Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Obama running in violation of US election law
Canada Free Press ^ | August 9, 2008 | Steve Miller

Posted on 08/09/2008 2:34:49 PM PDT by Marc Tumin

Barack Obama is not legally a US natural-born citizen according to the law on the books at the time of his birth; a law that was in effect between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, when the law was changed.

However, the new law did not preempt the former law in the cases of those born between the above listed dates when the old law was in effect.

Therefore, Senator Obama may very well be disqualified....

Barack Obama’s father was not a US citizen, and Obama’s mother was only 18 when he was born, which means although she had been a US citizen for 10 years, his mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years prior to Barack Obama’s birth.

In order for her child to have been a natural-born US citizen, his mother would have had to be 21 at the time of his birth....

(Excerpt) Read more at canadafreepress.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; bravosierra; certifigate; certigate; citizen; colbaquiddic; obama
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-82 next last

1 posted on 08/09/2008 2:34:50 PM PDT by Marc Tumin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Marc Tumin

You talk as though this matters.


2 posted on 08/09/2008 2:37:44 PM PDT by RWB Patriot
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Marc Tumin

*BUMP* !


3 posted on 08/09/2008 2:39:23 PM PDT by ex-Texan (Matthew 7: 1 - 6)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Marc Tumin
This from a Canadian paper?

I'd like to see the law.

4 posted on 08/09/2008 2:39:33 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Marc Tumin

money quote from source article:

“The above information may be presented from the floor
at the Democratic National Convention, and my [sic] be
the impetus of resurrecting Hillary Clinton’s Democratic
Presidential campaign.”

If the Domestic Enemy Press (aka MSM) starts giving this
issue any coverage at all, you will know the DNC knives
are officially unsheathed for BHO2.


5 posted on 08/09/2008 2:40:02 PM PDT by Boundless (Legacy Media is hazardous to your mental health)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RWB Patriot
It doesn't matter. No one is going to pursue the subject and in any event the real issue isn't Obama's birth. Its his ideology.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

6 posted on 08/09/2008 2:40:24 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: RWB Patriot

Agreed. Even it is true, nothing will be done about it. Laws are meant solely to keep conservative taxpayers in line. Everyone else gets to do what they want and if you try to stop them then you’re a ______-ist!!


7 posted on 08/09/2008 2:40:29 PM PDT by kromike
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Marc Tumin
This was posted this morning with 135 comments. Check it out - posted here .
8 posted on 08/09/2008 2:40:57 PM PDT by kdot
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Marc Tumin
Obama only answers to Sharia Law.
9 posted on 08/09/2008 2:41:21 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Vote For McCain But Trust In The LORD.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Marc Tumin

Where is that “OH NO! NOT THIS $HiTE AGAIN” Graphic?


10 posted on 08/09/2008 2:41:29 PM PDT by BullDog108 (A Smith & Wesson beats four aces)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BullDog108

11 posted on 08/09/2008 2:42:37 PM PDT by BullDog108 (A Smith & Wesson beats four aces)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: RWB Patriot

This is a more credible issue than the controversy about the certificate of birth.


12 posted on 08/09/2008 2:44:39 PM PDT by HAL9000 ("No one made you run for president, girl."- Bill Clinton)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Marc Tumin

It’s hard to imagine why Hillary wouldn’t push this issue. I suppose the question is whether she still has the political moxie to do it.


13 posted on 08/09/2008 2:44:58 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RWB Patriot

ditto. He is The Messiah after all.

It’s not like anybody would have challenged the lineage of Jesus Christ if He were running for President (and he were actually black)......


14 posted on 08/09/2008 2:44:58 PM PDT by bpjam (Drill For Oil or Lose Your Job!! Vote Nov 2008)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Marc Tumin

Hillary is so thrilled, that she is wetting her panties.


15 posted on 08/09/2008 2:46:41 PM PDT by reg45
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Marc Tumin
by Steve Miller

He's a smoker. He's a joker. He's a midnight toker. Had to be to come to these conclusions.

16 posted on 08/09/2008 2:50:58 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Marc Tumin
Maybe I'm one of those ignorant Republicans Obama refers to, but this makes no sense to me.

His mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was born in the continental United States and was a citizen thereof.

Obama’s mother was only 18 when he was born, which means although she had been a US citizen for 10 years, his mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years prior to Barack Obama’s birth.

No, she had been a citizen her entire life, all 18 years of it. What am I missing here?

17 posted on 08/09/2008 2:51:32 PM PDT by Bahbah (Typical white person-Snow white)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: reg45
she is wetting her panties.

Ahem, she is wetting her boxers or her whitey tighties.

18 posted on 08/09/2008 2:51:50 PM PDT by Free State Four
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: RWB Patriot

Well, it might matter a lot. If the article is correct, and I have not researched that, then some resolution to the issue must be made and soon.
Seems to me there are two key issues (presuming the article is accurate with regard to the substance of the legislation addressed): 1) does the statute trump the currently-accepted but increasingly challenged view of born in the USA and “subject to the jurisdiction” thereof (unlikely, i.e., in my dreams); and 2) if so, whether the legislation has retroactive effect. The author say “no.” I think this issue is more important than a dispute about “raised “ seals on Hussein’s birth certificate.
I could see HRC using this with extreme relish.
One thing is clear, as I sometimes tell my USA-naturalized Cuban-born friend when he becomes uppity, he can’t be president and I can. Understandably, he gets po’ed when I say that.


