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Hiroshima Plus 63 [Happy Hiroshima Day]
The Moderate Voice ^ | August 6, 2008 | PATRICK EDABURN

Posted on 08/06/2008 7:08:42 AM PDT by PurpleMan

This week marks the 63rd anniversary of the dropping of the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and the beginning of the end of World War 2. As is usually the case every year we have the stories of those who attack the incident as a ‘war crime’. These historical revisionists miss (or ignore) the fact that they are looking back with hindsight and applying modern attitudes to historical times.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: anniversary; hiroshima; wwii
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"SecWar, Reply to your 41011 suggestions approved. Release when ready but not sooner than August 2." Harry S Truman
1 posted on 08/06/2008 7:08:42 AM PDT by PurpleMan
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To: PurpleMan
There were protesters outside the Pentagon this morning. One of there signs said, “We're against nukes.”

I thought, “Good, so am I...I hope no one forces us to use them again.”

2 posted on 08/06/2008 7:11:11 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (If given a choice between a POW and a POS, I'll take the POW.)
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To: PurpleMan
There were protesters outside the Pentagon this morning. One of their signs said, “We're against nukes.”

I thought, “Good, so am I...I hope no one forces us to use them again.”

3 posted on 08/06/2008 7:12:36 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (If given a choice between a POW and a POS, I'll take the POW.)
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To: PurpleMan
looking back with hindsight and applying modern attitudes to historical times.

A shallow and stupid argument.

Lots of responsible voices, including senior members of the US military, regarded the bombings as a war crime at the time.

4 posted on 08/06/2008 7:13:38 AM PDT by Romulus ("Ira enim viri iustitiam Dei non operatur")
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To: PurpleMan

That bomb saved a lot of lives. It was a happy day indeed for those troops scheduled to invade Japan.


5 posted on 08/06/2008 7:14:04 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (300 Million People Going Bust Over High Gasoline Prices and Hussein Obama Wants to Hug Trees.)
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To: PurpleMan

90,000 Japanese killed

600,000+ American servicemen saved 1,000,000+ Japanese civilians saved

6 posted on 08/06/2008 7:16:42 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: Romulus

looking back with hindsight and applying modern attitudes to historical times.

“A shallow and stupid argument.”

Actually, that somthing that is continually done by historian filled with guilt for what their ancestory thought was the proper action decades and centuries before.

By your reasoning the founding fathers committed crimes against humanity by not outlawing slavery.


7 posted on 08/06/2008 7:16:59 AM PDT by PurpleMan
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
That bomb saved a lot of lives. It was a happy day indeed for those troops scheduled to invade Japan.

Like mine, for instance. My father, a Marine who barely survived the fighting on Okinawa was supposed to be part of the first wave of the invasion of Japan. Macarthur's staff estimated 100% casualties for the first wave. Thank you Harry Truman.

8 posted on 08/06/2008 7:18:56 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
600,000+ American servicemen saved 1,000,000+ Japanese civilians saved

The death toll on the Asian mainland at that time was running around 100k/month. Shortening the war saved the lives of untold numbers of Chinese, Burmese, etc.

9 posted on 08/06/2008 7:20:18 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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10 posted on 08/06/2008 7:20:22 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: PurpleMan

Thank you President Truman and General Tibbets.


11 posted on 08/06/2008 7:21:06 AM PDT by Old Mountain man (Blessed be the Peacemaker.)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr

Without those two bombs, there is no doubt the Japanese would have fought on until the last Jap soldier was dead.

In that respect, we also saved countless JAPANESE lives, a point that few seem to grasp.

And Horishima is such a modern-looking city today...


12 posted on 08/06/2008 7:22:06 AM PDT by Redbob ("WWJBD" ="What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: PurpleMan

They’re having their little protests here in Oak Ridge today. Fortunately, when I go to work, I go in the opposite direction of the protests.


13 posted on 08/06/2008 7:22:09 AM PDT by Tennessee_Bob ("Those who "abjure" violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.")
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To: jalisco555

didnt more people die from the firebombing of Japan than in the 2 nuke hits?


