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*Breaking* Sister Mayas Name Uncovered on Alleged Obama Birth Certificate
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/05/breaking-sister-mayas-birth-certificate-used-to-forge-obamas/#more-1493 ^ | 8/5/2008 | Texas Darlin

Posted on 08/05/2008 4:41:40 AM PDT by Neville72

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To: Jabba the Nutt

They are trying. Most of the anti-Obama stuff is Hillary supporters.

Just this morning a Hillary supporter accused Google of allowing Obama supporters of shutting down her blog.


51 posted on 08/05/2008 5:52:18 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: Jabba the Nutt

They are trying. Most of the anti-Obama stuff is Hillary supporters.

Just this morning a Hillary supporter accused Google of allowing Obama supporters of shutting down her blog.


52 posted on 08/05/2008 5:52:20 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: a real Sheila

They tried to downplay and smear the Swiftboat Vets too, but it held up to the REAL Vets out there.


53 posted on 08/05/2008 5:53:00 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: Miss Didi
"Bubba to ABC News yesterday: “I think everybody’s got a right to run for president who qualifies under the Constitution.”

I saw that, and immediatly thought Clinton was up to something. It was parsed. It was an awkward statement. Why not just say, "He had a right to run." We all know Bubba parses his words carefully.

A great follow-up question by the reporter would have been: "And, does Obama qualify under the Constitution?"

54 posted on 08/05/2008 5:53:26 AM PDT by LZ_Bayonet (There's Always Something.............And there's always something worse!)
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To: Miss Didi

OH! They know. That is a beautiful statement!! They know!

Beautiful as in, I need to go get some popcorn.


55 posted on 08/05/2008 5:53:30 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: webstersII

No, by constitution, his mother would have had to live here for 5 years over the age of 16. She was 18 when she had him. Plus, if she were married to a Kenyan, as Obama claims, he would be dual UK citizen. THEN, he was adopted by an Indonesian, that would make him dual citizen of Indonesia.

A president cannot have held, or hold dual citizenship with another country.

But by hanging on to his father’s name and identity, and the all the “Father” books that have nothing to do with the man who raised him, but only with the man who abandoned him at the age of TWO years old. He is wiping out his citizenship and/or religion.


56 posted on 08/05/2008 5:55:46 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: xzins

You are confusing “Citizen” with “Natural Born”. Look up the difference.


57 posted on 08/05/2008 5:57:40 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: EQAndyBuzz

I think it’s too late for Hillary (presuming McCain lives through election day). I think she would have been tough to beat as the regular nominee, but as a last-minute substitution on a technicality? No, McCain is too acceptable to too many for that. I just wouldn’t want to see McCain borrowing any airplanes from Hill’s campaign!


58 posted on 08/05/2008 5:59:25 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: ClearCase_guy

Plus, there is the “natural born” issue.

I think people are confusing the citizen with natural born citizen.

There is nothing illegal about Obama holding dual citizenships or even just being a citizen. But there are specific requirements to become POTUS.


59 posted on 08/05/2008 5:59:33 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: xzins

Interesting post but that wasn’t the law and didn’t apply before 1986 and certainly wasn’t in 1961 at the time of Soetoro/Obama/Dunham’s birth.

This was the requirement to satisfy prior to 1986 and applied to all born before that date.

“U.S. law at the time of his birth required his natural-born parent (his mother) to have resided in the United States for 10 years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.’”

Obama/Soetoro/Dunham’s mother was 18 years old at the time of his birth. she would have had to be 21 to have been able to confer natural-born citizenship to him in the event his father was a foreigner


60 posted on 08/05/2008 5:59:52 AM PDT by Neville72 (uist)
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To: a real Sheila
His diehard supporters don’t give a crap if he is not a U.S. citizen

But who cares?! The battle is for the middle voters and they are not under the Obama Zombie influence.

61 posted on 08/05/2008 6:02:40 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Miss Didi
who qualifies under the Constitution

What does Slick know and when did he know it? :)

62 posted on 08/05/2008 6:04:08 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Watch... Hillary will be sitting in the Whitehouse in 2009.