19 posted on 08/09/2008 2:55:57 PM PDT by BIV (typical white person)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop

This might have been originated by the Clintons. If true, that might be what the beast needs to pursue at the convention.


20 posted on 08/09/2008 2:57:06 PM PDT by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Marc Tumin; All

I believe that section of law only applies to people born outside of the United States. Or in other words, if Obama was really born in Hawaii at the time claimed the quoted section of law does not apply.


21 posted on 08/09/2008 2:57:40 PM PDT by DB
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BIV

See 21.


22 posted on 08/09/2008 2:58:04 PM PDT by DB
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Marc Tumin

The statute quoted in this article only applies to people born outside the USA. For those born inside the USA the 14th amendment applies. The author of the article is simply confused or misinformed.

Which is not to negate the argument of those who claim that the Article II language “natural born citizen” has a special common law meaning that renders Obama ineligible due to his dual citizenships. That is a separate subject.


23 posted on 08/09/2008 2:58:17 PM PDT by devere
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Marc Tumin
Just try and disqualify this man over his citizenship after he has reached this point and watch a race war erupt throughout the U.S.

This election must be played out to the end and Obama must be soundly defeated by the voters. Even then, there will be charges of election rigging.

24 posted on 08/09/2008 3:00:04 PM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Cicero; All
"It’s hard to imagine why Hillary wouldn’t push this issue. I suppose the question is whether she still has the political moxie to do it."

In the ABC August 4th Bill Clinton interview, Bill has a VERY peculiar quote:

In an interview that aired on ABC’s World News Tonight Bill Clinton denied that he is angry at Barack Obama, but offered very little in terms of an endorsement and enthusiasm for the Democratic nominee.

Clinton denied that he is still angry, “I’m not, and I never was mad at Senator Obama. I think everybody’s got a right to run for president if he qualifies under the Constitution...

IMHO, it just seems "strange" Bill would say "...IF HE QUALIFIES UNDER THE CONSTITUTION" when being questioned about his support for the Obamassiah.

25 posted on 08/09/2008 3:00:40 PM PDT by musicman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Marc Tumin

Note that the writer is a U.S. Citizen and his case appears very well prepared. Looking like “THE GRAND MESSIAH” is really “The Snakeoil Salesman and CON ARTIST” We always suspected!!!!!!! NOBAMA IN 08!!


26 posted on 08/09/2008 3:01:58 PM PDT by NOBAMA in 08 (An Empty Suited Opportunist with No Redeeming Value!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Comment #27 Removed by Moderator

To: RWB Patriot
BO could get 20% of the vote and the people that pull the strings would still make him president. Somehow this country is run by a few lying politicians and lawyers
28 posted on 08/09/2008 3:16:20 PM PDT by Big Horn (Foreigners do not tread on me.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: BullDog108

29 posted on 08/09/2008 3:19:11 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: kdot
This was posted this morning with 135 comments. Check it out - posted here .

Really? Does someone win a prize or something?

30 posted on 08/09/2008 3:22:01 PM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: BullDog108
Photobucket
31 posted on 08/09/2008 3:23:17 PM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Cicero

>>It’s hard to imagine why Hillary wouldn’t push this issue. I suppose the question is whether she still has the political moxie to do it.

I’d think it’s a question of timing. If this issue has legs, then her best move would be to angle for the V.P. position at the convention and let Obama take the spotlight during the election. If they win the election, then she can play this card to disqualify him from taking office, and she as the V.P. reluctantly takes over.


32 posted on 08/09/2008 3:24:20 PM PDT by vikingd00d (chown -R us ./base)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Cobra64

No, but there were a lot of good comments that answer some of the questions raised here.

No need to be nasty.


33 posted on 08/09/2008 3:24:47 PM PDT by kdot
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: RWB Patriot
You talk as though this matters.

It will become relevant if the Hillary bots bring it up at the Dem convention.

Hey Obama, did your Grandma give you your real birth certificate?

34 posted on 08/09/2008 3:27:10 PM PDT by Red Steel
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: vikingd00d
I’d think it’s a question of timing. If this issue has legs, then her best move would be to angle for the V.P. position at the convention and let Obama take the spotlight during the election. If they win the election, then she can play this card to disqualify him from taking office, and she as the V.P. reluctantly takes over.

This Hillary angle has crossed my mind a few times this week.

35 posted on 08/09/2008 3:29:03 PM PDT by Red Steel
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: HAL9000
This is a more credible issue than the controversy about the certificate of birth.

Not to anyone with even a passing familiarity with naturalization law, it isn't. Anybody born on US soil, other than the children of POWs, diplomats and hostile Indians, is automatically a citizen. That's true today and it was true in 1960 and ever since the passage of the 14th Amendment.