14 posted on 08/06/2008 7:22:15 AM PDT by mriguy67
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15 posted on 08/06/2008 7:24:35 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: PurpleMan

War is hell...too bad the Japanese started one with us.


16 posted on 08/06/2008 7:24:45 AM PDT by Towed_Jumper (Stephen Hopkins: Founding Father who had Cerebral Palsy.."My hand trembles, my heart does not.")
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To: mriguy67
didnt more people die from the firebombing of Japan than in the 2 nuke hits?

Cumulatively yes. Over 100,000 died in a single raid on Tokyo. The death toll from Hiroshima and Nagasaki has always been difficult to pin down due to people dying years later from the residual effect of radiation. Still, more Japanese lives were saved than lost by the atomic bombing.

17 posted on 08/06/2008 7:25:11 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: jalisco555

Same here. My Dad went on to become part of the occupation forces in Japan. Had we decided to invade rather than drop the bomb, I might very well have never been born.

We owe so much to that generation, in more ways than we can possibly count.


18 posted on 08/06/2008 7:26:17 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic ("And how can this be? For I am the Kwisatz Haderach! " - Barack Obama)
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To: PurpleMan
“What’s up, Hiroshi? Let’s light this candle!”
19 posted on 08/06/2008 7:27:42 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: Romulus
"History cannot and must not be judged using the perspective of the rear view mirror."

Mad-as-he$$ circa 1997.

20 posted on 08/06/2008 7:28:59 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Constantly choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.)
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To: reagan_fanatic
Same here. My Dad went on to become part of the occupation forces in Japan.

My Dad too. He was one of the first into Japan.

21 posted on 08/06/2008 7:29:15 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: PurpleMan
August 6 comes close to cancelling the debt created by December 7...


22 posted on 08/06/2008 7:29:54 AM PDT by Redbob ("WWJBD" ="What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: Redbob
In that respect, we also saved countless JAPANESE lives, a point that few seem to grasp.

The fact of the matter is that nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki was the compassionate thing to do. There was far less human suffering in the end than there otherwise would have been. And when you consider that most who died, never new what happened (they died almost instantly), it's hard to argue that there was a better course of action to take. We ought NEVER apologize for it!

HAPPY HIROSHIMA DAY!
23 posted on 08/06/2008 7:37:39 AM PDT by rottndog (Globull Warming "Science" = garbage in, gospel out.)
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To: rottndog
We ought NEVER apologize for it!

That's one more reason why Hussein Obama can not be elected President.

24 posted on 08/06/2008 7:38:59 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (300 Million People Going Bust Over High Gasoline Prices and Hussein Obama Wants to Hug Trees.)
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To: Old Mountain man
Thank you President Truman and General Tibbets.

And thank you all the scientists, engineers, and supporting workers at all levels, both military and civilian, who made the Manhattan Project the success that it was, and who gave us the bomb before our enemies got it.

25 posted on 08/06/2008 7:43:45 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Five Year Plans and New Deals, wrapped in golden chains...)
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To: PurpleMan
An assessment of what an invasion of Japan would probably have entailed.

Little Boy and Fat Man probably saved the lives of tens of millions of Japanese.

26 posted on 08/06/2008 7:45:31 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Fresh Wind

You know you’re a Moonbat if you attend a “Die In” on August 6th. I’m sure Howie carr will steal that line.


27 posted on 08/06/2008 7:47:27 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Fundamentally Fair

What was the one, something like “representing the sins of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

And what were some of them wearing? Potato sacks?


28 posted on 08/06/2008 7:51:20 AM PDT by elc
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To: DuncanWaring

The lesson of Okinawa was that Japanese civilians would also join in the mass suicide an invasion would prompt.


29 posted on 08/06/2008 7:53:20 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr

Although it was the right decision then and looking back. It still was the correct one to make. I have no problem with that decision, I would have made the same one as Truman did. Absolutely it saved countless amount of American lives, and saved even futher destruction of their county. This is a date that should be remembered, absolutely.

However, a tremendous amount of civilians were killed in the initial blast but from the fall out as well. I don’t think that having such a “cavalier and jovial” attitude towards this day is a very respectfull one. Considering...


