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Ridge Does Not Think McCain Would Have Abortion Litmus Test
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Posted on 08/03/2008 12:24:19 PM PDT by WilliamReading

ABC News Jan Simmonds reports: On ABC News' "This Week with George Stephanopoulos," former Pennsylvania Governor and Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge reaffirmed his pro-choice position on abortion, and said he did not think Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., would make it a litmus test on whom he would choose to be his running mate.

"I would think John would never make it a litmus test, but when it comes down to a nominee selecting a vice presidential running mate, it's their decision exclusively," said Ridge. "And I would respect that decision one way or another."

When asked whether he thought having a pro-choice candidate at the top of a national ticket would turn off the Republican Party base, Ridge said, "I think, at the end of the day, I think the party would be comfortable with someone Sen. McCain was comfortable with. And that is ultimately his decision."

Ridge chose to hold his cards close to the vest, though, when questioned directly about whether he would accept the offer if John McCain makes it.

"I would have that conversation with my friend John and report back to you," said Ridge with a chuckle.

Ridge also took the opportunity to vouch for the Barack Obama/Britney Spears ad the McCain campaign released earlier this week. "The commercial elevates the whole question of energy policy in a way that some people like, some people don't like," added Ridge, saying the issue of the ad is an important one.

"John McCain has suggested that we have an all-above approach. Let's talk nuclear, let's talk drilling, let's talk biofuels. ... Let's get it all on the table, and Obama -- Sen. Obama, excuse me -- said no nuclear, no drilling," said Ridge.


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1 posted on 08/03/2008 12:24:19 PM PDT by WilliamReading
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To: WilliamReading

McCain might not have a litmus test but the base of the party does. The fastest way to keep religious voters home is to put a pro-abort on the ticket.


2 posted on 08/03/2008 12:27:14 PM PDT by Publius804
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To: Publius804

For every vote that Ridge loses for being on the ticket, he can easily get 2 or 3 pro-choice voters.


3 posted on 08/03/2008 12:29:39 PM PDT by WilliamReading
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To: WilliamReading

I doubt it would be that high. If people are pro-choice they’d probably vote for Obama in the overwhelming majority of cases, all a pro-abort on the ticket would do is fracture McCain’s already shakey base.


4 posted on 08/03/2008 12:31:54 PM PDT by Publius804
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To: WilliamReading
For every vote that Ridge loses for being on the ticket, he can easily get 2 or 3 pro-choice voters...

... and move the party that much more to the Left, the new home of the Democrat-lite party.

5 posted on 08/03/2008 12:33:14 PM PDT by Ingtar (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery. - ejonesie22)
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To: WilliamReading

I have a Litmus test.


6 posted on 08/03/2008 12:34:25 PM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: WilliamReading

Well, screw you Ridge. He’s off the Veep list. McCain may be puzzling at times, but he isn’t that stupid to put Ridge on the ticket.


7 posted on 08/03/2008 12:36:55 PM PDT by SolidWood (Obamarxislamism, the threat to our Republic!)
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To: Publius804

McCain will have a Senate with a Democratic majority throughout his first term. Therefor, he will not have the political capital to go with a Strong Pro Life Justice.


8 posted on 08/03/2008 12:37:33 PM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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To: trumandogz

That may be true but McCain is also in his 70s, how secure do you think the base would feel with a pro-abort waiting in the wings?


9 posted on 08/03/2008 12:39:13 PM PDT by Publius804
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To: WilliamReading

Mr Crayon thinks he’s got a shot. How amusing . . . unless he’s right.


10 posted on 08/03/2008 12:43:05 PM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: Publius804
If people are pro-choice they’d probably vote for Obama in the overwhelming majority of cases...

Not really true in the Northeast. Nonetheless, I don't see Ridge picking up a lot of pro-choice voters who would otherwise vote for Obama, since the VP's position on the issue usually has very little impact.

11 posted on 08/03/2008 12:43:21 PM PDT by Arguendo
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To: trumandogz
McCain will have a Senate with a Democratic majority throughout his first term.

I certainly hope not. When he has to work with Dim majorities, he proposes Dim legislation. We'll have McCain-Reid and McCain-Pelosi to go with the rest of the trash.

12 posted on 08/03/2008 12:43:35 PM PDT by Ingtar (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery. - ejonesie22)
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To: WilliamReading; BlackElk
For every vote that Ridge loses for being on the ticket, he can easily get 2 or 3 pro-choice voters.

Your statement has no basis in fact. Actually it goes against all of the polling data I have seen on the subject. The pro-aborts who base a vote on whether the veep is pro-abort is voting Obama anyway.

