Posted on 08/10/2008 3:54:03 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
Big Science has expelled smart new ideas from the classroom. What they forgot is that every generation has its rebel!
Attacked by pro-evolution scientists and others, this film, Expelled exposed the prejudice leveled against scientists who reject Darwinian thinking, and took almost $8 million at the box office at around 700 theaters earlier this year, making it the 12th most successful documentary of all time.
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So Intelligent Design is nothing? Interesting.
It seems to me that Medved see ID as some kind of weird scientific process. Kind of like he doesn't know how to falsify a scientific theory.
“So a complex system like snow flakes is an indicator of design?” Possibly, but intelligent design is mainly looking at living organisms. You could expand the look for design in all of science. Why not? scientists have for centuries.
“So Recovering_Democrat is an Evolutionist?” Don't have a clue and that isn't the point. The point is to say that there is little tolerance on FR of the discussion of intelligent design. The Evos attack with strawmen attaching creationism and the Discovery Institute to everything. Evolution is very much a religion here.
look, it has been said before,NOTHING,ABSOLUTELY NOTHING can be used to opposed the evolutionism...
ANYTHING AT ALL THAT OPPOSES IT...will automatically be dismissed as religion or ‘outside of the realm of science’
NOT BECAUSE IT IS, but because those who worship at the altar of darwinism...can have it no other way.
anyone with half a brain recognizes design all around him or her, in everyday life.....
that idiot dawkins even said (paraphrasing) evolutionism is the process that gives the appearance of design.....
of course if it gives the appearance of design, oh it couldnt possibly be designed right? i mean, the most obvious conclusion if seeing something that looks designed is that there is intelligence behind it...but, we cant have that, can we??? cause we all know where that leads...
thats why complex information bearing things like cells have to be dismissed as ‘looking like designed, but not really’....
snowflakes are not complex information bearing creations...
living cells are....and the resulting semantic gymnastic somersaults evos have to go thru to side step and tap dance around that is hilarious to watch...
including your two-step...
It's not even a logical argument.”
Well, logic itself is a product of the mind. The mind is intelligence. Nowhere did I state intelligent design equaled GOD. That is your prejudice sneaking in. In fact, your post shows you to be so biased no logical argument would sway you. That is why I call Evolution a religion. An intolerant one at that.
You can pretend that it means any God, not just the one mentioned in Genesis, but are you fooling yourself more than anyone else?
I mean, have a discussion of which God intelligently designed the universe but don't insult our intelligence in the process.
If you're so disingenuous to accuse me of bias in that regard, then I can't really help you except to deny your silly allegations.
Creation or Intelligent Design might be why the earth is here. Present the evidence. Present it logically. Your evidence cannot consist entirely of criticism of evidence. Not logically. Present something.
Sarge 1:1 There is no god.
What is evidence of intent?
You could expand the look for design in all of science. Why not? scientists have for centuries.
So the Theory of Information Entropy is evidence of design or intent? I am having a hard time understanding how anyone can get evidence of intent.
The point is to say that there is little tolerance on FR of the discussion of intelligent design.
Can you clearly define exactly what is intelligent design? I have found that a good definition simplifies the problem immensely.
No matter what the theory is, if you and main-stream science are on opposite sides then the main-stream science will crush you like a bug. This is a problem, it stifles scientific debate and discovery. Science is supposed to be about the search for truth. No-one (and I mean no-one on this earth) knows for sure how life developed, no-one knows and understands all the various mechanisms that affect our climate.
But there are a scary-large number of people who will go to any lengths to prevent people from knowing that they (the scientists) are simply guessing about a great many things.
What we know, or think we know, is dwarfed by what we do not know.
The point is that the Lefty ‘publik skrewels’ and universities (which our American tax dollars pay for, no matter WHAT our religious beliefs) only teach Evolution and won’t even consider that we, and all life, is Divinely Made.
But, you knew that. You’re just yankin’ my chain. :)
It’s called “Faith.” You either have it, or you don’t. It’s pretty simple, really. When you don’t don’t believe in something, you’ll fall for anything. :)
Interesting, that sounds like a good idea...I’ve got some of my Clint Eastwood collection caught up.
It seems to me that if the offspring of the parents were clones (genetically identical) that would disprove evolution wouldn't it?
NOT BECAUSE IT IS, but because those who worship at the altar of darwinism...can have it no other way.
Do they sacrifice virgins too? Maybe I should join : ) Except I have a hard time deciding between sacrificing harlots or virgins. What do you think?
of course if it gives the appearance of design, oh it couldnt possibly be designed right? i mean, the most obvious conclusion if seeing something that looks designed is that there is intelligence behind it...but, we cant have that, can we??? cause we all know where that leads...
Then who or what is the designer? Who or what designed the designer? Isn't that circular reasoning on your part?
snowflakes are not complex information bearing creations...
I beg to differ. There is literally tons of information in a snowflake. We are just now scratching at the surface of the information a snowflake can provide.
living cells are....and the resulting semantic gymnastic somersaults evos have to go thru to side step and tap dance around that is hilarious to watch...
What isn't a complex system? Can you name anything that isn't?
Yes, I am one of those victims of the 'publik skrewels' but at least I didn't go to that East Coast Liberal Art's skrewel MIT! I went to the other one : )
It’s called “Faith.” You either have it, or you don’t. It’s pretty simple, really. When you don’t don’t believe in something, you’ll fall for anything. :)
Ahh faith, I guess that is the answer to my question isn't it? Thank you for being honest : )
I believe I'll drink to that.
All science so far...
please do explain the complex information in a snowflake....and please feel free to use dawkins definition, or something similar, when he describes the information content of cell as a complete volume of the encyclopedia brittanica...
let’s hear all about that type of complex information that in the snowflake please..
You may not believe in God, but He believes in you.
he has a perverse sense of humor.
Sorry your ox got gored.
Let’s try this. Scientists are trying to create life in a laboratory. If they do, that is intelligent design. If they do, then can they admit it? It won’t be evolution, at least not yet.
Your prejudice and hostility reeks. I never said anything about God directly but why not? Why must that answer be excluded? I talked about the search for design which scares you enough to make you hostile. Why is that? “silly accusations” “insult our intelligence” “pretend” “disingenuous” Grab your torches and pitchforks! We have a heretic in the lab!
Present the evidence heretic. We demand it!
Well, heck, I would simply like to be able to look. You and the others in the inquisition won’t allow that. That is what I originally was posting to this thread. The antagonism of inquiry here on FR is by the priests of evolution.
I will bw ordering this DVD too!
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