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Natíl Post: ĎYouíll Missí The Old Media When Its Gone
MensNewsDaily.com ^ | August 8, 2008 | By Warner Todd Huston

Posted on 08/08/2008 12:51:45 PM PDT by RogerFGay

Jonathan Kay of the National Post (Canada) is sure that we'll miss the old media when its gone. So sure he wrote a paean to how great the media is... and he missed the target by a wide margin on every point he made. Unfortunately, he took a good point and made a mockery of the truth of the matter with his wrongheaded reasoning.

In "You'll miss us when we're gone" Kay asserts that the media exists for "a genuine, altruistic desire for an educated citizenry" and hopes that predictions of its "imminent extinction" are wrong. He also claims that there are "certain kinds of important stories that simply cannot be covered, except by deep-pocketed traditional media organizations employing professional journalists." Aside from imagining that the press is at all interested in "education" he isn't too far off the mark here.

We do need the media, at least a media with "deep pockets" that can afford to cover things in some depth and at distance, the distance of the whole globe. Not too many bloggers and new media folks can afford to go about the world interviewing folks and investigating stories. Sure its a small world these days, but boots on the ground is an important thing to investigative writing. So, the old media does serve an important role. It isn't a role that bloggers and new media people cannot do, of course. But it is an important role nonetheless.

But, back to Kay's assertion that the media is interested in "education." They most assuredly are not. What they are interested in is indoctrinating their readers in a certain worldview.


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1 posted on 08/08/2008 12:58:09 PM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay

Well then, you go away and I’ll let you know if I miss you...


2 posted on 08/08/2008 12:59:19 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Obama for President!)
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To: RogerFGay

Yeah, right.

They can put Beetle Bailey on-line too, you know.


3 posted on 08/08/2008 1:00:06 PM PDT by WayneS (What the hell is wrong with these people?)
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To: RogerFGay
Oh, we'll miss your traitorous a$$e$ when you're gone...

With a BIG smile on our faces...

4 posted on 08/08/2008 1:00:13 PM PDT by kromike
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To: RogerFGay

“...employing professional journalists...”

It all depends on what the meaning of “professional” is...


5 posted on 08/08/2008 1:02:15 PM PDT by WayneS (What the hell is wrong with these people?)
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To: RogerFGay
HA! It's this exact dishonest BS that's flushing them down history's toilet:

....asserts that the media exists for "a genuine, altruistic desire for an educated citizenry"

6 posted on 08/08/2008 1:04:08 PM PDT by Sax (this idea was not a practical deterrent, for reasons which, at this moment, must be all too obvious)
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To: RogerFGay

We won’t miss the liberal media when it’s gone. LOL!


7 posted on 08/08/2008 1:04:09 PM PDT by mainestategop (MAINE: Come in and get taxed)
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To: RogerFGay

If there is a market demand for the old media after it dies, it will then be revived.

Old media flourished because money and influence could be gained by being a publisher.

Old media is not some magic sacred cow, despite their incessant mooing to the contrary.


8 posted on 08/08/2008 1:05:07 PM PDT by Notwithstanding ("You are either with America in our time of need or you are not" - Hillary from Senate well 9/12/01)
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To: RogerFGay
Not too many bloggers and new media folks can afford to go about the world interviewing folks and investigating stories.

Is this really a bad thing? I live in Arizona. It drives me crazy when the newsies tell me that they are having a thunderstorm in Maine, Washington and Oahu or that some woman living in Atlanta, Georgia has 150 cats living with her in her mobile home. There is such as thing as TOO MUCH information.

9 posted on 08/08/2008 1:05:52 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("I'm trying to save the planet!" - Nancy Pelosi ..........ROTFLMAO! What a dumbass!)
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To: RogerFGay

Well, I too can write a pecan to how great the media is. I missed you long ago when you eschewed any original thinking at penalty of your job and started parroting any old press release any old press rep hack was willing to copy and place in your hand.


10 posted on 08/08/2008 1:06:13 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Congrasites = Congressional parasites.)
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To: RogerFGay

“the media exists for “a genuine, altruistic desire for an educated citizenry””

Wow.....violent, projectile barf alert!


11 posted on 08/08/2008 1:06:47 PM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: RogerFGay
From the Kay article:

Just penetrating this filthy world marks an amazing accomplishment for Schwartz: Somehow, this established New York City journalist gained the trust of cynical, nihilistic misanthropes who, by their own professed creed, don't trust anyone. They met him, in the flesh, showed him where they live and even let him watch as they went about their trolling.

Yes, it's SOOO difficult, when any idiot with an internet connection can go to Encyclopedia Dramatica and read about every significant act of trolling ever committed, with docs on a lot of the trolls.

12 posted on 08/08/2008 1:07:20 PM PDT by lesser_satan (Cthulu '08! Why vote for the lesser evil?)
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To: RogerFGay
Kay asserts that the media exists for "a genuine, altruistic desire for an educated citizenry"

You can't miss something that doesn't exist.

13 posted on 08/08/2008 1:10:20 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: RogerFGay
What they are interested in is indoctrinating their readers in a certain worldview.

Wrong. Their primary interest is in maximizing the number of readers so that they can command higher advertising rates. They're not in the business, nor are they in the business of indoctrination; they're in the business of selling audiences. Unfortunately most media outlets take the easy route of building audiences by pandering to people's worst instincts.

14 posted on 08/08/2008 1:10:24 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (TSA and DHS are jobs programs for people who are not smart enough to flip burgers)
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To: RogerFGay
He also claims that there are "certain kinds of important stories that simply cannot be covered, except by deep-pocketed traditional media organizations employing professional journalists."

Yeah, and likewise those important stories that conflict with the media's agenda can be BURIED DEEP by those "deep-pocketed traditional media organizations."

15 posted on 08/08/2008 1:10:36 PM PDT by avacado
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To: RogerFGay

Anyone else want to point out to Mr Kay that it was the tabloid media and blogosphere that broke the Edwards affair story, and not the “old media?”


16 posted on 08/08/2008 1:10:37 PM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
Well, I too can write a pecan

Yeah, but can you candy a pecan?

17 posted on 08/08/2008 1:12:19 PM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: RogerFGay
OK, go away. Then I'll be sure to miss you.

...

...waiting...

18 posted on 08/08/2008 1:13:15 PM PDT by TChris (Vote John McCain: Democrat Lite -- 3% less liberal than a regular Democrat!)
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To: Squawk 8888

I don’t think I agree with you. The media SHOULD be interested in making money. In the old days it was making money vs. being honest. But this post-Vietnam generation of media folks are so absolutely dipped in ideology that they put it before their own survival.

In part, it’s because they move in circles of same-thinking leftists. They don’t even KNOW anybody who voted for Bush. So they just assume that all their readers want to be brainwashed along the same lines that they have been brainwashed. They don’t know any better.


19 posted on 08/08/2008 1:15:13 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: RogerFGay

I don’t catch it now, so how the hell am I gonna miss it when it’s gone?


20 posted on 08/08/2008 1:16:29 PM PDT by umgud
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To: lesser_satan
Actually right now they can't .... (at least without making a donation first.)

ENCYCLOPEDIA DRAMATICA IS ABOUT TO SHUT DOWN FOREVER.

I guess I can't say I'm terribly surprised since I'd never heard of it before reading your comment.
21 posted on 08/08/2008 1:16:31 PM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: Slapshot68

“Wow.....violent, projectile barf alert!”

projectile pelosi alert


22 posted on 08/08/2008 1:21:51 PM PDT by beefree (Is it moossiah or mussiah?)
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To: RogerFGay
Not too many bloggers and new media folks can afford to go about the world interviewing folks and investigating stories.

This statement alone is a load of BS. Long before the MSM held local city/regional monopolies (consolidation only took place 15-20 years ago), competing publications dealt with much smaller profit margins, yet were perfectly able to maintain stables of writers.

How did they do this? Because they relied on LEADS; that is, someone (almost always the opposition) TIPPED them off! All they had to do was perform a cursory evaluation & analysis, summarize the results, and presto, a story appeared.

Bloggers have none of the overhead associated with publishing & delivering hard copy press. There are thousands of interested persons who can perform the same basic tasks from any point in the globe. The motivation for providing tips & leads will never go away.

Only someone who hasn't a clue cannot perceive how the future is going to operate (and is operating right now - re: Edwards).

23 posted on 08/08/2008 1:22:06 PM PDT by semantic
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To: RogerFGay

“you’ll miss us when we’re gone.”

oh no i won’t.


24 posted on 08/08/2008 1:23:40 PM PDT by ripley
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To: semantic

Have you tried it?


