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Battle over Confederate flag hits highways
Yahoo News ^ | August 4, 2008 | Patrik Jonsson

Posted on 08/04/2008 3:47:13 PM PDT by LAforme2008

Chip Witte doesn't consider himself a Rebel. He doesn't hang Dixie battle flags in his living room, nor does he wear one on the back of his leather jacket.

Yet when the Tampa motorcycle mechanic saw the world's largest Confederate battle flag unfurl above the intersection of I-10 and I-4 in June, he felt a jolt of solidarity with the lost cause and lost rights that he says the battle flag represents. "I think it's great that they're allowed to fly it," says Mr. Witte.

Despite years of boycotts, schoolyard bans, and banishment from capitol domes, the Southern battle colors are flying, higher than ever.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: cbf; confederacy; confederateflag; crossofsaintandrew; dixie; florida; saintandrewscross; scv; tampa
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1 posted on 08/04/2008 3:47:13 PM PDT by LAforme2008
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To: LAforme2008
the Southern battle colors are flying, higher than ever.

As it should! It burns me that some try and say it's some how a symbol of racism.

2 posted on 08/04/2008 3:53:46 PM PDT by chaos_5 (Some one needs to tell the "Mad Cow" to call the house back into session!)
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To: All

Many who fought for the South in the CivilWar were too poor to own slaves.


3 posted on 08/04/2008 3:55:16 PM PDT by Maverick68 (w)
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To: chaos_5

No, it’s a symbol of stupidity.


4 posted on 08/04/2008 3:56:18 PM PDT by cmdjing
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To: LAforme2008

“More recently, a Florida newspaper poll revealed that few drivers found the Tampa flag offensive, which surprised many officials”.

It’s a “Battle Flag”.Never know , a new one might spring up,for the same cause,”States Rights”.


5 posted on 08/04/2008 3:56:33 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes (Old Dogs and Children,and Watermelon Wine.)
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To: LAforme2008

Fly it high!!


6 posted on 08/04/2008 3:57:12 PM PDT by Texas Federalist
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To: cmdjing

These stupid people down here are fighting this war.Along with some others.


7 posted on 08/04/2008 3:57:57 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes (Old Dogs and Children,and Watermelon Wine.)
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To: cmdjing

How is it a symbol of stupidity?


8 posted on 08/04/2008 4:01:43 PM PDT by chaos_5 (Some one needs to tell the "Mad Cow" to call the house back into session!)
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To: LAforme2008

It’s a bit interesting since I-10 and I-4 do not intersect...


9 posted on 08/04/2008 4:02:28 PM PDT by stefanbatory
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To: LAforme2008

It wasn’t about slavery. It was about the rights of states versus a powerful Government having all the rights. Abraham Lincoln brought slavery into the forefront in order to get more Union troops to fight. The South was right...look at what is going on now....Mercy!!...the states lose more rights every day as the Federal government takes more. That Confederate flag represents freedom from government oppression...not slavery. My folks were dirt farmers. They owned no slaves but they fought for the Confederate States of America because they believed in the reason for succession. You can rip that flag from view but it will forever fly in my soul.


10 posted on 08/04/2008 4:03:22 PM PDT by imfrmdixie
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To: cmdjing
Why is it a symbol of stupidity? Please also inform us where you are from.
11 posted on 08/04/2008 4:03:52 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: stefanbatory

Prabably meant 95, very interesting.


12 posted on 08/04/2008 4:04:38 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes (Old Dogs and Children,and Watermelon Wine.)
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To: Maverick68
I had several ancestors who fought and none owned slaves. They were too busy trying to make a living in the dirt of MS. One had a problem with his legs so he spent his time making shoes for the soldiers. I am proud of all of the ancestors who made me who I am today.
13 posted on 08/04/2008 4:06:08 PM PDT by MamaB (Heb.13:2)
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To: Maverick68; All
Many who fought for the South in the CivilWar were too poor to own slaves.