STOP IT!!!!! REPEAT THIS 20X! Hiltlery needs the Bambi cultists and blacks and would lose a fair percentage of them if he is not "The One", for any reason whatsoever.

63 posted on 08/05/2008 6:08:30 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited; LZ_Bayonet; autumnraine
Bubba drops a hint about the bomb about to drop.
64 posted on 08/05/2008 6:11:43 AM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Neville72
Obama did not order his own because he didn’t want a chatty Hawaii Govt. employee to notice that the child’s name on his COLB is Barry Soetoro

While I still think it is an interesting question as to why Obama won't produce a real birth certificate, statements such as the one quoted above seem to me to disqualify this entire article. By now it seems known that a son was born to a Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama from a birth announcement in an August 1961 edition of the Honolulu Advertiser.

I suppose that this announcement could be a fake too, but it was found by someone who would have appeared to have a motive not to find it. Until and unless reasonable doubt can be cast upon this announcement though, people who suggest that Obama was not born as Obama in Hawaii will look pretty foolish to me.

ML/NJ

65 posted on 08/05/2008 6:15:43 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Neville72
In the coming days, Techdude will provide a final report that fully discloses his discovery, and provides all the fancy technical data, images, formulae etc. that everyone has come to expect.

In the coming days. Would have been a story if he had done that now.

66 posted on 08/05/2008 6:16:06 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Miss Didi

Amazing. I just watched that, and it’s a classic Clintonian move. He just threw it in there, casually, out of the blue. I thought they had truly given up on this cycle, but they must be up to something.


67 posted on 08/05/2008 6:16:12 AM PDT by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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To: Neville72

bump


68 posted on 08/05/2008 6:19:49 AM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Then you shouldn’t have any problem showing us the proof. Why hold back?

Þ


69 posted on 08/05/2008 6:24:27 AM PDT by BykrBayb (www.lifeforlauren.org Þ)
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To: webstersII
If his mother was a US citizen, even if he is born on foreign soil that still makes him a US citizen, doesn’t it?

For that answer, I refer you to the Law of Nations, which is contained in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 10 of the US Constitution.

BOOK I. OF NATIONS CONSIDERED IN THEMSELVES
CHAP. XIX. OF OUR NATIVE COUNTRY, AND SEVERAL THINGS THAT RELATE TO IT.

§ 215. Children of citizens born in a foreign country.
It is asked whether the children born of citizens in a foreign country are citizens? The laws have decided this question in several countries, and their regulations must be followed.(59) By the law of nature alone, children follow the condition of their fathers, and enter into all their rights (§ 212); the place of birth produces no change in this particular, and cannot, of itself, furnish any reason for taking from a child what nature has given him; I say "of itself," for, civil or political laws may, for particular reasons, ordain otherwise. But I suppose that the father has not entirely quitted his country in order to settle elsewhere. If he has fixed his abode in a foreign country, he is become a member of another society, at least as a perpetual inhabitant; and his children will be members of it also.

The citizenship of the father determines the citizenship of the child, so Obama is NOT a natural born citizen according to Constitutional law.

70 posted on 08/05/2008 6:24:39 AM PDT by MamaTexan (A US citizen is a subject, but a US National is a sovereign)
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To: B Knotts
Actually, anyone at all may run for the office. But as is made clear here:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

they may only assume the office if they are eligible.

71 posted on 08/05/2008 6:27:54 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Miss Didi
"Bubba to ABC News yesterday: “I think everybody’s got a right to run for president who qualifies under the Constitution.”

...in his only public statement in two months.

72 posted on 08/05/2008 6:28:07 AM PDT by cookcounty (Obama, the last man to figure out the Surge ---Except for Nevada's Hopeless Harry)
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To: Diogenesis
catch up?
the MSM is busy giving Edwards a Father-of-theYEAR
award and still talking about Katrina.

Shut-Up White Boy

73 posted on 08/05/2008 6:29:32 AM PDT by blam
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To: Miss Didi

Hysteria in the street. I can see it now.