25 posted on 08/08/2008 1:24:27 PM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: ripley
Actually, I'd make a list if I wasn't so lazy. Lots of people pooh poohed - which is understandable - the lamestream media has a well deserved bad reputation - but National Post is among the best. They are definitely not your lamestream leftist whore-mongers. They've done lots of really good investigative reporting.

OK, the article is about the lamestream media generally, but it focuses on a National Post article - and that's what I'm on about - for anyone to read who reads all the comments. National Post is an excellent publication, more like you'd want - rather than mostly what you get.
26 posted on 08/08/2008 1:27:33 PM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay
I haven't missed them in the past three or four years, why would I start now?
27 posted on 08/08/2008 1:31:23 PM PDT by fish hawk (a taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders)
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To: RogerFGay

Jonathan, after you’re gone, W won’t be there to bash daily anyway. Your whole purpose in life will be over.


28 posted on 08/08/2008 1:33:19 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Huma for co-president! (it ain't over 'til it's over))
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To: RogerFGay

I have not used the “old media” for at least 5 years now and I can assure you that I do not miss it at all.......


29 posted on 08/08/2008 1:35:22 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Got Freedom ? Thank a Veteran...... Want to keep Freedom? Don't vote Obama)
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To: RogerFGay

Checking stats at the publication website, no more than 1 in 7 are reading the full article before posting comments. The actual number is less, since the calculation is based on the assumption that all new traffic to that page comes from here.


30 posted on 08/08/2008 1:38:10 PM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay

We would have missed you if you had not lied, made up stories, been biased and used your media as a political weapon instead of just reporting the news as it happened. But, you didn’t so we won’t.


31 posted on 08/08/2008 1:39:22 PM PDT by Bitsy
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To: RogerFGay

Kay asserts that the media exists for “a genuine, altruistic desire for an educated citizenry”
YEAH LIKE THE GLOBE AND THE NATIONAL ENQYUIRER


32 posted on 08/08/2008 1:39:48 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (IF YOU ARE NOT CONSERVATIVE BY 35 YOU HAVE NO BRAIN. W CHURCHILL)
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To: RogerFGay

How can I miss you if you won’t go away?


33 posted on 08/08/2008 1:44:55 PM PDT by ArchAngel1983 (Arch Angel- on guard)
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To: semantic

Michael Yon does much better reporting from Iraq than the LSM and does it on donations.


34 posted on 08/08/2008 1:49:31 PM PDT by Mycroft Holmes (Fnord!)
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To: RogerFGay
Not too many bloggers and new media folks can afford to go about the world interviewing folks and investigating stories. Sure its a small world these days, but boots on the ground is an important thing to investigative writing.

Too many times the MSM reporters have been shown to be reporting from a foreign county in the hotel bar reprinting the propaganda brought to them by stringers, who's first alliance is to our enemies.

Yeah, we'll miss that.
/S

35 posted on 08/08/2008 1:56:14 PM PDT by RJL
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To: RogerFGay

I thought it was already gone...


36 posted on 08/08/2008 2:02:48 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: RogerFGay
We'll miss them about as much as people miss chiseling letters onto stone tablets, morse code, and teletypes. And that's being charitable because there are sometimes uses for those even.

Although if I had a bird I guess I would miss the Tennessean.

37 posted on 08/08/2008 2:05:23 PM PDT by hometoroost (...the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual. Galileo)
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To: RogerFGay

“we really do need them. we just need them to get better at what they do.”

before leftists get better at what they do they have to grow up. the chances for a self-appointed intellectual genius to mature is close to impossible. they’ve poisoned the well. all they have to do now is just disappear and get out of everyone’s face; to blazes with them all.


38 posted on 08/08/2008 2:07:47 PM PDT by ripley
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To: RogerFGay
My birds might miss the old press. It gives them a suitable poop target. Fishermen might miss the old press. It provides a cheap resource for wrapping their catch. Intelligent people won't miss the leftist pap. Trees will be saved. Ink will be conserved for more reasonable uses.
39 posted on 08/08/2008 2:12:28 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: RogerFGay
I, for one, do not want the old media destroyed. I want it reformed into a more ideal, worthwhile industry that will better fulfill the charge of educating the public that Kay posited is its charge. I’d like to see a media reformed away from the nearly monolithic leftism it now peddles to a more balanced presentation. Or, baring that, I like to see the creation of enough media outlets that give the conservative side of the issues to balance the preponderance of wild-eyed leftism seen throughout the current old media establishment.
The problem isn't the lack of enough members of the Associated Press, the problem is that members of the Associated Press are in the business of attracting attention and flattering themselves - and anyone who will help them flatter themselves. And that includes other members of the AP, and it includes "liberal" politicians ("liberal" having by now been stripped of all meaning other than as a code for politicians who promote the idea that, pace Theodore Roosevelt, criticism and second guessing is superior to action).

