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Knights Templar to Vatican: Give us back our assets
The Register ^ | 8/4/8 | Joe Fay

Posted on 08/04/2008 5:23:47 PM PDT by Clint Williams

The Knights Templar are demanding that the Vatican give them back their good name and, possibly, billions in assets into the bargain, 700 years after the order was brutally suppressed by a joint venture between the Pope and the King of France.

If the Holy See doesn’t comply, the warrior knights, renowned for liberating the Holy Land, will deploy that most fearsome of weapons: a laborious court case through the creaking Spanish legal system.

The Daily Telegraph reports that The Association of the Sovereign Order of the Temple of Christ has launched a court case in Spain, demanding Pope Benedict “recognise” the seizure of assets worth €100bn. The Spanish-based group of Templars apparently says in a statement: "We are not trying to cause the economic collapse of the Roman Catholic Church, but to illustrate to the court the magnitude of the plot against our Order." This might come as a surprise to those who believe that the order of warrior monks – also credited with possessing the Holy Grail and laying the foundation of the European banking system - was smashed in 1307 by Pope Clement V and Philip IV of France.

At the time, the order was accused of a multitude of crimes, including two medieval biggies - sodomy and heresy.

However, recently discovered Vatican papers showed that the order had never been declared heretics, burnings at the stake for the leadership not withstanding.

Rather, it appeared that the order’s suppression was more a piece of realpolitik on the pope’s part to pacify Philip, who was somewhat irked by the prospect of the powerful order increasing its continental activities after Jerusalem fell to the Turks.

Despite the order’s brutal apparent suppression, its legacy has been claimed by numerous successor organisations, and besmirched by popular authors ad nauseum.

One of the successors, Ordo Supremus Militaris Templi Hierosolymitani, is apparently recognised by Unesco.

We contacted the UK branch, otherwise known as the The Grand Priory of Knights Templar in England and Wales, to see if they could throw any light on the matter but they have yet to get back to us.

The Grand Priory’s website says the modern organisation is about humanitarian and charity work. There is no mention of the Holy Grail, though it does support the maintenance of the Holy Places.

And if you’re looking for esoteric rites or secret higher knowledge, you’re likely to be disappointed. The website says: “Please don’t expect to be enlightened with some supposed ‘secret’ knowledge, because nothing exists.”

Of course, any conspiracy theorist will tell you that’s exactly what you’d expect them to say. ®



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: conspiracy; godsgravesglyphs; iamspartacus; knightstemplar; ngos; unesco; vatican

1 posted on 08/04/2008 5:23:47 PM PDT by Clint Williams
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To: Clint Williams

Good luck, dear Knights.


2 posted on 08/04/2008 5:26:25 PM PDT by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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To: Clint Williams

"Fetch me the soft cushions!"

3 posted on 08/04/2008 5:28:29 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: Clint Williams

The Vatican should do exactly as the Knights Templar ask and should condemn Philip IV of France.


4 posted on 08/04/2008 5:29:16 PM PDT by Savage Beast ("Some people are born knowing, and some people will die searching." -Antonio Banderas)
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To: Clint Williams

The treasure is on Oak Island. For a small advance fee, I will send the co-ordinates.

;)


5 posted on 08/04/2008 5:29:21 PM PDT by dynachrome (Henry Bowman is right)
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To: Clint Williams

It’s about time they showed some juevos on this!


6 posted on 08/04/2008 5:29:54 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Obama: The presumptuous democratic nominee)
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To: Clint Williams
Whee! I thought they were all dead!
7 posted on 08/04/2008 5:30:14 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Stop the O-bomb.)
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To: Salvation

Ping?


8 posted on 08/04/2008 5:30:32 PM PDT by Clemenza (McCain/Palin; Maverick and the MILF)
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To: Clint Williams

As Spongebob Squarepants would say, “Well, good luck with that!”


9 posted on 08/04/2008 5:32:05 PM PDT by Pablo64 (What is popular is not always right. What is right is not always popular.)
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To: Clint Williams

No one shall pass without my permission!


10 posted on 08/04/2008 5:32:12 PM PDT by Mercat (For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast; All

Call your Holy See representative on this!