Besides that, it would certainly cost seats in the House in some red states, as pro-lifers stay home, and pro-aborts vote for Dems for House and Senatewhile voting for McCain.
13 posted on 08/03/2008 12:44:27 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: trumandogz

he will not have the political capital to go with a Strong Pro Life Justice

Even Clarence Thomas was confirmed by a Democratic Senate.


14 posted on 08/03/2008 12:44:44 PM PDT by WilliamReading
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To: Dr. Sivana

I have seen Tom Ridge run in Pennsylvania, a strong pro-life state. He lost a few votes from the Pro-life side, to be sure, but he always made them up, on the pro-choice side.

He has never lost an election . .


15 posted on 08/03/2008 12:45:56 PM PDT by WilliamReading
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To: trumandogz
McCain will have a Senate with a Democratic majority throughout his first term. Therefor, he will not have the political capital to go with a Strong Pro Life Justice.

He doesn't have to have a strong "Pro Life" Justice. In fact, the less said about "Pro Life", the better.

All you need to overturn Roe v. Wade are strong "Constructionist" Justices that believe that the Constitution should say what it means and mean what it says.

John McCain believes that one of the greatest threats to our liberty and the Constitutional framework that safeguards our freedoms are willful judges who usurp the role of the people and their representatives and legislate from the bench. As President, John McCain will nominate judges who understand that their role is to faithfully apply the law as written, not impose their opinions through judicial fiat.

16 posted on 08/03/2008 12:48:05 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Arguendo

Agreed about the Northeast, a truly nasty and hostile part of the country towards traditionally minded folks. (I should know I was born and raised there) However many so called Republicans in the Northeast govern as Democrat-lites on the social issues and on some fiscal issues.


17 posted on 08/03/2008 12:48:23 PM PDT by Publius804
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To: WilliamReading

That maybe true for PA but it is not necessarily true for a national campaign. A pro-abort on a McCain ticket would be a recipe for disaster.


18 posted on 08/03/2008 12:50:07 PM PDT by Publius804
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To: Ingtar

It appears that is the plan.


19 posted on 08/03/2008 12:52:39 PM PDT by AuntB ( "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: SolidWood

I agree. McCain won’t pick Ridge for VP, no matter how close they are. He might get a cabinet post, though.


20 posted on 08/03/2008 12:54:48 PM PDT by FFranco
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To: WilliamReading
"Ridge Does Not Think McCain Would Have Abortion Litmus Test"

He's going to have a hard enough time getting elected as it is. Select an abortionist as his running mate and there's no chance at all.

21 posted on 08/03/2008 12:54:59 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: WilliamReading

I would rather have Casey SENIOR, who won by bigger margins as governor, than that hypocrite ex-communicate Ridge.

Ridge would be a good way to get a lot of possible GOTV volunteers to decide their time is better spent on other matters.


22 posted on 08/03/2008 12:55:25 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Publius804

I think McCain is either going to choose Crist or Liberman that will take FL off the board. That is why he not wasting his ad money there


23 posted on 08/03/2008 12:55:26 PM PDT by Paul8148
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To: Paul8148

Crist - maybe, Lieberman - no way in hell. I read he is vetting Rep. Cantor as well. McCain needs a young conservative in the VP slot.


24 posted on 08/03/2008 12:58:04 PM PDT by Publius804
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To: WilliamReading

Who exactly is Tom Ridge going to bring into the party?

*crickets*

That would be no one. People like to act as if a pro-life litmus test is a bad thing, it’s not, it’s a very good and sensible requirement. There’s issues we’re willing to compromise with, and then there’s issues we’re not. Abortion is in the latter category.


25 posted on 08/03/2008 12:59:27 PM PDT by eclecticEel (men who believe deeply in something, even wrong, usually triumph over men who believe in nothing)
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To: eclecticEel

Amen to that.


26 posted on 08/03/2008 1:00:22 PM PDT by Publius804
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To: WilliamReading

But Obama will.


27 posted on 08/03/2008 1:02:23 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Bernanke is a Monetary Slut!)
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To: WilliamReading

Nah, if McPain endorses homosexuality in the military do you really think he has the brass balls to say no to abortion? Killing the unborn? NO WAY.


28 posted on 08/03/2008 1:02:28 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: WilliamReading
Even Clarence Thomas was confirmed by a Democratic Senate.


29 posted on 08/03/2008 1:09:58 PM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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To: trumandogz

McCain will not appoint a strong pro-life justice no matter what the make up of the Senate. Any strong pro-life justice would be almost certain to rule against his signature McCain-Feingold legislation


30 posted on 08/03/2008 1:12:51 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: eclecticEel

Who exactly is Tom Ridge going to bring into the party?