30 posted on 08/06/2008 7:54:13 AM PDT by cups
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To: Redbob

Where and what is that pic? Thanks.


31 posted on 08/06/2008 7:55:11 AM PDT by gopheraj
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To: PurpleMan

Thank God FDR kicked the feckless Wallace to the curb and replaced him with Harry Truman.


32 posted on 08/06/2008 7:56:21 AM PDT by lesser_satan (Cthulu '08! Why vote for the lesser evil?)
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To: PurpleMan

WHEN THE ATOM BOMB FELL
(Davis, Taylor)

Oh, it went up so loud it divided up the clouds,
And the houses did vanish away.
And a great a ball of light filled the Japanese with fright.
They must have thought it was their judgment day.

Smoke and fire it did flow through the land of Tokyo;
There was brimstone and dust everywhere.
When it all cleared away there the cruel Japs did lay:
The answer to our fighting boys’ prayers,
Yes, Lord, the answer to our fighting boys’ prayers.

There was no atheist in a foxhole,
And men who never prayed before
Lifted tired and bloodshot eyes to heaven
And begged the Lord to end that awful war.

They told Him of their homes and loved ones,
They told Him that they’d like to be there.
I believe the bomb that struck Hiroshima
Was the answer to our fighting boys’ prayers.

Oh, it went up so loud it divided up the clouds,
And the houses did vanish away.
And a great a ball of light filled the Japanese with fright.
They must have thought it was their judgment day.

Smoke and fire it did flow through the land of Tokyo;
There was brimstone and dust everywhere.
When it all cleared away there the cruel Japs did lay:
The answer to our fighting boys’ prayers,
Yes, Lord, the answer to our fighting boys’ prayers.

Recorded by Karl & Harty
Columbia 36 982-4
1946


33 posted on 08/06/2008 7:57:59 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: PurpleMan
My grandfather was esctatic about the A-Bomb. Meant that he could go home, instead of to Japan.

"Don't start what you don't want finished", or some such thing, was generally what he said.

34 posted on 08/06/2008 7:58:50 AM PDT by wbill
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To: elc
And what were some of them wearing? Potato sacks?

You know, I do my best not to even glance at them (or the freaks out there every Monday morning)...they don't deserve it.

35 posted on 08/06/2008 8:01:13 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (If given a choice between a POW and a POS, I'll take the POW.)
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To: PurpleMan
Actually, the many lives saved are only one of the effects for which we should be grateful to the WWII generation. As the People's Republic of Wikipedia puts it:

"As the era of State Shinto came to a close with the end of World War II,..."

Hmm.. why did it come to a close? What would it take for the same thing to happen to Imperial Islam?
36 posted on 08/06/2008 8:02:43 AM PDT by Ragnar54
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To: A.A. Cunningham

“If they do not now accept our terms they may expect a rain of ruin from the air, the like of which has never been seen on this earth....”

There is no way on God’s green earth that ol’ Big-Ears NObama would ever utter such a statement to any enemies of the US.


37 posted on 08/06/2008 8:03:39 AM PDT by PurpleMan
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To: PurpleMan
VJ Day...


38 posted on 08/06/2008 8:04:17 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Five Year Plans and New Deals, wrapped in golden chains...)
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To: gopheraj
Where and what is that pic? Thanks.

Pearl Harbor, Hawaii.

USS Arizona.

39 posted on 08/06/2008 8:05:35 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Whale oil: the renewable biofuel for the 21st century.)
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To: PurpleMan

ATOMIC POWER
(Fred Kirby)

Oh, this world is at a tremble with its strength and mighty power.
They’re sending up to heaven to get the brimstone fire.
Take warning my dear brother, be careful how you plan,
You’re working with the power of God’s own holy hand.

Atomic power, atomic power
Was given by the mighty hand of God,
Atomic power, atomic power
It was given by the mighty hand of God.

You remember two great cities in a distant foreign land
When scorched from the face of earth the power of Japan.
Be careful my dear brother, don’t take away the joy,
But use it for the good of man and never to destroy

Atomic power, atomic power
Was given by the mighty hand of God,
Atomic power, atomic power
It was given by the mighty hand of God.