050-6187-030

Or fax them at 050-6180-007


11 posted on 08/04/2008 5:32:28 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Obama: The presumptuous democratic nominee)
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To: Clint Williams
This is beyond silly.

They'll have to prove legal succession to have legal standing.

And they can't prove that. Too many claimants. It's like the Dook and the Dolphin in Huckleberry Finn.

12 posted on 08/04/2008 5:34:26 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: theKid51

ping


13 posted on 08/04/2008 5:34:49 PM PDT by bmwcyle (If God wanted us to be Socialist, Karl Marx would have been born in America.)
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To: Clint Williams

The vatican is a good deal like Bill Clinton. They’ll give apologies all over the place which will mean absolutely nothing.


14 posted on 08/04/2008 5:35:23 PM PDT by curmudgeonII
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

They evolved into Free Masons.


15 posted on 08/04/2008 5:37:42 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: Clint Williams

CHAPTER XLVII

OF THE BENEFIT THAT PROCEEDETH FROM SUCH DARKNESS, AND TO WHOM IT ACCRUETH

After that certain Churches had renounced this universal power of the Pope, one would expect, in reason, that the civil sovereigns in all those Churches should have recovered so much of it as (before they had unadvisedly let it go) was their own right and in their own hands. And in England it was so in effect; saving that they by whom the kings administered the government of religion, by maintaining their employment to be in God's right, seemed to usurp, if not a supremacy, yet an independency on the civil power: and they but seemed to usurp it, inasmuch as they acknowledged a right in the king to deprive them of the exercise of their functions at his pleasure.

But in those places where the presbytery took that office, though many other doctrines of the Church of Rome were forbidden to be taught; yet this doctrine, that the kingdom of Christ is already come, and that it began at the resurrection of our Saviour, was still retained. But cui bono? What profit did they expect from it? The same which the popes expected: to have a sovereign power over the people. For what is it for men to excommunicate their lawful king, but to keep him from all places of God's public service in his own kingdom; and with force to resist him when he with force endeavoureth to correct them? Or what is it, without authority from the civil sovereign, to excommunicate any person, but to take from him his lawful liberty, that is, to usurp an unlawful power over their brethren? The authors therefore of this darkness in religion are the Roman and the Presbyterian clergy.

Thomas Hobbes http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/phl302/texts/hobbes/leviathan-k.html#CHAPTERXLVII

16 posted on 08/04/2008 5:40:11 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Clint Williams

Hey, I think I’m going to sue the Vatican as well for something they did to my ancestors in the Middle Ages. I don’t know of anything in particular; but I’m sure something or other happened back then.


17 posted on 08/04/2008 5:43:08 PM PDT by eclecticEel (men who believe deeply in something, even wrong, usually triumph over men who believe in nothing)
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To: Clint Williams

Saving for later e-mailing to some friends.


18 posted on 08/04/2008 5:51:45 PM PDT by Volunteer (Just so you know, I am ashamed the Dixie Chicks make records in Nashville.)
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To: Clint Williams

Better yet, reassemble your forces and regain your lost wealth by plundering the lands of the Unbelievers. Start with Saudi Arabia ...


19 posted on 08/04/2008 6:00:25 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Clint Williams

Being a Cuban, I am going to sue: (1) The Lebanese Government, for the invasion of my ancestral home by the Pheonecians and thier spawn, the Carhaginians; (2) Greece for the invasion of my ancestral home by the Ancient Greeks; (3) Italy and the City of Rome for the conquest of Spain by Rome; (4) Germany, lets not forget those damn Visigoths!; (5) [Can’t sue Islam, its a Religion of Peace, we were the Crusading occupiers (repeat 20,000 times] (6) France, for the War of Spanish Succession and that horrible Napoleonic occupation; (7) England, how dare they invade Napoleonic Spain! and (8) The United States, for the Spanish American War.


20 posted on 08/04/2008 6:02:54 PM PDT by The Cuban
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To: Clint Williams
They need to file on the next available Friday 13th
21 posted on 08/04/2008 6:03:06 PM PDT by ThreePuttinDude () ......Pelosi + Reed = $ 4.00 per gallon......()
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To: Lockbar

Hell, good luck just proving they are the same organization.


22 posted on 08/04/2008 6:03:32 PM PDT by SlapHappyPappy
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To: Clint Williams

Where do I sign up?