Obama’s weak point now is with White women (Hillary voters), especially over 40. You would be surprised how many of those people might cross over with McCain-Ridge.

I do not think McCain will pick Romney, they just don’t seem to click . . and Romney hasn’t been on a Sunday show for a few weeks.

Pawlenty is a possibility, but he is lackluster . . not that charismatic.

Cantor? I think this is just a head fake . . He is no way ready to be President of the United States.


31 posted on 08/03/2008 1:13:31 PM PDT by WilliamReading
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To: WilliamReading
For every vote that Ridge loses for being on the ticket, he can easily get 2 or 3 pro-choice voters.

LOL, riiiiggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhtttttttttttt. Pro-life is the biggest net voting issue the GOP has. A pro-life position generally nets about 7% over a candidate with a pro-choice position.

32 posted on 08/03/2008 1:23:25 PM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: WilliamReading

No Ridge.


33 posted on 08/03/2008 1:50:08 PM PDT by Rosemont ($4+ for gas. Can we drill now?)
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To: Publius804

Given McCain’s age it’s highly unlikely he can get my vote by running with a baby killing butcher.


34 posted on 08/03/2008 2:04:06 PM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: Publius804; WilliamReading
Absolutely correct. Obama is actually on record as favoring killing babies who've already been born. He will most likely get even Ridge's vote.

Frankly, Obama has the baby killing vote all wrapped up and in the bank.

35 posted on 08/03/2008 2:05:54 PM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: Ingtar; trumandogz

Dfinitely a problem if he has a Dem Senate. McCain almost invented the old “reacharound” business.


36 posted on 08/03/2008 2:07:08 PM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: Always Right

Pro-life is the biggest net voting issue the GOP has. A pro-life position generally nets about 7% over a candidate with a pro-choice position.

Maybe in Louisiana and Utah, but not in the Midwest. And that is where the election will be won or lost.

I am starting to think that it will indeed be Ridge . . that Cantor is just a way to get some publicity.


37 posted on 08/03/2008 2:09:49 PM PDT by WilliamReading
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To: WilliamReading

I’m already lukewarm on McCain because I think he is a RINO. If he picks a pro-abort running mate i’m staying some.


38 posted on 08/03/2008 2:10:50 PM PDT by DemonDeac
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To: WilliamReading
Maybe in Louisiana and Utah, but not in the Midwest.

LOL, wow. Are you kidding me. The only place pro-choice is a good thing is in the north east. The only battleground states where it might be beneficial is Penn and NJ. Otherwise it is a big loser.

39 posted on 08/03/2008 2:14:51 PM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Always Right

LOL, wow. Are you kidding me. The only place pro-choice is a good thing is in the north east.

Have you checked out who represents Michigan, Ohio, Missouri, Illinois, Wisconsin, Indiana , Minnesota in the Senate? At least 70 percent of those Senators are pro-choice.


40 posted on 08/03/2008 2:18:36 PM PDT by WilliamReading
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To: WilliamReading

That is in spite of their pro-choice positions, not because of. The Democrats gained control because of the war, wasteful spending by the GOP, and GOP scandals. I have never seen a pro-choice candidate in the midwest running on being pro-choice. They usually cover it up by claiming conservative values.


41 posted on 08/03/2008 2:29:53 PM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Always Right

I have never seen a pro-choice candidate in the midwest running on being pro-choice

You must never have heard about a guy named Barack Obama or Dick Durban or Stabenow or Levin.


42 posted on 08/03/2008 2:36:08 PM PDT by WilliamReading
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To: WilliamReading
Moral values largest single issue cited by electorate:
'faithful Catholics' want results this time
National Catholic Reporter, Nov 12, 2004 by Joe Feuerherd

On Election Day former U.S. ambassador to the Vatican Thomas Melady worked the phones from Republican National Committee headquarters in southeast Washington. His job was to call 150 Ohio Republicans and encourage them to go to the polls. "George Bush stands for things I believe in," was a frequent response of the 141 Ohioans Melady ultimately reached that day.

"I was surprised that I only got three negative responses," said Melady. "I thought we'd hear a lot more about Iraq."

In fact, as Melady's experience demonstrated, the war on Iraq ended up far down the list of voter concerns. Surprisingly to some (including a good number of social conservatives) 21 percent of voters cited "moral values" as the number "one issue [that] mattered most in deciding" how they voted, according to a Washington Post survey of the national electorate. That's higher than the 20 percent who cited the economy, the 18 percent who mentioned terrorism, or the 15 percent who pointed to the war in Iraq. And, significantly, of those who made moral values a priority, 78 percent voted for Bush.