The overwhelming proportion of Confederate enlisted men owned no slaves.

14 posted on 08/04/2008 4:08:08 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Drill Here. Drill Now. Pay Less.)
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To: silentreignofheroes

sometimes an “o” sounds like an “a”.”i” before “e”,except after “c”.


15 posted on 08/04/2008 4:08:22 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes (Old Dogs and Children,and Watermelon Wine.)
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To: chaos_5

the Southern battle colors are flying, higher than ever.

If some people don’t want to offend any of their neighbors,they can just fly a replica of the Bonnie Blue Flag...most people don’t know what the heck it is.


16 posted on 08/04/2008 4:10:07 PM PDT by coolbreeze (giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teen-age boys.)
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To: chaos_5

I should be more specific. It’s not a symbol of stupidity, rather it just happens to be flown by stupid people for all the wrong reasons.

It is a symbol representing the rights of States flown by men unwilling to bow down to the tyranny of neither the Union nor Lincoln. It is being flown imbeciles who live on their knees and suck at the tit of federal government but pretend to be otherwise.


17 posted on 08/04/2008 4:10:47 PM PDT by cmdjing
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To: stefanbatory
I grew up just outside of Bartow and was thinking that if the flag stretched from I-10 to I-4 ... that would be ONE HECK OF A FLAG!!!

I've been away from FL for some time now and just to make sure that I was not forgetting some detail, I checked. You are correct sir. I-10 runs west from Jacksonville and I-4 runs SW from Daytona Beach ... Never the two to meet.

18 posted on 08/04/2008 4:11:09 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: MamaB

I believe that just about everyone today is proud of both sides. The Rebel flag is part of our history and should be able to be flown in the south. There are those here in this country that hate the American flag but we never take it down.


19 posted on 08/04/2008 4:12:22 PM PDT by RC2
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To: cmdjing
No, it’s a symbol of stupidity.

I'd imagine some 30-35% of our Freepers have direct confederate heritage. Why would you so easily insult them over their heritage? People will stand by their families much faster than embrace they PC BS...

Find some democrats to pick a fight with. Insulting fellow FReepers is hardly a worthwhile pursuit.

20 posted on 08/04/2008 4:12:23 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: cmdjing
OK, thats a good point. Thanks for clarifying your position.
21 posted on 08/04/2008 4:13:13 PM PDT by chaos_5 (Some one needs to tell the "Mad Cow" to call the house back into session!)
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To: MamaB
I am proud of all of the ancestors who made me who I am today.

And well you should be. As a Northerner, I have no problem with the confederate flag. I consider it a historic symbol.

However, I do have a problem with all the Mexican flags that I see flying in California. I am proud of the history of this country.

My ancestor are mostly from Germany. I do not fly the German flag. I live in this country.

22 posted on 08/04/2008 4:14:49 PM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter(the Godfather of Terror) allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: LAforme2008
Never forget the last official flag to fly over the confederate states:
23 posted on 08/04/2008 4:15:25 PM PDT by Diverdogz
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To: LAforme2008
We are constantly lectured by liberals that we cannot judge black conduct, black speech or black use of THE BAD NNN WORD because blacks have a different life experience, different view point and the NNN word has a different meaning for them than it does for whites.

Then, the same people say that the only valid meaning of the Confederate Battle Flag is the one they have invented and believe in.

They preach tolerance yet have no tolerance for those that are different than they and their clique.

They preach diversity but are aghast when others think differently or conduct themselves differently than they.


24 posted on 08/04/2008 4:17:56 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: Diverdogz

Never flew that flag.


25 posted on 08/04/2008 4:18:45 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes (Old Dogs and Children,and Watermelon Wine.)
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To: LAforme2008

I have a rebel plate on the front of my truck. Screw em.


26 posted on 08/04/2008 4:20:21 PM PDT by Snurple
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To: Diverdogz

The Confederates surrendering to the Republic certainly has not benefited you or your children or your children’s children. When the Confederates surrendered, your rights were given over to the federal government. What has that gotten you? You should be shouting thank yous to the ones that tried to change how our country is governed...not insulting them because they were not successful in their attempt.


