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Mexican soldiers allegedly held Arizona BP agent captive (act of war?)
KGBT4 ^ | August 06, 2008 | Unattributed

Posted on 08/07/2008 9:28:42 AM PDT by Ben Mugged

The U.S. Border Patrol agent's union reported that Mexican soldiers crossed into U.S. territory and held an agent captive at gunpoint during a Sunday night incident.

The National Boder Patrol Council Local 2544 in Tuscon reported on its website that reported that the incident occured near Ajo, Arizona.

The union website reported that the soldiers returned to Mexico without further incident after reinforcements arrived to confront them.

It's not clear why Mexican soldiers were on U.S. territory but union officials said in their website that Mexican soldiers have been known to protect Mexican drug gangs and migrant smugglers.

"Unfortunately, this sort of behavior by Mexican military personnel has been going on for years," Union Local 2544 of the National Border Patrol Council said on its Web page. "They are never held accountable, and the United States government will undoubtedly brush this off as another case of, 'Oh well, they didn't know they were in the United States.' "

The union website said Tuscon Sector agents were grateful that the incident ended without gunfire but reserving further comment on the issue until agency leaders handle the situation.

(Excerpt) Read more at kgbt4.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: aliens; borders; bordersecurity; drugs; drugwar; immigration; invasion; mexicanmilitary; mexico; wod
More evidence of collusion between Mexican army and drug smugglers.
1 posted on 08/07/2008 9:31:04 AM PDT by Ben Mugged
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To: Ben Mugged

And they just keep walking across our borders into our country -— thanks again Washington, DC for NOT DOING YOUR JOB.


2 posted on 08/07/2008 9:33:48 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Ben Mugged

Bush’s worst legacy.


3 posted on 08/07/2008 9:34:25 AM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe ("Victory at all costs...for without true victory, there is no survival." Winston Churchill)
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To: Ben Mugged

Excuse my words, but you’re damned right it’s an act of war. Where’s General Pershing when we need him?


4 posted on 08/07/2008 9:36:55 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Ben Mugged

the United States government will undoubtedly brush this off as another case of, ‘Oh well, they didn’t know they were in the United States.’ “

maybe a clearly marked border would help the hapless mex soldiers ...

... like a fence.


5 posted on 08/07/2008 9:37:51 AM PDT by daku ("My dream continues with ferocity, thank you.")
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To: Ben Mugged
If the Mexican military starts coming home in body bags, the rest will check their GPS’s a little closer.

I would check for a large drug shipment in that area. The Mexican army had to keep the border agent busy to provide cover.

6 posted on 08/07/2008 9:38:13 AM PDT by Stark_GOP
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To: daku

Paging Duncan Hunter bump.


7 posted on 08/07/2008 9:43:25 AM PDT by panaxanax (Writing in Duncan Hunter/John Bolton in 2008!)
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To: Stark_GOP

It may be time for another mexican American War only this time we’ll hold onto the land we take and politely ask the residents of the expanded border to pack it on south (No more Senator Salazars). The Hidalgo Guadalope treaty drove us back to the current boundaries although we had driven them to mexico City. Our chief negotiater gave away the Baja Peninsula although the president explicitly forbade him to do that.


8 posted on 08/07/2008 9:45:21 AM PDT by yorkie01
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To: daku

Exactly.


9 posted on 08/07/2008 9:46:29 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: Dante3

See ... the Gov will go full combat gear SWAT team with tricked out AR’s against one pencil-neck geeky white guy who’s practicing Mormonism 1800’s style but they won’t dare touch Mexican troops entering the country with a ten foot pool!


10 posted on 08/07/2008 9:53:23 AM PDT by Transformers
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To: Ben Mugged

I would consider this an “act of war”!! These are miitary troops confronting a US federal agent on US soil!! Now WE need troops at the borders to protect our BP agents!!


11 posted on 08/07/2008 9:53:44 AM PDT by Of the People - By the People
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

>>”Bush’s worst legacy.”<<

As well as America’s.