43 posted on 08/03/2008 3:02:10 PM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: WilliamReading
Most Americans Oppose Most Abortions, Wirthlin Poll Finds

By Editorial Staff Published March 1992

Most Americans oppose the vast majority of all abortions being performed, according to the findings of a national poll of 750 people conducted in January.

The poll, conducted by the highly respected Wirthlin Group, found that pro-life Americans are also much more likely to vote single-issue than Americans who favor abortion. This means that pro-life candidates enjoy a seven percent voting edge, or “increment,” over pro-abortion candidates.

The poll also found that Americans support the primary provisions of a Pennsylvania law now before the Supreme Court. An overwhelming majority – 85 percent – support a woman’s right to know about abortion and alternatives, and 74 percent support spousal notification.

44 posted on 08/03/2008 3:09:56 PM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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45 posted on 08/03/2008 3:13:40 PM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Always Right

84 percent of Pro-Life voters don’t think it should be a litmus test.

88 percent of Pro-choice voters don’t think it should be a Litmus Test.


46 posted on 08/03/2008 3:21:35 PM PDT by WilliamReading
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To: WilliamReading

Your stat actually supports my point. There are more pro-life limit test voters than pro-choice.


47 posted on 08/03/2008 3:48:39 PM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Publius804
History on Tom Ridge and Abortion

Ridge will not get the VP slot...just way too much baggage on many issues. Seems to me he is spinning on behalf of McCain to keep the pro-aborts quiet for now.
48 posted on 08/03/2008 10:22:23 PM PDT by Fred (The Democrat Party is the Nadir of Nihilism)
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To: Jim Robinson

I agree. While I cannot now imagine who I’d support other than McCain, if he chooses a pro-abortion running mate, he will not get my vote.

The LP is out since I discovered one of their planks is pro-abortion. Absolutely amazed me when I found that out.

The CP has their silly isolationist take on defense and they don’t really have a serious candidate.

Guess I’d just write in Duncan Hunter or leave it blank.


49 posted on 08/04/2008 4:26:09 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: WilliamReading; Dr. Sivana; ninenot; AnAmericanMother; Convert from ECUSA; ArrogantBustard; ...
Although Ridge obstinately enthuses for the slaughter of innocent unborn babies, he falsely claims to continue to be a Catholic. This would give the GOP the embarrassment suffered previously only by such phonies as John Kerry, Ted Kennedy and an army of other Demonrat ex-Catholics. Justin Cardinal Rigali is unlikely to allow Ridge to receive the Eucharist in the Philadelphia Archdiocese, Archbishop Chaput in Denver likewise and likewise Bishop Sheridan of Colorado Springs and an ever increasing number of bishops. Without the Catholic vote (and losing a large number of Evangelicals), the GOP loses.

The pro-aborts can go straight to hell in this life as well as in the next. If the GOP adopts the murderous views of the Demonrats by allowing a national pro-abort nominee (and a pseudo-Catholic no less) there will be a truly historic and fatal (short and long term) exodus from the GOP. The GOP was not meant to be merely the party of blind materialism. It is meant for better things.

Your claim that the GOP would receive 2 or 3 baby-killer votes for every pro-lifer lost is ridiculous and utterly unsupported and unsupportable. The GOP vote would instead be limited to windtunnel Muffy of the Junior League and windtunnel Skipper of the local polo club.

It is no accident that the party that defends the babies also defends marriage, guns, the War on Terror, drilling here and drilling now, a military second to none used whenever necessary and desirable, militant nationalism, and a host of other conservative values. Tax cuts are part but only part of the package and by no means the most important part.

"Who cares if they kill another 50 million babies so long as I get my tax cuts and trust fund protection?" is not a campaign slogan for the GOP to go to political war with.

Tom Ridge has no business whatsoever having any chance to appoint federal judges now or ever.

Should we try for the Ku Klux Klan voters? the neoNazis??? the militant queers??? the, ummm, animal lovers? the Code Pinkers??? the SDS Alumni Association? the cannibal "rights" groups? No. That is also true of NARAL, PP, ZPG and the other babykillers.

As the pro-life party, we win more often than not. The babykillers have done whatever little damage they can do (as pro-lifers have damaged the Demonrats badly) and the babykillers have usually failed. Accept them at the top of the GOP and there won't be a GOP.

50 posted on 08/04/2008 12:05:31 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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