27 posted on 08/04/2008 4:21:22 PM PDT by imfrmdixie
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To: cmdjing

You can bite my rebel di_k.


28 posted on 08/04/2008 4:22:40 PM PDT by Snurple
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To: imfrmdixie

Secession.


29 posted on 08/04/2008 4:23:10 PM PDT by Canedawg
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To: Canedawg

Never claimed to be a rocket scientist.


30 posted on 08/04/2008 4:25:30 PM PDT by imfrmdixie
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To: silentreignofheroes

They may as well have. Here are your heroes, conceding defeat.

31 posted on 08/04/2008 4:26:37 PM PDT by Diverdogz
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To: w1andsodidwe
One of my great grandmothers was a NA. I have a cousin who does not want anyone to know that. I am proud of her. We can not find her parents but know she was a Cherokee and her kids were offered land in Indian Territory in either the 1800’s or early 1900’s. Only 2 took up the offer. I have a wife of a cousin who has been into genealogy a lot longer than I have and she has been all over the country talking with experts on Indians and no one can tell her anything. She did find someone who might be her dad and he is on the Dawe’s list so will just have to wait and see what develops. Genealogy is a fascinating hobby and I have 63 generations and over 22,200 names in my FTM.
32 posted on 08/04/2008 4:27:29 PM PDT by MamaB (Heb.13:2)
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To: imfrmdixie
The Confederates surrendering to the Republic certainly has not benefited you or your children or your children’s children. When the Confederates surrendered, your rights were given over to the federal government. What has that gotten you? You should be shouting thank yous to the ones that tried to change how our country is governed...not insulting them because they were not successful in their attempt.

Some people beg to differ....


33 posted on 08/04/2008 4:30:53 PM PDT by Diverdogz
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To: Diverdogz

Read your history.


34 posted on 08/04/2008 4:32:31 PM PDT by imfrmdixie
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To: silentreignofheroes

there is no Confederate flag flying at I-4 and I-95...of this I can assure you...twice per day...


35 posted on 08/04/2008 4:33:48 PM PDT by stefanbatory
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To: Diverdogz

A good man settin’ there.Reckon Pelosi is what you want.?


36 posted on 08/04/2008 4:35:23 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes (Old Dogs and Children,and Watermelon Wine.)
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To: stefanbatory

Who knows where it’s at , if it’s there at all.


37 posted on 08/04/2008 4:38:10 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes (Old Dogs and Children,and Watermelon Wine.)
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To: silentreignofheroes

Pelosi? No way. And she is relevant to the civil war how? I suppose you want the US to be two countries then. Treasonous.


38 posted on 08/04/2008 4:43:01 PM PDT by Diverdogz
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To: LAforme2008

Save your Confederate money - it may be the ONLY thing worth saving.


39 posted on 08/04/2008 4:43:40 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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To: Diverdogz

Looks like pictures of my kin from back then.


40 posted on 08/04/2008 4:43:44 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes (Old Dogs and Children,and Watermelon Wine.)
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To: stefanbatory

>>It’s a bit interesting since I-10 and I-4 do not intersect...<<

Only at infinity and in the minds of stupid liberals.


41 posted on 08/04/2008 4:45:13 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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To: Diverdogz

It was a long path.Pelosi is what you got.


42 posted on 08/04/2008 4:45:46 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes (Old Dogs and Children,and Watermelon Wine.)
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To: LAforme2008

It’s a free country. Anyone should be able to fly any flag they wish. It’s called free speech.

But, for the life of me, I can’t understand why people insist on intentionally alienating and offending their neighbors.

Rights do not trump good manners.


43 posted on 08/04/2008 4:57:20 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: LAforme2008

Original @ Christian Science Monitor correctly identifies the intersection as I-75 and I-10.