Hiroshima, Nagasaki paid a big price for their sins
When scorched from the face of earth, their battles could not win.
But on that day of judgment when comes a greater power,
We will not know the minute and we’ll not know the hour.

Atomic power, atomic power
Was given by the mighty hand of God,
Atomic power, atomic power
It was given by the mighty hand of God.

Recorded by Fred kirby, Rex Allen, the Buchanan Brothers, and others, 1946


40 posted on 08/06/2008 8:05:45 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Fresh Wind

Amen.


41 posted on 08/06/2008 8:06:02 AM PDT by Old Mountain man (Blessed be the Peacemaker.)
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To: DuncanWaring

What a story.

The Japanese would have forced the US into obliterating their nation with the invasion.


42 posted on 08/06/2008 8:06:08 AM PDT by valkyry1
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To: gopheraj
Where and what is that pic?

Perhaps you'll recognize it from this perspective:


43 posted on 08/06/2008 8:08:14 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: gopheraj
That picture is of the USS Arizona, blown up and sunk at Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, with the Arizona Memorial built over the sunken ship. Over 1,100 lives were lost on that ship alone that day, including the highest ranking officer killed, Rear Admiral Isaac Kidd.
44 posted on 08/06/2008 8:08:18 AM PDT by fredhead (4-cylinder, air cooled, horizontally opposed......THE REAL VW!!!)
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To: PurpleMan
Happy Hiroshima Day

That is crass.

45 posted on 08/06/2008 8:10:20 AM PDT by PjhCPA (catchy tag lines are boring)
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To: PurpleMan

Before


After



46 posted on 08/06/2008 8:12:38 AM PDT by MaxMax (I'll welcome death when God calls me. Until then, the fight is on)
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To: PurpleMan

Maybe dropping an A-Bomb on Hiroshima wasn’t necessary - there’s no way to find out and it doesn’t matter to me.

What matters to me is, that I thank god that Hitler didn’t have it first.

the physics behind the Bomb are tough to understand and even tougher to apply - but sooner or later someone has to come up with that.

It turned out that germany in it’s madness had driven away a lot of the guys that really understood physics in europe and in germany: Age and Nils Bor, Enrico Fermi, Albert Einstein, Teller, Bethe, Bloch all the guys that gave names to natural constants ...

Oppenheimer (son of a german emigrant) himself recieved his Ph.D. in Göttingen in the Institute of Max Born where he met guys like Heisenberg, Teller and Dirac.


47 posted on 08/06/2008 8:13:16 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there are people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: PurpleMan

ATOMIC COCKTAIL
(Slim Gaillard)

It’s the drink that you don’t pour.
Now when you take one sip you won’t need anymore.
You’re small as a beetle or big as a whale-BOOM-Atomic Cocktail.

Splashes ice all around the place.
When you see it coming, grab your suitcase.
It’ll send you through the sky like airmail-BOOM-Atomic Cocktail.

You push a button, turn a dial.
Your work is done for miles and miles.
When it hits-it’s bound to shake ‘cause it feels just like an earthquake.

That’s the drink that you don’t pour.
When you take one sip you won’t need anymore.
You’re small as a beetle or big as a whale-BOOM-Atomic Cocktail.

Recorded by the Slim Gaillard Quartet
Atomic #215
1946


48 posted on 08/06/2008 8:13:33 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Towed_Jumper

Wellllllllllll,

Bing that Japan was 80% reliant on US oil, there are those who would argue that actually, FRD’s oil embargo on Japan was the first act of war.


49 posted on 08/06/2008 8:13:58 AM PDT by PurpleMan
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To: PurpleMan
August 6, 1945 I was in the South Pacific involved with the rescue of the survivors of the Indianapolis, which was the ship that delivered the A bomb to Tinian island from where it was delivered to Hiroshima.

Later in September our ship was with the 3rd fleet awaiting the surrender.

Whatever the "Revisionists" say negative about the A bomb is pure bunk. Harry Truman was very courageous to make that call for the bomb to be used......It did end the war that the Japs started.

50 posted on 08/06/2008 8:17:36 AM PDT by Oldsailor
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