23 posted on 08/04/2008 6:12:46 PM PDT by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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To: Clint Williams
These are the bastards, under Reynault de Chatillon and others, who were responsible for the brutal massacre of Jews and Muslims when Jerusalem was taken. So the lot of them should be massacred.

On the other hand they were just stealing from others who had stolen so there is no justice to be had by giving them anything.

However, if this proceeds through the Courts, then I want the Maltese Falcon exempted from the proceedings and declared a world treasure which cannot be possessed by anyone.

24 posted on 08/04/2008 6:15:10 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: dynachrome
The treasure is on Oak Island.

The treasure was on Oak Island. It was moved to Rosslyn Chapel in Scotland and now resides in the basement of the new Louvre Annex in Paris.

Didn't you see "The DaVinci Code"?

25 posted on 08/04/2008 6:16:43 PM PDT by Publius (Another Republican for Obama -- NOT!!)
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To: Publius

“moved to Rosslyn Chapel in Scotland”
A head fake by the Illumanati.


26 posted on 08/04/2008 6:34:46 PM PDT by dynachrome (Henry Bowman is right)
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To: dynachrome
A head fake by the Illuminati.

maybe we just want people to think that ...

27 posted on 08/04/2008 6:47:47 PM PDT by fnord (If gun owners, pot smokers, and poker players start a political party, they'd never lose an election)
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To: Clint Williams

...the Pope should sue England for Henry the 8th’s seizing of church property...


28 posted on 08/04/2008 6:49:59 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Obama for President!)
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To: Clint Williams

What do their demands matter - they were a religious organisation answerable directly to the Pope. If they claim to be the organisation, he can simply smile and say, by the way, I order you to relinquish all claims to those assets your order used to hold as part of the Catholic Church...


29 posted on 08/04/2008 6:50:41 PM PDT by Androcles (All your typos are belong to us)
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To: Clint Williams
...a laborious court case through the creaking Spanish legal system...

Riiiiiight.... Good thing Spain has NEVER been in lockstep with the Catholic Church. Granted, things are changing, but methinks not that much.

30 posted on 08/04/2008 9:09:41 PM PDT by akorahil (Thank You and God bless all Veterans. Truly, the real heroes.)
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To: Androcles
What do their demands matter - they were a religious organisation answerable directly to the Pope. If they claim to be the organisation, he can simply smile and say, by the way, I order you to relinquish all claims to those assets your order used to hold as part of the Catholic Church...

Yeah, maybe next time they will read the fine print about infallibility. Also, I can see the next headline:

Vatican to Knights Templar: You'll get your money when you can show you have been executing your duty of "protecting pilgrims en route to the Holy Land for the last few hundred years. Mind you, I am not defending the Church on this one, but I am pointing out that even a revered name can file a frivolous lawsuit

31 posted on 08/04/2008 9:17:04 PM PDT by akorahil (Thank You and God bless all Veterans. Truly, the real heroes.)
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To: The Cuban

You left out the Vandals and Suevi, the Byzantines (under Justinian), and the Franks (under Charlemagne).


32 posted on 08/04/2008 9:52:30 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: The Cuban

“....Being a Cuban, I am going to sue: (1) The Lebanese Government, for the invasion of my ancestral home by the Pheonecians and thier spawn, the Carhaginians; (2) Greece for the invasion of my ancestral home by the Ancient Greeks; (3) Italy and the City of Rome for the conquest of Spain by Rome; (4) Germany, lets not forget those damn Visigoths!; (5) [Can’t sue Islam, its a Religion of Peace, we were the Crusading occupiers (repeat 20,000 times] (6) France, for the War of Spanish Succession and that horrible Napoleonic occupation; (7) England, how dare they invade Napoleonic Spain! and (8) The United States, for the Spanish American War....”

I’d like to join you suit as a class action against Rome for building that damn wall across England and depriving my Scottish ancestors of their livelihood of raiding and pillaging.


33 posted on 08/05/2008 6:54:33 AM PDT by Islander7 ("Show me an honest politician and I will show you a case of mistaken identity.")
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To: Clint Williams

MEDIEVIL PING


34 posted on 08/05/2008 9:15:01 AM PDT by Armed Civilian ("Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.")
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