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McGovern: My Party Should Respect Secret Union Ballots
Wall Street Journal ^ | Aug 8, 2008 | George McGovern

Posted on 08/08/2008 2:48:05 AM PDT by The Raven

As a congressman, senator and one-time Democratic nominee for the presidency, I've participated in my share of vigorous public debates over issues of great consequence. And the public has been free to accept or reject the decisions I made when they walked into a ballot booth, drew the curtain and cast their vote. I didn't always win, but I always respected the process.

Voting is an immense privilege.

That is why I am concerned about a new development that could deny this freedom to many Americans. As a longtime friend of labor unions, I must raise my voice against pending legislation I see as a disturbing and undemocratic overreach not in the interest of either management or labor.

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TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: 110th; aflcio; biglabor; democrats; mcgovern; obama; secretballots; unions; unionvote
The Dem-a-nazis want to unionize WalMart with fear and taking away another freedom. So typical.
1 posted on 08/08/2008 2:48:05 AM PDT by The Raven
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To: The Raven
The Dem-a-nazis want to unionize WalMart with fear and taking away another freedom.

Hopefully Wal-Mart's effective union-busting techniques will protect us from these job-killing criminal thug gangs.

2 posted on 08/08/2008 2:54:48 AM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: The Raven

Secret ballot for the Dems . . . great idea Mr. McGovern. And blacks should get a 3/5 vote too.


3 posted on 08/08/2008 2:57:23 AM PDT by Bertha Fanation
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To: The Raven
Mac, you are 86 years old. It is a little late to realize your party is corrupt and Marxist.

You should have listened to your parents, who were both Republican.

4 posted on 08/08/2008 3:03:32 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I wasn't in church during the time when the statements were made.")
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To: Bertha Fanation

Yeah. And maybe do away with primary caucus as well. It didn’t serve you well this year.


5 posted on 08/08/2008 3:04:22 AM PDT by Oldexpat (Drill Here, Drill There..we must drill everywhere.)
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To: Bertha Fanation

I don’t think you understand. It’s the Dems that want to take away the secret ballot union voting. The secret ballot is good and should stay. The unions want to get rid of it.


6 posted on 08/08/2008 3:04:54 AM PDT by visualops (artlife.us -nature photography desktop wallpapers)
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To: pnh102

Walmart has the ultimate in effective strategies for beating the unions. If a store goes union, the company simply declares the site unprofitable due to increased expenses brought about by the union contract, closes the store and moves on to a different location. They are so huge that a store here and there are not critical to the over all bottom line and the message it sends when a store is closed will reverberate far and wide.


7 posted on 08/08/2008 3:07:12 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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To: Bertha Fanation

Huh? McGovern is actually saying something good, for once in his idiotic life. He is trying to protect the rights of workers not to be pressured into “voting” for unionization. The secret ballot is essential to all of us, in all situations, ranging from our presidential elections to votes on whether or not our workplace unionizes.


8 posted on 08/08/2008 3:07:36 AM PDT by livius
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To: SkyPilot
"Mac, you are 86 years old. It is a little late to realize your party is corrupt and Marxist."

McGovern helped make it that way. After all of his Socialist tinkering he went out and tried to make it in business. Went bust in a year.

9 posted on 08/08/2008 3:11:01 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: 101voodoo
If a store goes union, the company simply declares the site unprofitable due to increased expenses brought about by the union contract, closes the store and moves on to a different location.

I remember reading about this. All I could do was laugh. Too bad GM, Ford, Chrysler, and most other companies which have been decimated by the plague of union corruption can't take a few lessons from Walmart's union-busting tactics.

I remember reading about how Walmart had a bunch of butchers at their stores who also unionized. Walmart responded by eliminating the position of butcher in the stores affected.

10 posted on 08/08/2008 3:14:56 AM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: The Raven

From a news article on the “card system” :

“Under the proposed legislation, companies could no longer have the right to insist on one secret ballot. Instead, the Free Choice, or “card check,” legislation would let unions form if more than 50% of workers simply sign a card saying they want to join. It is far easier for unions to get workers to sign cards because the organizers can approach workers repeatedly, over a period of weeks or months, until the union garners enough support.”

“Employers argue that the card system could lead to workers being pressured to sign by pro-union colleagues and organizers. Unions counter that it shields workers from pressure from their employers.”


11 posted on 08/08/2008 3:16:08 AM PDT by The Raven
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To: pnh102

It’s the ultimate retaliation of the employer and is tantamount to a hard kick in the balls (not that there is anything like a soft kick). It just takes the fight right the hell out of you.


12 posted on 08/08/2008 3:26:12 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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To: The Raven

The same people must work for the United Way. Employees are harassed if they choose not to give.


14 posted on 08/08/2008 3:38:56 AM PDT by seemoAR
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To: The Raven

Good for McGovern. He would appear to be on our side on this issue.


15 posted on 08/08/2008 4:02:19 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: The Raven
Good morning Mr. McGovern. Please tell me, how does the coffee smell?
16 posted on 08/08/2008 4:15:42 AM PDT by Roccus (Someday it'll all make sense.....maybe.)
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To: seemoAR
The big corporations practically demand United Way "contributions" and the managers are pressured to see that their department participates.

United Way is an evil way.

Of course the union organizers don't like secret ballots because people would have a chance to reject the intimidation without risking retaliation.Many bad decisions are made solely on the force of a strong personality convincing others to go along without weighing the merits of an action.

