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Confederate flag advocate Bart Siegel found dead (Giant Tampa Flag)
St. Petersburg Times ^ | August 9, 2008 | St, Petersburg Times

Posted on 08/09/2008 9:02:39 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo

TEMPLE TERRACE — Bart Siegel, an outspoken advocate for the display of the giant Confederate flag near the intersection of Interstate 4 and I-75, was found dead of an apparent self-inflicted gunshot in his Temple Terrace home Thursday.

Siegel, 50, was a Republican accountant who penned long letters to newspapers and verbally sparred with columnists.

In 2000, he announced his desire to "stir things up" by running against then-Hillsborough Clerk of the Circuit Court Richard Ake, a Democrat unopposed since 1986. Siegel lost, but kept stirring things up.

In the face of a protest, Siegel professed his love for the sport of gator hunting. He defended his boating club, the Tampa Cruis-a-Cade, amid a city lawsuit, and he often spoke out at Temple Terrace city meetings. Most recently, he became one of the loudest voices defending the Confederate flag.

Siegel wasn't even Southern.

He was born in New Jersey and raised Jewish, but married Lunelle Mizell, a fifth-generation Floridian with Confederate ancestors. He became fascinated with all things Southern, and about 10 years ago, became an associate member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans.

He lacked the lineage, said fellow member Marion Lambert. "But he had the heart and soul of a Confederate."

Siegel steadfastly maintained that the flag wasn't a racist symbol, but one of pride.

A few years ago, Siegel converted to Messianic Judaism, and attended Fowler Avenue Baptist Church. He called Lambert the day before he died, asking if he would go to church with him. Lambert couldn't make it.

The Hillsborough County medical examiner preliminarily ruled Siegel's death a suicide.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: cbf; confederateflag; csa; dixie; scv; siegel; suicide; tampa
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Whether you think putting the flag up was a good idea or not, this is a very sad development.
1 posted on 08/09/2008 9:06:04 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
"a Republican accountant".

A non-political story and they put his party affiliation in the second paragraph. Gotta paint those Republicans as racists at EVERY opportunity........

2 posted on 08/09/2008 9:08:45 AM PDT by TexasNative2000 (Is this tagline governed by McCain-Feingold?)
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To: TexasNative2000

Good point. His party affiliation was not relevant to this unfortunate story.


3 posted on 08/09/2008 9:10:30 AM PDT by Canedawg
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
"What is your usual occupation?"

"I'm a Republican accountant."

4 posted on 08/09/2008 9:11:26 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("I'm trying to save the planet!" - Nancy Pelosi ..........ROTFLMAO! What a dumbass!)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Damn! Now I know why it wasn’t flying when I rode by there the other day.


5 posted on 08/09/2008 9:12:22 AM PDT by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

I live in Tampa and have seen a lot of very hateful speech toward this group. I wonder what impact that had on his decision.

Very sad


6 posted on 08/09/2008 9:12:58 AM PDT by driftdiver (No More Obama - The corruption hasn’t changed despite all our hopes.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Guess that makes me a Republican Systems Analyst.


7 posted on 08/09/2008 9:17:12 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Arkancide?


8 posted on 08/09/2008 9:24:20 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (It's the Vast Wright Wing Conspiracy - labeling all whites as racist.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
The Tampa Tribune article says that Mr. Siegel's body was found outside his house.

Link to Tampa Tribune story:

"Rebel Flag Proponent Found Dead"

9 posted on 08/09/2008 9:26:15 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
If I lived in the south I'd be sure to have the Stars and Bars somewhere on my car....not because I particularly agree with the Confederacy but because it would pi$$ off commie leftists and professional victims.

Doing that around here would guarantee smashed windows,slashed tires....and worse.

Although it might be fun driving through Harvard Square or Brookline (*proud* home of Mike Dukakis) with such a flag.

10 posted on 08/09/2008 9:27:26 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Obama:"Ich bein ein beginner")
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

Obmacide?


11 posted on 08/09/2008 9:29:06 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Five Year Plans and New Deals, wrapped in golden chains...)
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To: Fresh Wind

Any bus tracks near his body?


12 posted on 08/09/2008 9:31:55 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (It's the Vast Wright Wing Conspiracy - labeling all whites as racist.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

RIP.


13 posted on 08/09/2008 9:32:22 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
I'm proud to day that I'm a Republican, Old Glory "proponent."

Don't ya just love the boys and girls in "the media." They really have a way with words.

14 posted on 08/09/2008 9:33:00 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("I'm trying to save the planet!" - Nancy Pelosi ..........ROTFLMAO! What a dumbass!)
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To: Gay State Conservative
If I lived in the south I'd be sure to have the Stars and Bars ....Doing that around here would guarantee smashed windows,slashed tires....and worse.

It would be wrong to place Stars and Bars decals on the cars of known leftists . Funny , but so wrong .

15 posted on 08/09/2008 9:35:51 AM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I’m also “proud to say..”


16 posted on 08/09/2008 9:36:06 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("I'm trying to save the planet!" - Nancy Pelosi ..........ROTFLMAO! What a dumbass!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Don't ya just love the boys and girls in "the media." They really have a way with words.

I think Stalin called writers "engineers of human souls".

Thankfully there's still many Americans who aren't willing to be malleable metal for the "engineers" of the media.

17 posted on 08/09/2008 9:39:12 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: kbennkc
It would be wrong to place Stars and Bars decals on the cars of known leftists

No,I mean that if I had such a decal on *my* car I'd have my tires slashed,etc.Hell,a few years back when my Dad lived in Brookline (the *proud* home of Mike Dukakis)and I often stayed with him to help him,etc I had three Dole/Kemp bumper stickers ripped from my bumper.

18 posted on 08/09/2008 9:44:08 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Obama:"Ich bein ein beginner")
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“I’m a Republican accountant.”

Does that mean his numbers actually add up correctly ?


19 posted on 08/09/2008 9:47:56 AM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Bart Siegel, an outspoken advocate for the display of the giant Confederate flag near the intersection of Interstate 4 and I-75, was found dead of an apparent self-inflicted gunshot in his Temple Terrace home Thursday.

Apparent suicide, alot people disliked this man. Who is investigating????

20 posted on 08/09/2008 9:55:17 AM PDT by onlylewis (libs want a two class system, one rich one poor)
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To: PLMerite
Does that mean his numbers actually add up correctly ?

Now that is a great point!

21 posted on 08/09/2008 10:01:14 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("I'm trying to save the planet!" - Nancy Pelosi ..........ROTFLMAO! What a dumbass!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

You should move to western Maryland/northwestern WV.

By the looks of things, we probably have more Confederate flags displayed here than Dixie did in the 1860s.


22 posted on 08/09/2008 10:14:57 AM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent......)
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To: usmcobra

Suicide???


23 posted on 08/09/2008 10:22:28 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Having custody of a loaded weapon does not arm you. The skill to use the weapon is what arms a man.)
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To: 6SJ7

I’m a Republican Commercial Real Estate Broker


24 posted on 08/09/2008 10:32:47 AM PDT by spacejunkie01
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To: B4Ranch

I have an airtight Alibi, I was hundreds of miles away at work when it happened.


25 posted on 08/09/2008 10:33:09 AM PDT by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
We must start introducing ourselves that way.
Hello I am a republican Financial Advisor.
Or, nice to meet you I am a conservative Financial Advisor.
26 posted on 08/09/2008 10:33:58 AM PDT by onlylewis (libs want a two class system, one rich one poor)
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To: onlylewis

I think I’m going to go with, “Hello! I’m a hard-working, Republican taxpayer.”


27 posted on 08/09/2008 10:36:24 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("I'm trying to save the planet!" - Nancy Pelosi ..........ROTFLMAO! What a dumbass!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Sounds great but I when I introduce myself to people I need to advertise my trade so I can pay “the taxes”.


28 posted on 08/09/2008 10:40:44 AM PDT by onlylewis (libs want a two class system, one rich one poor)
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To: 6SJ7

Yeah and me a Republican Professional Services consultant. lol


29 posted on 08/09/2008 11:01:43 AM PDT by Maelstorm (Russians in Georgia? Wait a sec and let me get my gun.)
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To: onlylewis
Apparent suicide, alot people disliked this man. Who is investigating????

My thoughts exactly. We don't know it was suicide, we only know he had a gunshot wound to the temple, there are several ways that can happen without it being self inflicted.

30 posted on 08/09/2008 11:03:49 AM PDT by calex59
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

I love the confederate flag http://cottonandsand.com/sandandcotton/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/rebel-flag-bikini.jpg


31 posted on 08/09/2008 11:04:07 AM PDT by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Lunelle Siegel helps her husband Bart Siegel with his tie before the beginning of the first Southern Cultural Festival, held Friday at the Channelside complex in Tampa.

32 posted on 08/09/2008 11:08:03 AM PDT by Maelstorm (Russians in Georgia? Wait a sec and let me get my gun.)
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To: calex59
Just think if a member of some antiwhite group or anitbush group were killed. The FBI, CIA and any other branch of law enforcement would be called in. Not to mention the MSM would be all over it. They would be stating on national news “ the police are not sure how Mr. whoever died but it is very suspicious. The police have not ruled out a hate crime”.
33 posted on 08/09/2008 11:10:52 AM PDT by onlylewis (libs want a two class system, one rich one poor)
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To: driftdiver
I live in Tampa and have seen a lot of very hateful speech toward this group. I wonder what impact that had on his decision.

If he killed himself, there is only one person responsible.

34 posted on 08/09/2008 11:19:50 AM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
LBJ Democrats' Texas Headline 1961.

County medical examiner rules death a suicide

State Agricultural Stabilization and Conservation official Henry Marshall died of self-inflicted wounds. Mr. Marshall's bolt-action rifle was near by. Invesigators say Mr. Marshall's body had five bullet holes in his abdomen and chest, four in his back. There was blood on the side of his truck.

"He was a pretty determined fellow," said one investigator. . . .

35 posted on 08/09/2008 11:39:31 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: trumandogz

“If he killed himself, there is only one person responsible.”

huh? they aren’t guilty of murder but your contention that they would have no impact on him is meaningless.


36 posted on 08/09/2008 11:39:48 AM PDT by driftdiver (No More Obama - The corruption hasn’t changed despite all our hopes.)
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To: driftdiver

Yes, there is nothing that you or anyone else could do or say that would make someone kill themselves.


37 posted on 08/09/2008 11:43:50 AM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
Arkancide?

Oh grow up.

38 posted on 08/09/2008 11:49:34 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

“County medical examiner rules death a suicide.”

This is incomplete information...was he a “Republican county medical examiner” or a “Democratic county medical examiner.” Let’s face it, medical science results can differ greatly between Republicans and Democrats. /s


39 posted on 08/09/2008 11:50:12 AM PDT by Towed_Jumper (Stephen Hopkins: Founding Father who had Cerebral Palsy.."My hand trembles, my heart does not.")
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To: Salamander
By the looks of things, we probably have more Confederate flags displayed here than Dixie did in the 1860s.

Almost certainly. Western Virginia and western Maryland were Unionist strongholds.

40 posted on 08/09/2008 11:51:24 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: trumandogz

“Yes, there is nothing that you or anyone else could do or say that would make someone kill themselves.”

That is simply not true. The seed is most likely there but there is certainly an impact by what you say to people. It can push closer or farther away.


41 posted on 08/09/2008 11:53:51 AM PDT by driftdiver (No More Obama - The corruption hasn’t changed despite all our hopes.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
...apparent self-inflicted gunshot...

Where are the usual comments in a story like this about how his friends say he wasn't feeling despondent, he was looking forward to some upcoming event, he didn't seem suicidal?

-PJ

42 posted on 08/09/2008 11:55:11 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Obama's "citizen of the world" is the 2008 version of Kerry's "global test.")
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To: Non-Sequitur

Get a sense of humor pal


43 posted on 08/09/2008 11:55:53 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (It's the Vast Wright Wing Conspiracy - labeling all whites as racist.)
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To: driftdiver

Obviously, Mr. Siegal had some larger problems which caused him to take his life. However, you cannot assign blame to any person or any group for his suicide.

However, if you do feel that way, you can ask the DA’s office in Tampa to file murder or manslaughter charges on the person you believe caused the suicide.


44 posted on 08/09/2008 11:58:25 AM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

I fail to see why this man’s death is a joke.


45 posted on 08/09/2008 12:02:27 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: trumandogz

“However, you cannot assign blame to any person or any group for his suicide.”

I wasn’t assigning blame. I said there were many hateful things said by hateful people that probably contributed to his decision.

You said that nothing anyone could say which would cause another person to take their own life. That is patently false.


46 posted on 08/09/2008 12:08:10 PM PDT by driftdiver (No More Obama - The corruption hasn’t changed despite all our hopes.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

I was not joking about his death. It was more of a comment about how quickly a death is determined to be suicide, i.e. many in Arkansas, or the cop, Peterson’s 3rd wife.


47 posted on 08/09/2008 12:08:50 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (It's the Vast Wright Wing Conspiracy - labeling all whites as racist.)
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To: driftdiver
You said that nothing anyone could say which would cause another person to take their own life. That is patently false.

If you feel that way, then call the DA and ask that charges be filed.

Now, who are these hateful people that said hateful things that "contributed" to Siegel's suicide?

48 posted on 08/09/2008 12:13:51 PM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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To: kbennkc

“If I lived in the south I’d be sure to have the Stars and Bars somewhere on my car....not because I particularly agree with the Confederacy but because it would pi$$ off commie leftists and professional victims.

Doing that around here would guarantee smashed windows,slashed tires....and worse.”

As liberal as the urban areas of the south are becoming with the influx of NE liberals there’s a good chance that would happen here as well. Then there’s the black liberation neighborhoods that take particular offense to it as well.


49 posted on 08/09/2008 12:18:46 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Black dogs and bacon bombs.)
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To: trumandogz

“If you feel that way, then call the DA and ask that charges be filed.”

You just don’t get it.

“Now, who are these hateful people that said hateful things that “contributed” to Siegel’s suicide?”

Watch the local news and you’ll see em.


50 posted on 08/09/2008 12:19:27 PM PDT by driftdiver (No More Obama - The corruption hasn’t changed despite all our hopes.)
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