It ain't over till the fat lady sinks!
Posted on 08/07/2008 5:41:15 AM PDT by MindBender26
It Ain’t Over ‘Till The Fat Lady Sings - - And She Just Hired New Songwriters
The Washington – New York news phones lines were buzzing last night and again this morning. The news is considered so volatile two national news producers were telephoned after 11:30 last night for their input. The story? Hillary Clinton is removing her support (such as it was) from Barack Obama and plans for a knock-down floor fight for the nomination at the Democrat Convention in Denver.
The reason for this is simple, she thinks she can win the nomination, and only she can win the General, and so do many top old line Dems.
Support for Obama from the Washington Dem power elite has been all but absent in the last month. The Super Senators, Kennedy, Biden, Dodd, Schumer and others have not been making headlines for Obama. Terry McAuliffe has been all but silent, and “Screamin’ Dean”; who pressed his mute button? The two co-chairs of the national “Our Great-Great-Great Grandfathers were oppressed… so give us money” crusade, Jackson and Sharpton must be on tour in Mongolia, because they haven’t been making headlines for Obama here.
One overriding argument pervades all their thinking, Obama can’t win the National, and Hillary can. The poll results after Obama’s “We Is The World” tour have been a disaster. It provided a dip, rather than a bump for Barack! Pollsters expected him to be at least 12 to 14 points ahead now, and he is even at best. Obama always gets results about 4% less than he polls, so if the election were held today, it would be McCain in monstrous win.
The Obama decline is clearly indicated in one supposed battleground state, Florida. Obama was up until recently. Now Obama is now down 6 among all voters and one reliable unreleased poll has McCain up 8 among the likely voters. On top of it all, Obama is still sinking, and what possible new message to attract voters does he have? When he shouts “We Must Change”, the crowd is thinking, “Oh, he’s changing his position again.”
I was with him in Lakeland last week (on assignment.) The small crowd was NOT pumped at all.
With that in mind, Hillary is warming up the crowds, and the hormones. She has had the Summer off. She is rested. There was plenty of time for charm lessons.
She can go to Denver not officially supporting, but certainly not discouraging, a floor vote movement. Her mantra? “Count Every Vote!”
The upstart’s message would be very clear; “We Want Hillary For President, and She Wants It Too!”
Hillary would never attack Obama publicly, but loudly decry “Those Republicans for Barack’s disastrous slide in the polls.”
Remember, she is only a few votes behind him in the Dem delegate count, has never released her delegates, and the delegates, especially the Superdelegates, can vote for whomever they wish. There is no legal mandate to support the candidate they promised to support back when they were elected in the primaries.”
Who would support Hillary? The list is extensive.
First, old line Dem Labor. They have votes, a “volunteering” machine and money…. and are far from wild about Obama.
Secondly, the Gay vote. They rarely declare WHY they are for a candidate, but they have huge amounts of money, and are madly in love with Hillary (in more ways than one, perhaps?)
The Dem political machine, all the way down to county level. They want coattails.
The Hispanic vote. Hispanics don’t like Obama, (or Blacks in general) very much. Hispanics love Hillary.
The Women. Down deep, the Rev. Wright may be acceptable to the far-left wing of the Dem party but he scares the hell out of middle of the road women. Dems can expect the Republican 527s to pound that Rev. Wright-Obama connection again and again in the General.
Hard-core Feminists. Do we need an explanation here?
Finally, the Black vote! Of course there would be a revolt in the ranks… for about 10 days. But then Jackson and Sharpton would explain that it was necessary because of the all the damage Republicans had done to Obama…. and a Clinton - -Obama ticket is orgasmic for Dems.
Why would Jackson and Sharpton be onboard? Because they have to be, and because they hate Obama. He didn’t “pay his dues in blood in the streets of Selma.” He didn’t “March with Martin.”
Worst of all for them, an Obama in the White House takes away all the “Poor Oppressed Black People Need Government Help… (and our help, personally) rap that has empowered Jackson and Sharpton for decades. Also, Obama is an ACORN man, not Rainbow/PUSH or National Action Network.
Obama would be told, “You cannot win. That’s your fault. Take the VP slot and smile… and be President in eight years, or leave quietly now.”
Bottom line, Hillary reassembles the entire classic Democrat – Liberal coalitions Dems need to win. High-level Dems are not dumb, at least not stupid, at least in the world of down and dirty electoral politics. They will do what they need to do to win.
In the end, the media would love the fight and the Obama supporters would hate it… for a few weeks, then fall in line behind Hillary. They are pragmatists, not racial ideologs. They would do anything to defeat McCain.
Will this happen? Time will tell, but Hillary is certainly, and quietly, pushing it very hard.
Keep reading between the lines.
Do you want to bet? I give FR a $ 100 if Hillary Clinton is the nominee and you give FR a $ 100 if Obama is the nominee.
Do I get odds?
That is one of the most unprofessional articles I have ever read.
I actually believe this scenario. When Bill Clinton absolutely refused top endorse the Dalibama only saying that he was “qualified” to be pres by the definition in the Constitution, that did for me. The fight is on!
Not going to happen.
Where is Dorothy and a bucket of water when you need her?
While I fully expect a floor fight and have never counted Hillary out I think that they (dems) are delusional if they think this will work. I think that the 'Rats are screwed any way they turn. Blacks, white elitist liberals and the moonbat left will never accept Hillary. This will tear the party apart...I can't wait!
But, but...100,000 screaming Germans loved him!!