36 posted on 08/09/2008 3:29:41 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: F15Eagle
I certainly hope he could be disqualified.

Really? You'd rather win on a technicality (not that this has any merit) than by discrediting his ideas?

37 posted on 08/09/2008 3:30:51 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Marc Tumin
Barack Obama’s father was not a US citizen, and Obama’s mother was only 18 when he was born, which means although she had been a US citizen for 10 years, his mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years prior to Barack Obama’s birth.

In order for her child to have been a natural-born US citizen, his mother would have had to be 21 at the time of his birth....

Only if he were not born in the US.

38 posted on 08/09/2008 3:31:54 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Drill Here. Drill Now. Pay Less.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Marc Tumin
OPERATION FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) CONTINUES... (Queue Jaws music)
39 posted on 08/09/2008 3:33:01 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Paleo Conservative
Only if he were not born in the US.

Well, the other option is proving his parents were prisoners of war, diplomats and/or hostile Indians at the time of his birth, because if they were, he wouldn't have received automatic citizenship. Might be an uphill climb...

40 posted on 08/09/2008 3:33:47 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Alter Kaker
Really? You'd rather win on a technicality (not that this has any merit) than by discrediting his ideas?

A win is a win is a win. If he were to get elected and it came out AFTERWARD that he wasn't even qualified to be elected, you would FIRST IN LINE to scream "HEEEEEY! WHY DIDN'T ANYONE BRING THIS UP AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!"

He needs to be beaten by any (legal) means possible. This is not a friendly game of golf where disqualifying someone because they didn't sign their scorecard would bring scorn. This determines the leader of the free world.

41 posted on 08/09/2008 4:00:13 PM PDT by GLDNGUN
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: Marc Tumin

What nonsense. He was born in the US.


42 posted on 08/09/2008 4:03:38 PM PDT by buck jarret
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: knarf

This has been discussed here ad nauseam (key word certifigate). The point is whether he was born in the U.S. or not. If he was then he’s natural born. If he was born overseas then, based on the above criteria, he’s not.


43 posted on 08/09/2008 4:26:17 PM PDT by Nipfan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: buck jarret
What nonsense. He was born in the US.

Hawaii wasn't in the U.S. when Osama was born...I guess that makes no difference tho...

44 posted on 08/09/2008 4:26:24 PM PDT by Iscool (If Obama becomes the President, it will be an Obama-nation)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: Marc Tumin

If the Clintons try to play this on Barry O at the convention, there’s going to be a blood-bath in Denver. Perhaps literally.


45 posted on 08/09/2008 4:30:52 PM PDT by Antoninus (McCain/Palin in 2008!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Iscool
"Hawaii wasn't in the U.S. when Osama was born...I guess that makes no difference tho... "

Hawaii entered into statehood August 21, 1959...

Two years prior to NObama being born....

46 posted on 08/09/2008 4:38:23 PM PDT by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: goldstategop
It doesn't matter.

U.S. law doesn't matter? Is this what you're saying? It's people like who don't care enough to keep and fight for traditional standards so we don't have to put up with these liars and selfish prick secularist who want to destroy the country.

Of course it matters, it's the law!

47 posted on 08/09/2008 4:40:09 PM PDT by sirchtruth (Vote Conservative Repuplican!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: knarf
Sure it's from the Canadian Press, do you think our MSM would give cover this? We'll probably have to call on the National Inquirer to report this. They took care of the Edwards affair.

This whole birth thing has been brewing for a long time. It has already been determined that the birth certificate was forged and the person who did it, finally admitted to the fact.

48 posted on 08/09/2008 4:41:11 PM PDT by Vicki (Washington State where anyone can vote .... illegals, non-residents, dead people, dogs, felons)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Iscool

Barry Goldwater was born in the Territory of Arizona before it became our 48th state ... he was qualified to run for president (and too bad he didn’t win).


49 posted on 08/09/2008 4:44:51 PM PDT by Fast Moving Angel (Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. --Einstein)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: Bahbah
The critical information is in the original post.

US Law very clearly stipulates: “If only one parent was a US citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.”

Barack Obama’s father was not a US citizen, and Obama’s mother was only 18 when he was born, which means although she had been a US citizen for 10 years, his mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years prior to Barack Obama’s birth.

In order for her child to have been a natural-born US citizen, his mother would have had to be 21 at the time of his birth.

In essence, Mrs. Obama was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic US citizenship.

His mother would have needed to have been 16+5 = 21 years old at the time of Barack Obama’s birth for him to have been a natural-born citizen.

Barack Obama instead should have been naturalized, but even then, that would still disqualify him from holding the office of President under current law.

At best, Barack Obama is only a naturalized US citizen.

This is an issue that must be clarified before the election.

The last sentence says it all. Why didn't anyone south of the border pick up on this.

I suppose that Barry is in Hawaii to get a copy of his mother's birth certificate from his grandmother to have time to photoshop it to show his mother was 21.

50 posted on 08/09/2008 4:48:25 PM PDT by depressed in 06 (Bolshecrat, where patriotism is replacing the stars in the flag with hammers and sickles.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-82 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson