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This day in History: Atomic bomb dropped on Nagasaki (Happy Nagasaki Day!)
History Channel ^ | August 9, 2008 | Staff

Posted on 08/09/2008 3:50:28 AM PDT by abb

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To: stuartcr
I wonder if any of those 60-80k people were non-cambatants?

I guess it depends on what your definition of non-combatant is. Two of the dead were my wife's aunt and cousin. Rice farmers from the countryside who picked the wrong day to go the big city.

101 posted on 08/10/2008 8:38:32 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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To: ntnychik

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Thank you nit, and thanks for the card too.


102 posted on 08/10/2008 8:42:33 PM PDT by potlatch
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104 posted on 08/10/2008 11:22:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: abb
Thank you. Happy Nagasaki Day to you too!

Too many people are trying to brow beat the US over dropping atomic bombs on WWII Japan.

Let them bear witness to our happy day of victory and our pride of the fantastic military achievement.

Let them have no doubt it was the correct thing to do, and we would do it again too.

The alternative would send a wrong historical signal that could lead to a miscalculation on whether we would hesitate to use such weapons again, or we seed doubt in our own minds and in some future war fail to take the necessary action of using such weapons, which could lead to destruction and enslavement.

Speaking historically, it was common for victories to be announced to the public on both sides of the war, which would cause celebration among the people for such great victories. Just because we score the greatest hits, this should be no different. You can bet your bippy that if the shoe was on the other foot they would be celebrating it and we would have lost and most definitely would not be enjoying the modern fruitful lives that the Japanese enjoy today.

105 posted on 08/11/2008 12:03:19 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Vote For McCain But Trust In The LORD.)
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To: GATOR NAVY
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106 posted on 08/11/2008 2:10:06 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: GATOR NAVY

I think most people would call them innocent, non-combatants.


107 posted on 08/11/2008 4:39:02 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: magslinger; libertylover
My dad had just been ordered to the Pacific after getting through N. Africa, Sicily, Anzio, and the Italian campaign, and my father in law was already there, on Iwo, with his orders already cut for the invasion of mainland Japan.


"I feel like a fugitive from th' law of averages."

108 posted on 08/11/2008 6:54:09 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AmericanInTokyo
What you said! Most of these posters on this thread have no idea what the true cost on the ground was, it destroys ALL levity, even though the bomb had to be used for 2 reasons:

1) End the war and save American lives

2) Give a signal to the Russians. Back OFF!( few people know about that one).

As to the candle light vigils, I can understand the Japanese mourning the loss of so , so many, and the necessity of that because of kanagara. Few people understand Obon in the West.

But the Western ding bat cling ons give me the creeps.I call them hearse chasers.

Necessity in war is always redefined by History, in every civilization without exception.

And now we may have to eventually do the same again in the ME. Makes one shudder to think that the Iranians have the same approach to nuclear weapons as many who posted here, necessitating eventual usage by the West.They are as crazy as the Imperial Japanese Spirit Movement mavins of WWII.Too bad we could not have bottled the Nagasaki stench and made an aerosol spray that they could sniff as a virtual reminder of the true context of what had to be done.A decision that one would not want to wish on anyone.

There is no "Happy Nagasaki Day" for anyone.

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109 posted on 08/11/2008 8:22:03 PM PDT by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, (Ridicule Obama))
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To: Candor7
If today we were at declared war with Russia (over Georgia or something) and their agents took a suitcase nuke into San Diego because "it is a military town" and blew it to kingdom come, but then also in the process of dealing a strong blow to our US Navy, also killed or maimed a lot of San Diego citizens in the process (as collateral damage) according to some of these brilliant Freepers, we would have no right to be angry or solemnize the deaths or severe injuries of non-combatants because, hey, that's war.

How anyone could celebrate VJ Day (August 15th) is PERFECTLY understandable, for one celebrates the surrender of an opponent. However, there is no "celebration" of Pearl Harbour, or Nanking, or Hiroshima, or Dresden or Firebombed Tokyo, and it cannot be justified for any reason--due to the well documented deaths of a significant number of innocents, some horrific, painful deaths--these acts do not mark the highest points in the human history of mankind but of tragedies that ended none too soon.

110 posted on 08/11/2008 9:12:48 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Men Who Died in Wars For Our Voting Rights Also Did So For The Right To Vote Indie-Conservative?)
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To: Candor7
The stench of Tokyo would have been worse after the fire bombings as would that of Dresden, not to mention Nanjing. Nuclear weapons just do the job faster with a different set of after effects. If you are not willing to fight an enemy to win as quickly as possible you are condemning vast numbers to unnecessary death and destruction by prolonging the war.
111 posted on 08/12/2008 9:07:10 AM PDT by SeaWolf (Orwell must have foreseen the 21st Century US Congress when he wrote 1984)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Yes , that is true conservative thinking.

One wonders why FReeper inheritors of Nobless Oblige can't get it.

