so would have burnt down so much of so many American cities in the black-rage backlash. Of course, the statements will be made with billowing city smoke rising in the background as the riots fizzle their way across Detroit, Los Angeles, Chicago, Seattle, Denver, Boston, Houston, Atlanta, and perhaps a few other well chosen cities in need of ‘urban renewal’.
44 posted on 08/02/2008 6:53:47 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: EBH
...but would counter with the lack of a viable American Energy Plan is a security crisis.

No bones to pick there

My only concern is a future POTUS (like Obama) using, as a precedent this event, if Bush actually does call them back, to harass the Congress to do his bidding in the future since this isn't done according to the letter of the law.

45 posted on 08/02/2008 6:53:53 PM PDT by Popman (McCain as POTUS is odious, Obama as POTUS is unthinkable.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Why don't all these libs against drilling disown everything they have which is due to oil, and other fossil fuels?

Because they are delusional, liars, frauds, and hypocrites? These sissies will be whining the loudest when they lose all their conveniences.

46 posted on 08/02/2008 7:27:03 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: All

Something needs to be done to stop the EnvironMENTALists!

My sister predicted that she will have to pay around $6,000 for heating oil this year. And it will be the same next year, and the year after that, and for decades if we don’t do someting NOW.

If Clinton didn’t ban drilling around ten years ago, we would have reasonably-priced oil now.


47 posted on 08/02/2008 10:44:33 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: mrmargaritaville

“I think ol’ hillary is going to bide her time and mount a challange in ‘12-regardless of who wins in Nov. She will challange an incumbent sitting dem-of that I have NO doubt. It will be Carter\Kennedy ‘80 all over again, but I think she pulls it off.”

I think she’d pull it off too... Regardless of whether or not she’s any better, Obama is unprepared for the challenges facing this country. Anyone will look better than him come 2012, should he win. Half of America could get blown up and his cult would still rave about him, but I think it’s safe to say that most Americans will ensure he’s a one term president at worst.


48 posted on 08/03/2008 12:05:33 AM PDT by COgamer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What sort of publication is this? I have to ask because it is one of the most poorly written THINGS I've read in a long time. As a former teacher of English, that last paragraph nearly made me pass out!

The writing was terrible, but I was gratified to to hear that dumb, dim, lib, Dems are beginning to second guess “The Annointed One”, too.

49 posted on 08/03/2008 2:19:08 AM PDT by singfreedom (Obama's solution to the energy crisis: check the air in your tires! Remarkably simple, eh?)
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To: gusopol3
Truer words were never spoken, but have you heard anyone, other than Dr. Charles Krauthammer, mention this fact (the environmental exploitation of the global poor)? The Sierra Club, and other greeniac organizations, are conspicuous by their silence on the subject.
50 posted on 08/03/2008 2:31:25 AM PDT by singfreedom (Obama's solution to the energy crisis: check the air in your tires! Remarkably simple, eh?)
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