Skip to comments.Natíl Post: ĎYouíll Missí The Old Media When Its Gone
Posted on 08/08/2008 12:51:45 PM PDT by RogerFGay
Jonathan Kay of the National Post (Canada) is sure that we'll miss the old media when its gone. So sure he wrote a paean to how great the media is... and he missed the target by a wide margin on every point he made. Unfortunately, he took a good point and made a mockery of the truth of the matter with his wrongheaded reasoning.
In "You'll miss us when we're gone" Kay asserts that the media exists for "a genuine, altruistic desire for an educated citizenry" and hopes that predictions of its "imminent extinction" are wrong. He also claims that there are "certain kinds of important stories that simply cannot be covered, except by deep-pocketed traditional media organizations employing professional journalists." Aside from imagining that the press is at all interested in "education" he isn't too far off the mark here.
We do need the media, at least a media with "deep pockets" that can afford to cover things in some depth and at distance, the distance of the whole globe. Not too many bloggers and new media folks can afford to go about the world interviewing folks and investigating stories. Sure its a small world these days, but boots on the ground is an important thing to investigative writing. So, the old media does serve an important role. It isn't a role that bloggers and new media people cannot do, of course. But it is an important role nonetheless.
But, back to Kay's assertion that the media is interested in "education." They most assuredly are not. What they are interested in is indoctrinating their readers in a certain worldview.
(Excerpt) Read more at mensnewsdaily.com ...
Well then, you go away and I’ll let you know if I miss you...
They can put Beetle Bailey on-line too, you know.
With a BIG smile on our faces...
“...employing professional journalists...”
It all depends on what the meaning of “professional” is...
....asserts that the media exists for "a genuine, altruistic desire for an educated citizenry"
We won’t miss the liberal media when it’s gone. LOL!
If there is a market demand for the old media after it dies, it will then be revived.
Old media flourished because money and influence could be gained by being a publisher.
Old media is not some magic sacred cow, despite their incessant mooing to the contrary.
Is this really a bad thing? I live in Arizona. It drives me crazy when the newsies tell me that they are having a thunderstorm in Maine, Washington and Oahu or that some woman living in Atlanta, Georgia has 150 cats living with her in her mobile home. There is such as thing as TOO MUCH information.
Well, I too can write a pecan to how great the media is. I missed you long ago when you eschewed any original thinking at penalty of your job and started parroting any old press release any old press rep hack was willing to copy and place in your hand.
“the media exists for “a genuine, altruistic desire for an educated citizenry””
Wow.....violent, projectile barf alert!
Just penetrating this filthy world marks an amazing accomplishment for Schwartz: Somehow, this established New York City journalist gained the trust of cynical, nihilistic misanthropes who, by their own professed creed, don't trust anyone. They met him, in the flesh, showed him where they live and even let him watch as they went about their trolling.
Yes, it's SOOO difficult, when any idiot with an internet connection can go to Encyclopedia Dramatica and read about every significant act of trolling ever committed, with docs on a lot of the trolls.
You can't miss something that doesn't exist.
Wrong. Their primary interest is in maximizing the number of readers so that they can command higher advertising rates. They're not in the business, nor are they in the business of indoctrination; they're in the business of selling audiences. Unfortunately most media outlets take the easy route of building audiences by pandering to people's worst instincts.
Yeah, and likewise those important stories that conflict with the media's agenda can be BURIED DEEP by those "deep-pocketed traditional media organizations."
Anyone else want to point out to Mr Kay that it was the tabloid media and blogosphere that broke the Edwards affair story, and not the “old media?”
Yeah, but can you candy a pecan?
I don’t think I agree with you. The media SHOULD be interested in making money. In the old days it was making money vs. being honest. But this post-Vietnam generation of media folks are so absolutely dipped in ideology that they put it before their own survival.
In part, it’s because they move in circles of same-thinking leftists. They don’t even KNOW anybody who voted for Bush. So they just assume that all their readers want to be brainwashed along the same lines that they have been brainwashed. They don’t know any better.
I don’t catch it now, so how the hell am I gonna miss it when it’s gone?
“Wow.....violent, projectile barf alert!”
projectile pelosi alert
This statement alone is a load of BS. Long before the MSM held local city/regional monopolies (consolidation only took place 15-20 years ago), competing publications dealt with much smaller profit margins, yet were perfectly able to maintain stables of writers.
How did they do this? Because they relied on LEADS; that is, someone (almost always the opposition) TIPPED them off! All they had to do was perform a cursory evaluation & analysis, summarize the results, and presto, a story appeared.
Bloggers have none of the overhead associated with publishing & delivering hard copy press. There are thousands of interested persons who can perform the same basic tasks from any point in the globe. The motivation for providing tips & leads will never go away.
Only someone who hasn't a clue cannot perceive how the future is going to operate (and is operating right now - re: Edwards).
“you’ll miss us when we’re gone.”
oh no i won’t.
Have you tried it?
Jonathan, after you’re gone, W won’t be there to bash daily anyway. Your whole purpose in life will be over.
I have not used the “old media” for at least 5 years now and I can assure you that I do not miss it at all.......
Checking stats at the publication website, no more than 1 in 7 are reading the full article before posting comments. The actual number is less, since the calculation is based on the assumption that all new traffic to that page comes from here.
We would have missed you if you had not lied, made up stories, been biased and used your media as a political weapon instead of just reporting the news as it happened. But, you didn’t so we won’t.
Kay asserts that the media exists for “a genuine, altruistic desire for an educated citizenry”
YEAH LIKE THE GLOBE AND THE NATIONAL ENQYUIRER
How can I miss you if you wont go away?
Michael Yon does much better reporting from Iraq than the LSM and does it on donations.
Too many times the MSM reporters have been shown to be reporting from a foreign county in the hotel bar reprinting the propaganda brought to them by stringers, who's first alliance is to our enemies.
Yeah, we'll miss that.
I thought it was already gone...
Although if I had a bird I guess I would miss the Tennessean.
“we really do need them. we just need them to get better at what they do.”
before leftists get better at what they do they have to grow up. the chances for a self-appointed intellectual genius to mature is close to impossible. they’ve poisoned the well. all they have to do now is just disappear and get out of everyone’s face; to blazes with them all.
I, for one, do not want the old media destroyed. I want it reformed into a more ideal, worthwhile industry that will better fulfill the charge of educating the public that Kay posited is its charge. Id like to see a media reformed away from the nearly monolithic leftism it now peddles to a more balanced presentation. Or, baring that, I like to see the creation of enough media outlets that give the conservative side of the issues to balance the preponderance of wild-eyed leftism seen throughout the current old media establishment.
The problem isn't the lack of enough members of the Associated Press, the problem is that members of the Associated Press are in the business of attracting attention and flattering themselves - and anyone who will help them flatter themselves. And that includes other members of the AP, and it includes "liberal" politicians ("liberal" having by now been stripped of all meaning other than as a code for politicians who promote the idea that, pace Theodore Roosevelt, criticism and second guessing is superior to action).
“Their primary interest is in maximizing the number of readers so that they can command higher advertising rates.”
“I dont think I agree with you. The media SHOULD be interested in making money.”
I don’t agree either. In a sane world the media would be maximizing their readership and this should be a market-driven recipe for more even-handed reporting. For whatever reasons, they refuse to do this and have chosen to lie about their partisanship. It is obvious, killing them, and good riddence. The issue is their lack of credibility.
As for cretins putting themselves on a pedestal, I wrote the media off forever when they started donning the kneepads on September the 11th of 2001.
We will not miss the NEW YORK SLIMES giving information to the enemy while we are at war.
“Oh, we’ll miss your traitorous a$$e$ when you’re gone...
With a BIG smile on our faces...”
Ditto to what you said....
Absolutely. I have been reading their slop since the late ‘40’s. The NYTimes, Post and varied Times’ round the nation have always had opeds which were left leaning and one can go back to Punch’s time, Severeid’s time, Lippmann’s time, Alsop though a brother was much better. It has gone on for so long that likely voters do not know how brainwashed they have been over the last 60 years. I remember the Better Red than Dead opeders. I remember the, ‘who lost China’ debate. Hiss vs Chambers. Helen Gahagen Douglas and all the other lies Left have tried to write and speak to sway American foreign policy.
Thats why the media are disappearing. No one wants to read propaganda, spun stories, skewed contexts, omitted facts.
Oh Yez! The audience ahs lived and learned. Liken it!
Our numbers are legion!
You and me both.
I know exactly what you're talking about. The first fifty years of my life were spent wondering why I didn't agree with the Times, Lippmann, Alsop, et al.
The last twenty years have been spent realizing I was right all along.
While I agree this is what they should do, it clearly is not what they are doing. They have chosen to slant the coverage to pander to the liberal left, instead of Americans as a whole. The big mistake in that is far more conservatives actually work for a living and buy products.
In watching the media circus in Israel it became painfully clear that they have an agenda and are willing to prostitute themselves to force their agenda on the US. There they think they are beyond inspection and lie freely in collusion with each other.
Only problem with that is once you become a liar, you begin to believe your own lies. The coverage got farther and farther off course to the point it no longer passes the smell test.
And you do not buy products from people you do not trust. They mistook their understandings of the world as a mandate to edjumacate the peons, er people and it cost them their jobs.