17 posted on 08/08/2008 4:32:58 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: hoosierham

Some employers will find some reason to fire workers that refuse to contribute.


19 posted on 08/08/2008 5:18:39 AM PDT by seemoAR
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To: Slump Tester
McGovern is still kicking? We'll have reason to celebrate soon enough. That shriveled little pansy has gotta be about ready to croak.

that is a disgusting post. One of the worst I have ever read on this forum. You should be ashamed.

McGovern was a WWII hero and was a pilot of a B24 over Eurpoe, the most dangerous job in WWII.

Maybe you should shrivel up and leave Free Republic.

20 posted on 08/08/2008 5:33:02 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Slump Tester

Then the riots will start , I bet.


21 posted on 08/08/2008 5:53:44 AM PDT by Vaduz (and just think how clean the cities would become again.)
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To: The Raven

Your Democrat party doesn’t respect anything but open displays of homosexual penetration on parade floats, and money, McG. The unions have money, so your party will do as the unions order and will try to institute “card check” for voting on unionization.


22 posted on 08/08/2008 6:00:51 AM PDT by flowerplough (Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. -Michelle)
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To: 101voodoo
Walmart has the ultimate in effective strategies for beating the unions. If a store goes union, the company simply declares the site unprofitable due to increased expenses brought about by the union contract, closes the store and moves on to a different location. They are so huge that a store here and there are not critical to the over all bottom line and the message it sends when a store is closed will reverberate far and wide.

Do you happen to have a link to a story on this? I haven't read of it happening.

23 posted on 08/08/2008 6:08:41 AM PDT by Bob
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To: Slump Tester
We'll have reason to celebrate soon enough. That shriveled little pansy has gotta be about ready to croak.

What an incredibly petty, and evil sentiment.

24 posted on 08/08/2008 7:17:48 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: The Raven

Has anyone heard the unions’ defense of taking away the right of a secret ballot?

I would find it amusing to hear their justification of this obvious intimidation tactic.


25 posted on 08/08/2008 7:21:03 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: P-Marlowe
It's George McGovern and his liberal ilk who have screwed up our country to the state it is today.

How can a conservative possibly find ANYTHING good to say about a worthless liberal puke loser like George McGovern?

You probably think John Kerry is a war hero too.

26 posted on 08/08/2008 12:59:27 PM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Bob

Here’s something bit if you google it there is much more. The Union will never crack Walmart to any extent. They are simply to powerful and the union cannot offer the employees anything that Walmart will pay under duress.
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At Jonquiere, the union did not last long. But the struggle between Wal-Mart and its former employees has become a cause célèbre in Canada. The United Food and Trade Workers’ Union (TUAC) has organized anti-Wal-Mart demonstrations across the country.

“In 30 years of union activism, I have never seen anything like it,” said Yvon Bellemare, president of the TUAC. He believes the closure of the only store that dared to unionize, “is a Wal-Mart message addressed to the United States and elsewhere to say, ‘If you want to unionize, we’ll close you down’.”

When Ms Lavoie and her fellow-cashier, Johanne Desbiens, proposed the union, the response from colleagues was lukewarm. Wal-Mart’s anti-union stance was well known. In 2000, when 11 Texas meat-cutters voted to join a union, their department was simply eliminated. “There was always a bunch at Jonquiere who were against the union and who were intimidating,” Ms Desbiens said. “There have been third parties saying we were going to be beaten up.”

But, gradually, more colleagues became involved. This, after all, was not the United States, where only 12.5 per cent of workers are unionized. In Canada, the equivalent figure is 28.6 per cent. Not all employees were happy with wages starting at about US$6.20 (£3.29) an hour and rules limiting some workers to 28 hours a week.

But Wal-Mart’s directors acted quickly. A meeting of all employees was called. The union organizers were publicly named. The intimidation of union activists began, although Wal-Mart strongly denies involvement in the threats made to Ms Lavoie and Ms Desbiens. “We would never, ever support the intimidation of anybody,” a Wal-Mart spokes-person told The Independent. “It would be grounds for dismissal.”

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0511-03.htm


27 posted on 08/08/2008 1:39:40 PM PDT by 101voodoo
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To: MrB
I would find it amusing to hear their justification of this obvious intimidation tactic.

It goes well beyond amusing, all the way to absolutely laughable. The unions claim that the secret ballot allows the company to harass workers into not voting for the union.

28 posted on 08/08/2008 2:06:31 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Slump Tester; Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator; Sidebar Moderator
How can a conservative possibly find ANYTHING good to say about a worthless liberal puke loser like George McGovern?

George McGovern was a war hero, a man who literally put his life on the line for this country; a man who did what I do not believe I would be capable of doing, flying a bomber through enemy territory and flying directly into the face of anti-aircraft flack.

The man had liberal positions, but in my book he was an OK guy; he was sincere, but he was sincerely wrong, and still is.

The difference between liberals and conservatives is that conservatives believe that liberals (like George McGovern) are wrong, but liberals think that conservatives are evil.

Well sir, by your comments you prove the case for the liberals. You would relish at the thought of a great war hero like McGovern dying. In my book that is as anti-American as anything you can read on Democrat Underground.

You are a disgrace to this forum.

29 posted on 08/08/2008 2:44:09 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe

What ever - We’ll be making popcorn.


30 posted on 08/08/2008 3:55:50 PM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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