Either way this goes, it is not going to be good.

This may be a whitey tape. But if my paranoid mind is right, I wonder if the “whitey” tape wasn’t put out there to make anything seem ridiculous that is brought up. I hope that makes sense.


74 posted on 08/05/2008 6:31:29 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: ml/nj

That’s because you haven’t read the whole story.

Barack Obama was adopted by his stepfather, Lolo Soteoro.

His bio father is Barack Obama. His legal father is Lolo Soteoro or he couldn’t have gone to school in Indonesia. Read Texas Darling’s blogs by Judah Somebody. I know it seems as if you have walked in the middle of a conversation and it doesn’t make sense. But seriously, the points Judah brings up (he is a historian and has research thoroughly on the times he was living in Indonesia) is really interesting.


75 posted on 08/05/2008 6:35:58 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: ml/nj

I can understand his original birth certificate being sealed, and it being replaced with one with his adoptive, Indonesian father. But in that case, why not just pull out his original birth certificate that he claims to have? It would seem odd for him to have an embarrassment to hide there—as well as the Indonesian issue.

It is strange that he would have described down to the color the original birth certificate he said in one of his fictionalized autobiographies that he recalled seeing. My guess is he was plotting an eligibility cover up even back then. He never had such a birth certificate, for whatever reason, and Hawaii officially has only his adoptive one now.


76 posted on 08/05/2008 6:37:13 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 17th Miss Regt

Meaning that if you were alive in the 1700’s prior to the Constitution being written, you could run. After that, you had to be born here or born to a citizen at least 21. Right?


77 posted on 08/05/2008 6:38:10 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: 17th Miss Regt

Meaning that if you were alive in the 1700’s prior to the Constitution being written, you could run. After that, you had to be born here or born to a citizen at least 21. Right?


78 posted on 08/05/2008 6:38:10 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: 9YearLurker

Because in Hawaii, the original birth certificate is destroyed when reissued for adoption.

The dual citizenship is the issue I think.


79 posted on 08/05/2008 6:39:37 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: xzins
How certain is this information?

"Grasping at straws" is the first thing that springs to mind...

80 posted on 08/05/2008 6:39:54 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: autumnraine

I think my computer is hiccupping this morning. This is the second double post!


81 posted on 08/05/2008 6:40:06 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: McGruff

Who would be his replacement if he were constitutionally ineligible would be insignificant. Upholding the constitution would be the vital issue no matter the results.

We don’t apply it only when we like the results.


82 posted on 08/05/2008 6:40:24 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: esquirette

ping


83 posted on 08/05/2008 6:40:43 AM PDT by RightField (The older you get .... the older "old" is.)
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To: Neville72; pissant; David; LucyT; Calpernia; Shermy; Enchante; devolve; PhilDragoo; potlatch
Bubba Bull Clintoon quote: "I think everybody's got a right to run for president, who qualifies under the Constitution. And I'd be the last person to begrudge anybody their ambition."


84 posted on 08/05/2008 6:40:44 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Obama, the Oreo, wants special-ed treatment as our untouchable affirmative action candidate)
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To: r9etb

Please read the entire blogs on this. This is a snippet of an ongoing investigation by a historian. Seriously. Go to Texas Darlings website. But beware it is a Hillary supporting website.


85 posted on 08/05/2008 6:41:09 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: Neville72

Bingo. That is correct. I grew up with friends who were born in Africa to an American mother and a Canadian father. While US naturalized citizenship was easy for them to obtain, they were not considered “natural born.”


86 posted on 08/05/2008 6:41:36 AM PDT by cookcounty (Obama, the last man to figure out the Surge ---Except for Nevada's Hopeless Harry)
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To: cookcounty

Exactly.


87 posted on 08/05/2008 6:46:44 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: autumnraine

Please keep in mind that I am only dealing with the ability to run for office. If Obama were elected and then found to be ineligible to be President, he could not be sworn in and the person elected Vice-President would then become President (25th Amendment, I think). Bill and Hillary may be thinking of such a scenario.


88 posted on 08/05/2008 6:48:51 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: xzins

See post # 88.