Where is Bush? Oh, I forgot, he’s in China smooching Communist behinds. So many butts to kiss, so little time. Nothing will be said about this by the MSM or our President upon his return.

The U.S. citizenry should be in an uproar and march on D.C. DEMANDING THAT BUSH FOLLOW HIS OATH OF OFFICE PLUS RELEASE RAMOS AND CAMPEAN.....TODAY! All it would take is for him to make one simple phone call and they’d be home for dinner.

I guess that wouldn’t fit into the GLOBALIST AGENDA set forth by the ‘greater’ powers, i.e., Tri-Lats, CFR, UN, One World government big wigs, etc. Bush is a puppet to them all, as was Clinton and Daddy Bush.

We’re screwed in ‘08.


12 posted on 08/07/2008 9:56:05 AM PDT by panaxanax (Writing in Duncan Hunter/John Bolton in 2008!)
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To: Of the People - By the People
Now WE need troops at the borders to protect our BP agents!

Right. Because as things stand now, if one of the BP agents shot a Mexican soldier, the BP agent would be sent to jail for 10 years.

13 posted on 08/07/2008 9:57:30 AM PDT by TheCipher
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To: yorkie01

The Baja (including CABO !!!!!) would make a good 51st state, if we could clean out the 3rd world attitude from the place first.


14 posted on 08/07/2008 9:58:39 AM PDT by willgolfforfood
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To: TheCipher
Right. Because as things stand now, if one of the BP agents shot a Mexican soldier, the BP agent would be sent to jail for 10 years.

Wrong. If you shoot a drug smuggler you go to jail for ten years. Shooting a Mexican soldier(if there is even a difference), will probably get you life!

15 posted on 08/07/2008 10:02:00 AM PDT by Carbonsteel
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To: Carbonsteel

I stand corrected !! :-)


16 posted on 08/07/2008 10:06:22 AM PDT by TheCipher
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To: Ben Mugged

Time for Congress to get OUT of the oil business and back IN the business of protecting this country from enemies foreign and domestic — starting with themselves.


17 posted on 08/07/2008 10:07:47 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (ANWR would look great in pumps.)
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To: Ben Mugged
Hey horhay boosh... what do you have to say about this??? Why does President Bush care more for mexican trash than his own Countrymen and Women and CHILDREN???

LLS

18 posted on 08/07/2008 10:11:44 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (REAGANISM... NOT communism!!!)
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To: Ben Mugged

I wonder who the Union is supporting for President?


19 posted on 08/07/2008 10:12:17 AM PDT by rightinthemiddle (The Mainstream Media Controls Our Party. Go, RINOS!)
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To: Da Coyote

“Excuse my words, but you’re damned right it’s an act of war. Where’s General Pershing when we need him?”

I was going to post the same thing before I saw your post.

Good ‘le Blackjack was also the mentor to a young Lt. Patton. We could use another Blackjack today, but our gutless politicians continue to do nothing.


20 posted on 08/07/2008 10:39:36 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: Ben Mugged
"Unfortunately, this sort of behavior by Mexican military personnel has been going on for years," Union Local 2544 of the National Border Patrol Council said on its Web page. "They are never held accountable, and the United States government will undoubtedly brush this off as another case of, 'Oh well, they didn't know they were in the United States.' "

I believe Pancho Villa often used the same excuse.

21 posted on 08/07/2008 10:43:04 AM PDT by Tarkus2040 ("Anything is possible if you don't know what you're talking about." --Barry Farber)
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To: Stark_GOP

The real answer here....is that a fence really existed...you couldn’t accidentally or purposely cross the border. Yet, you won’t see a single senator push for a full-up fence all the way across.


22 posted on 08/07/2008 10:51:16 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: willgolfforfood
The Baja (including CABO !!!!!) would make a good 51st state,

I'm sure that you meant 58th state.