I believe they are afraid, for whatever reason. Fear does strange things to judgement.

I cringe to think that a kanagara person read this thread.

At least some of us have taken those words in issue, as genuine human beings of noble heritage.

112 posted on 08/12/2008 11:00:36 AM PDT by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, (Ridicule Obama))
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To: SeaWolf; AmericanInTokyo
Yes I agree. Violence can be waged with compassion.

But you know what? Too many like the idea of it as an end in itself, as if it were some kind of entertaining video game.

There is no Happy Dresden Day, No Happy Hiroshima Day, and No Happy Nagasaki Day.

People need to have there noses held up against a 3 day old gut spread, road kill, for a few hours.

There is no pleasure in killing, especially the kind that we had to do to save our men. Anyone who thinks so is more than a few cards short of a deck.

113 posted on 08/12/2008 11:11:14 AM PDT by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, (Ridicule Obama))
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To: Candor7
I find often the biggest "talkers" around here, the "shoot from the hip" types, have not encountered war directly, nor have seen civilian casulties in war--thus they can banter on this way like supposed "hot shots".

Those that have know what we speak of.

We celebrate victories (August 15, 1945, November 11, 1918, July 20, 1969, July 4, 1776, etc), or great creative or explorative human accomplishments, we don't celebrate people loudly wailing and screaming in pain with the skin coming off of their backs just to expose their bare rib-cages. We can remember, we can recall, but how can we wish someone a "Happy Day" in that context?

I am glad there are some Freepers with class and Christian upbringing.

114 posted on 08/12/2008 4:41:02 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Men Who Died in Wars For Our Voting Rights Also Did So For The Right To Vote Indie-Conservative?)
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To: SeaWolf
Maybe yes, maybe no. Certainly for those not at the epicenter not vaporized immediately, but on the outskirts exposed to the nukes might question this assertion. In fact, firebombing, to my understanding, does not give off radiation sickness months or years later.

This is something people in Hiroshima still suffer with, even 63 years later. Up in Tokyo, it is mostly horrific memories, but not radiation (cancers, keloids, birth defects, etc).

115 posted on 08/12/2008 4:46:31 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Men Who Died in Wars For Our Voting Rights Also Did So For The Right To Vote Indie-Conservative?)
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To: AmericanInTokyo; stuartcr; Does so; Nathan Zachary


Nagasaki had and probably does have one of the largest concentrations of
CHRISTIANS in all of Japan. That IS a fact.

Yep.
The only reason I had a clue about this (before the birth of the
Internet and FR) was a friend that moved to Japan to be a missionary.

When I heard the Islamics braying like jack@$$es about Dubya using
the term “Crusade”, I said they must be ignorant that when given the
choice...we nuked the center of Christianity in Japan.

To some degree because Henry Stimson decided to strike Kyoto from
the target list because he admired it (he honeymooned there decades earlier).
And partly because of the fickle finger of fate sending clouds
over an earlier target.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urakami_Cathedral

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_L._Stimson


116 posted on 08/12/2008 5:12:59 PM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA
Big picture, young, US military officers who knew that Japan would eventually lose, and so then, why destroy 2000 years of beautiful Japanese history, architecture, documents and artifacts, in essence, hollowing out the inner core and soul of the Japanese people, by bombing Kyoto?--they thought. And (they) argued that other cities should be hit. Yes, the clouds also played a factor, too.

I heard a guy in Kokura once half joke, "they got it instead of us, all due to the weather."

117 posted on 08/12/2008 5:24:08 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Men Who Died in Wars For Our Voting Rights Also Did So For The Right To Vote Indie-Conservative?)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
...Japan would eventually lose, and so then, why destroy 2000 years
of beautiful Japanese history, architecture, documents and artifacts,
in essence, hollowing out the inner core and soul of the Japanese
people, by bombing Kyoto?--


At this remove...I was just mentioning the irony of the fairly-well
Christianized USA nuking the Japanese city with the largest number
of Christians.

As for the reasoning of Stimson, he was looking at the long view...
why totally demoralize a potential future ally?

Stimson appears to have been on the right track.

And I'm glad he was the one making decisions VERY
far "above my paygrade".
118 posted on 08/12/2008 5:35:35 PM PDT by VOA
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To: AmericanInTokyo

I am glad there are some Freepers with class and Christian upbringing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Me too, and I am Shingon Buddhist! LOL.


119 posted on 08/12/2008 5:53:46 PM PDT by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, (Ridicule Obama))
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To: Candor7
And a hearty 五字嚴身觀 to you, too! ;-)
120 posted on 08/12/2008 6:18:44 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Men Who Died in Wars For Our Voting Rights Also Did So For The Right To Vote Indie-Conservative?)
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To: abb
" B-29 bomber, called "Bock's Car," after its usual commander, Frederick Bock "

My wife's maiden name was Bock. Very interesting.

121 posted on 08/14/2008 6:46:21 PM PDT by KampfgruppeZ
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