89 posted on 08/05/2008 6:49:47 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: 9YearLurker
"I can understand his original birth certificate being sealed, and it being replaced with one with his adoptive, Indonesian father. But in that case, why not just pull out his original birth certificate that he claims to have? It would seem odd for him to have an embarrassment to hide there—as well as the Indonesian issue."

I suspect this is all about something less grand: Did Barack dump his Indonesian fathers name and "readopt" his birth name of "..Hussein Obama"so that he could have better entre into the world of African-American radicalism? Not a disqualifier, but nonetheles embarrassing, in that it makes him look all the more like a poseur.

90 posted on 08/05/2008 6:51:47 AM PDT by cookcounty (Obama, the last man to figure out the Surge ---Except for Nevada's Hopeless Harry)
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To: Neville72

Congress decreed in 1790 that “...the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea, or outside the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens...”

In other words, the term “natural born” at the time of the US Constitution’s writing meant someone who was born inside the US. As time went on, as with this 1790 law, it became necessary to include exceptions as “natural born.”

There are a couple of issues with Obama, but if he was born in the US, then he is a natural born US citizen.

1. Without a birth certificate, there is no proof that he was born in the US.

2. Without a DNA swab, there’s no proof that the woman he calls mother is his mother.

3. This article suggests that sister Maya was born in Indonesia and that someone had fabricated a birth certificate for her.


91 posted on 08/05/2008 6:59:08 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: Diogenesis

ROFL!!


92 posted on 08/05/2008 7:00:30 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Miss Didi

“Bubba to ABC News yesterday: “I think everybody’s got a right to run for president who qualifies under the Constitution.””

Perhaps this is the bombshell (and NOT the “whitey” rumors) that the Clinton campaign had during the primaries - but was absolutely afraid to use against Obama.

I sense that whatever information that the busy conservative bloggers are working on, the Clintons already HAVE, and in spades.

- John


93 posted on 08/05/2008 7:01:47 AM PDT by Fishrrman
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To: xzins

Maya’s mother is Barack’s mother.


94 posted on 08/05/2008 7:02:22 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: MamaTexan
For that answer, I refer you to the Law of Nations, which is contained in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 10 of the US Constitution.

The specific clause says: To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations.

Now, the clause (sub-clause, actually, if that) says nothing about the U.S. being bound by the "Law of Nations" -- and, indeed, we are not. The clause (if you really want to call it that....) does nothing more than authorize Congress to "define and punish ... Offences against" it.

Further, it's pretty clear that the "Law of Nations" does not refer to any specific body of internationally promulgated law; rather, it is more a reference to a set of philosophical principles -- which is why Congress was given power to define offenses against it. A good discussion can be found here. In particular:

In the debate on the floor of the Convention, the discussion turned on the question as to whether the terms, ''felonies'' and the ''law of nations,'' were sufficiently precise to be generally understood. The view that these terms were often so vague and indefinite as to require definition eventually prevailed and Congress was authorized to define as well as punish piracies, felonies, and offenses against the law of nations.

It is, further, quite clear that the context of the term as used in the clause you cite is much different from any questions of Obama's citizenship.

95 posted on 08/05/2008 7:02:50 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Out of thin air? Follow the story a bit closer. Thanks


96 posted on 08/05/2008 7:03:16 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: cookcounty

Yes, though he could certainly *claim* he was just going back to his original birth name.


97 posted on 08/05/2008 7:03:59 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: autumnraine
Please read the entire blogs on this

I've read enough to recognize grasping at straws, thanks. Obama was born in the State of Hawaii ... he's Constitutionally eligible.

98 posted on 08/05/2008 7:04:10 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: webstersII

That he forged his birth certificate.


99 posted on 08/05/2008 7:04:11 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: sharkhawk

Maya Kassandra Soetoro was born in Indonesia but having US citizenship is very valuable in the world. Maya’s mother was American so perhaps obtaining a US birth certificate makes sense.


100 posted on 08/05/2008 7:04:21 AM PDT by ricks_place
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