44 posted on 08/04/2008 5:00:55 PM PDT by Southern Partisan ("Do your duty in all things. You cannot do more. You should never wish to do less." ----R. E. Lee)
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To: chaos_5

To me, it represents some folks who lost a war big time, and can’t get over it. ;-)


45 posted on 08/04/2008 5:03:14 PM PDT by Clemenza (McCain/Palin; Maverick and the MILF)
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To: Caipirabob
I'd imagine some 30-35% of our Freepers have direct confederate heritage.

But some of us also have Union blood in our veins. Mine may have helped to take Vicksburg.

I respect the right to fly the Sucessionist battle flag, ot any of the three national flags. However, in the end they lost, and rightly so.

The Battle Cry of Freedom, by George F. Root, 1862

We are marching to the field, boys,

We're going to the fight,

Shouting the Battle Cry of Freedom

And we bear the glorious stars

For the Union and the right,

Shouting the Battle Cry of Freedom.

Chorus:

The Union forever!

Hurrah boys hurrah!

Down with the traitor, up with the star,

For we're marching to the field, boys,

Going to the fight,

Shouting the Battle Cry of Freedom!

2. We will meet the Rebel host, boys,

With fearless heart and true,

Shouting the Battle Cry of Freedom,

And we'll show what Uncle Sam has

For loyal men to do,

Shouting the Battle Cry of Freedom.

Chorus:

The Union forever!

Hurrah boys hurrah!

Down with the traitor, up with the star,

For we're marching to the field, boys,

Going to the fight,

Shouting the Battle Cry of Freedom!

3. If we fall amid the fray, boys,

We'll face them to the last,

Shouting the Battle Cry of Freedom.

And our comrades brave shall hear us

As they go rushing past,

Shouting the Battle Cry of Freedom.

Chorus:

The Union forever!

Hurrah boys hurrah!

Down with the traitor, up with the star,

For we're marching to the field, boys,

Going to the fight,

Shouting the Battle Cry of Freedom!

4. Yes, for Liberty and Union

We're springing to the fight,

Shouting the Battle Cry of Freedom.

And the vict'ry shall be ours

For we're rising in our might,

Shouting the Battle Cry of Freedom.

Chorus:

The Union forever!

Hurrah boys hurrah!

Down with the traitor, up with the star,

For we're marching to the field, boys,

Going to the fight,

Shouting the Battle Cry of Freedom!

46 posted on 08/04/2008 5:05:50 PM PDT by GreenLanternCorps (No Surrender, No Retreat!!! Only one candidate will win the war, and it's not Barack Obama!)
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To: Snurple

The Confederacy is dead, your social security number is testament enough that you owe your money and allegiance to the Union. Rebel my left foot.


47 posted on 08/04/2008 5:10:13 PM PDT by cmdjing
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To: Jedidah

The flag has become a symbol of those who use race as a way to make a living. Rather than try to cure the real problems in the black community, they get all hot and bothered about a flag. Symbolism over substance. Tear a flag down, ban Dixie, and you can make people happy for a few days. Try solving drugs, gangs, teenage pregnancy, low school scores etc... that would be some real work that needs to be done. No one is speaking out save for the brave Bill Cosby and he as paid a price for his stand.


48 posted on 08/04/2008 5:10:28 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Diverdogz

Yes, but not before the Confederates killed 360,000 of the Yankeee sons-of-bitches. Also you should remember that it took four years to defeat the southern armies. They had virtually no manufacturing capacity as opposed to the industrialized North. They had no navy and the coastline was blockaded for the majority of the war thus limiting trade and suppressing the economy. And yet they fought brilliantly for the most part and for the first three years repeatedly engaged and then defeated vastly superior Union armies. I can only hope in my lifetime that North and South will dance once more.


49 posted on 08/04/2008 5:14:58 PM PDT by Just_de_facts
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To: imfrmdixie

Live and learn.

:-)


50 posted on 08/04/2008 5:43:16 PM PDT by Canedawg
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