23 posted on 08/07/2008 11:17:18 AM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: Ben Mugged
I hope the Border Agent doesn’t get charged somehow with violating the Mexican soldier's rights. If Johnny Sutton or Jorge Bush get near this; the agent could be a cell mate of Ramos or Compean.
24 posted on 08/07/2008 11:19:54 AM PDT by skully (McCain/Hilton 08' the Cranky/Skanky ticket)
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To: Ben Mugged
Our Border Patrol is well trained and armed, they need to resist armed incursions, hell, they are the BORDER PATROL are they not, under HOMELAND SECURITY? It's up to them to start the incident then something will have to happen. That, or just give up and go home.

I'm pretty disgusted with Federal agencies which are all militarized beyond your wildest imagination (This is not something that I just think, I know). Come on boys, step up to the plate! You see, that's what happens when everyone is raised to be vicitims. Damn, take charge!! Let's do something shall we?

25 posted on 08/07/2008 11:25:25 AM PDT by brushcop (We remember SSG Harrison Brown, PVT Andrew Simmons B CO 2/69 3ID KIA Iraq OIF IV)
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To: Don Corleone

I’m SURE I meant 51 states. I can’t count in Muslim...


26 posted on 08/07/2008 11:26:10 AM PDT by willgolfforfood
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To: Da Coyote

Where’s General Pershing when we need him?

He is as dead as a demorats brain, balls and morals.


27 posted on 08/07/2008 11:27:41 AM PDT by hdstmf
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To: Ben Mugged

My current map of Arizona indicates that Ajo is still 40 miles from Mexico.


28 posted on 08/07/2008 11:31:16 AM PDT by GitmoSailor (AZ Cold War Veteran==Keep FR free donate today==NOBAMA==FairnessDoctrine on FR????)
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To: Ben Mugged
“The soldiers, outfitted in desert camouflage, pointed their rifles at the agent and shouted at him not to move, Crawford said. They lowered their weapons after about four minutes when the agent convinced them of who he was and where they were, she said. The soldiers then retreated into Mexico.”

Let's not blow this out of proportion. It looks like the soldiers may have been chasing a drug suspect and inadvertently crossed over the border. We weren't told if the BP agent was in uniform, but drug/alien smugglers have been know to dress in uniforms. It appears once these soldiers understood the guy was a BP agent and that they were in the US, they beat a path back with their tail between their legs.

There's a lot to be concerned about down on the border, but sensationalizing accidents/mistakes doesn't help the overall cause. I'm not excusing the Mexican soldiers, this was a big goof, but I don't see anything nefarious here.

Of course those looking for/wanting conspiracy will make this out to be another Roswell.

29 posted on 08/07/2008 1:16:41 PM PDT by Bob J (For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one strikes at it's root.)
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To: Bob J

Yeah, Bob J, let’s make sure we ignore the experiences of our professional border patrol agents. You’re right. Nothing to see here, move along...

“It’s not clear why Mexican soldiers were on U.S. territory but union officials said in their website that Mexican soldiers have been known to protect Mexican drug gangs and migrant smugglers.

“Unfortunately, this sort of behavior by Mexican military personnel has been going on for years,” Union Local 2544 of the National Border Patrol Council said on its Web page. “They are never held accountable, and the United States government will undoubtedly brush this off as another case of, ‘Oh well, they didn’t know they were in the United States.’ “


30 posted on 08/07/2008 2:11:29 PM PDT by LSUfan
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To: LSUfan

Since when did you start believing every word coming out of the mouths of Union officials? Even if what he says is true, it doesn’t prove that this was the case in this incident. Each one must be judged separately and on it’s own merits. To do otherwise makes you nothing but a reactionary fool who can’t be trusted.

Running for the torches and pitchforks at every possible opportunity, before finding out all the facts, can not only make you look foolish but lead to “The boy who cried wolf” syndrome. Eventually no one will take you seriously and you will find little support when the really important events/issues arise.

One has to pick and choose their battles wisely or you run off engaging in every concievable cause only to find your resources exhausted when you need them most.


31 posted on 08/07/2008 4:41:10 PM PDT by Bob J (For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one strikes at it's root.)
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