The Right to Know


40 posted on 08/08/2008 2:24:11 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The conceit of journalistic objectivity is profoundly subversive of democratic principle.)
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To: Cicero

“Their primary interest is in maximizing the number of readers so that they can command higher advertising rates.”

“I don’t think I agree with you. The media SHOULD be interested in making money.”

I don’t agree either. In a sane world the media would be maximizing their readership and this should be a market-driven recipe for more even-handed reporting. For whatever reasons, they refuse to do this and have chosen to lie about their partisanship. It is obvious, killing them, and good riddence. The issue is their lack of credibility.


41 posted on 08/08/2008 2:31:34 PM PDT by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: RogerFGay
The Post's site is so processor intensive it almost froze the browser.

As for cretins putting themselves on a pedestal, I wrote the media off forever when they started donning the kneepads on September the 11th of 2001.

42 posted on 08/08/2008 2:32:30 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (The McCainiac's creed: Death to America by a thousand cuts)
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To: RogerFGay

btt


43 posted on 08/08/2008 2:34:01 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: RogerFGay

We will not miss the NEW YORK SLIMES giving information to the enemy while we are at war.


44 posted on 08/08/2008 2:34:28 PM PDT by doug from upland (8 million views of HILLARY! UNCENSORED - put some ice on it, witch)
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To: abb; RogerFGay

BTTT


45 posted on 08/08/2008 2:38:38 PM PDT by SmithL (Drill Dammit!)
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To: kromike

“Oh, we’ll miss your traitorous a$$e$ when you’re gone...
With a BIG smile on our faces...”

Ditto to what you said....


46 posted on 08/08/2008 2:48:31 PM PDT by Gator113 (Drill here, drill now...... or die.)
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To: kromike

Absolutely. I have been reading their slop since the late ‘40’s. The NYTimes, Post and varied Times’ round the nation have always had opeds which were left leaning and one can go back to Punch’s time, Severeid’s time, Lippmann’s time, Alsop though a brother was much better. It has gone on for so long that likely voters do not know how brainwashed they have been over the last 60 years. I remember the Better Red than Dead opeders. I remember the, ‘who lost China’ debate. Hiss vs Chambers. Helen Gahagen Douglas and all the other lies Left have tried to write and speak to sway American foreign policy.


47 posted on 08/08/2008 2:51:28 PM PDT by phillyfanatic
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To: RogerFGay
What they are interested in is indoctrinating their readers in a certain worldview.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Thats why the media are disappearing. No one wants to read propaganda, spun stories, skewed contexts, omitted facts.

Oh Yez! The audience ahs lived and learned. Liken it!

Our numbers are legion!

48 posted on 08/08/2008 2:54:03 PM PDT by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, (Ridicule Obama))
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To: phillyfanatic
I have been reading their slop since the late ‘40’s.

You and me both.

I know exactly what you're talking about. The first fifty years of my life were spent wondering why I didn't agree with the Times, Lippmann, Alsop, et al.

The last twenty years have been spent realizing I was right all along.

49 posted on 08/08/2008 3:01:09 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Squawk 8888
Their primary interest is in maximizing the number of readers so that they can command higher advertising rates.

While I agree this is what they should do, it clearly is not what they are doing. They have chosen to slant the coverage to pander to the liberal left, instead of Americans as a whole. The big mistake in that is far more conservatives actually work for a living and buy products.

In watching the media circus in Israel it became painfully clear that they have an agenda and are willing to prostitute themselves to force their agenda on the US. There they think they are beyond inspection and lie freely in collusion with each other.

Only problem with that is once you become a liar, you begin to believe your own lies. The coverage got farther and farther off course to the point it no longer passes the smell test.

And you do not buy products from people you do not trust. They mistook their understandings of the world as a mandate to edjumacate the peons, er people and it cost them their jobs.

Good.

50 posted on 08/08/2008 3:17:08 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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