OK, no one has a crystal ball, but I’ve been saying all along, BEWARE the Obama/Hillary, Hillary/Obama combo. It ain’t over until its over and once the DNC has their behind closed door talks you may well see the Hillary/Obama ticket. The DNC knows what they have to do to win, and you should not take it lightly.
Invest in popcorn futures NOW!
“Popping corn while Denver burns!”
Let the games..err..riots begin.
There is no link. This is VANITY or should be moved to Personal?
WHY?
How so? He makes his point in a clear and concise fashion and he makes a lot of sense. If you think the Clintons are going to sit by and watch Obama get the nomionation without a fight, while his poll numbers slide, you don't know the Clintons.
I'm not saying she'll win the nomination just that this ain't over yet. Not by a long shot.
I heard Bill Clinton yesterday and he is mightly pissed about being dealt the race card and not having his white pasty butt smooched by BHO.
Who died and made you posting police chief?
I am sure that yo have full evidence of that. Do you know when and where they met? (extreme sarcasm).
Yes, but they are that stupid, r.e.,Howard Dean.
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/10/01/elec02.nj.s.torricelli.race/
What evidence do you have of this?
The last thing I want to see is Hillary as nominee and then president.
If there is some sort of conspiracy to that effect, please give us the proof, so that we can expose her before it's too late.
For being around so long, you act like a n00b. Threads in News/Activism needs links or it’s a VANITY post.
I can see Her Hillaryness in a much more Macchiavellian role. Ostensibly supporting Obama while sinking him so she can run in four years.
I don’t think she or the Dems are quite ready to say goodbye to the black vote if she bumps him off the ticket down to VP.
My son who lives in New York worked for both the Gore and Kerry Campaigns and then for Hillary.
He told me the other night that he would not vote for Obama for president under any circumstances.
He was telling me somewhat this same scuttlebutt that the news on the liberal grapevine is that Obama is a severely flawed candidate.
That the radical liberals took away the Democrats only viable candidate.
I really don't want Hillary to get the nomination, it will be harder for McCain to beat her, but I think she will get it. I think at the convention she is going to unleash the dogs of Hell(forget about the wimpy dogs of war)on Obama.
Cuz their National approval ratings are lower than the President's and as a result they've been told by Obama's handlers to keep their traps shut.
Terry McAuliffe has been all but silent, and “Screamin’ Dean”; who pressed his mute button?
Cuz their National approval ratings are lower than the President's and as a result they've been told by Obama's handlers to keep their traps shut.
The two co-chairs of the national “Our Great-Great-Great Grandfathers were oppressed… so give us money” crusade, Jackson and Sharpton must be on tour in Mongolia, because they haven’t been making headlines for Obama here.
Cuz their National approval ratings are lower than the President's and as a result they've been told by Obama's handlers to keep their traps shut.
hellary has been off the radar, and so has bill, all summer - while The One has not been able to pull it out. mccain has been successful against osamabama with his ads. Can he do the same against hellary?
I was afraid of this.
It ain't over till the fat lady sinks!
OK then speculate. It is so easy to do so on the internet.
It could happen, I suppose.
I doesn’t matter which one is nominated, there will be a segment of the demonrats who won’t vote for the nominee.
But, but...100,000 screaming Germans loved him!!
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Yep. And the Germans did the same thing many years ago. They were wrong.
Reply:
I have a feeling that the next 12 weeks will not be dull no matter who a person supports or the scenario of VP candidates.
Obama is all glitter and no substance, sort of like a movie set with all those fake false front buildings.
I do find it odd that something is a foot in the Obama tank where the MSM is located.
Even Obamas 97% Media supporters have been somewhat quite.
Does anyone here really think that the blacks will riot if that were to happen?
The only thing now that can do in Obama is being caught in bed with a dead woman or a live boy.
First off she is now the keynote speaker. Secondly, it’s been reported here and elsewhere that she has told her delegates NOT to nominate her and pledge votes to her at the convention.
I think it would be a fiasco if she were to change her tune now.
For one thing, Obama has asked her to give the keynote address. What is she going to do? Use that to nominate herself?
This article, or I should say this “vanity” says nothing factual and will probably be pulled.
“I actually believe this scenario. When Bill Clinton absolutely refused top endorse the Dalibama only saying that he was “qualified” to be pres by the definition in the Constitution, that did for me. The fight is on!”
I actually thought the very same thing when I heard rush play this clip the other day? Anyone know if anyone asked Rushed about that “Constitutional” comment?
Oh yeah.
Obama had a lot of trouble putting hIllary away in the primaries. That showed he was weak.
If the Clinton's had remained highly visible over the past couple of months, a Dem might argue that they were stealing Obama's thunder, hogging the spotlight, stopping him from getting traction. But they cleverly disappeared. Obama has had the spotlight to himself. And he has done nothing but screw up. He can't gain traction. He's just showing everyone how weak he is.
I think that a lot of Dems would welcome the chance to dump him. I do think Hillary will try something at the convention. I don't know if she'll succeed, and I do think she will destroy her party if she does succeed. But the Clinton's don't go quietly -- the fact that they've been quiet for the past few months is just evidence that they've got a plan.
The only thing that scares me more than Hillary is Obama.
But then I don’t think Obama is electable.
Hillary is!
Things are not always as they seem, are they?
My you live in interesting times.
Rush has said he has Operation Chaos 2 ready to go. Of course, he has also said ‘we are soooo screwed’.
I’ve thought about this scenario for a while now. Although I’m sure she would have preferred an outright coronation, the process we’ve gone through has had a beneficial effect for a Hillary candidacy... she hasn’t been under the scrutiny she would have been.
In fact, she’s beginning to look good in comparison. I think it’s way too early to write her out.
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