Skip to comments.Maryland Shall Issue Update 8/10/08
Posted on 08/11/2008 8:08:55 AM PDT by fightinbluhen51
1) Open Carry Lunch - multi-state Saturday, Sept. 13th - 11 AM - Red, Hot & Blue in Leesburg, VA.
This is a multi-state (PA, WV, VA, MD and DE) Open carry lunch for any and all members of PAFOA, PA Open Carry, Maryland Shooters.org, Maryland Shall Issue, Delaware Open Carry, West Virginia Citizens Defense League and The Virginians Citizens Defense League.
Anyone not associated with these groups are still welcome to join this open carry event. Open carry is recommended and encouraged, but not required. Carry if you feel comfortable; however, remember that Virginia law requires you to open carry an in establishment that serves alcohol.
Registration for the event will close on August 31st -- please register promplty so we can obtain an accurate head count and give enough notice to the venue.
Link to RSVP http://www.deloc.org/deloc/rsvp.php
more info: http://www.pafoa.org/forum/concealed-open-carry-121/27554-multi-state-lunch-has-been-decided.html
2) Capitol Gun Owners dot Org http://www.CapitalGunOwners.org A newly formed organization to lobby for gun rights for DC residents.
For more information contact:
Amy McVey, 202-966-9276 George Lyon, 202-828-9472
3) Olympic Shooting Sports (by way of Doug & Jim Sr.)
In case anyones interested in following it, go to http://www.nbcolympics.com/shooting/
4) Overkill: The Rise of Paramilitary Raids ... since the warrantless SWAT bust of the mayor of Berwyn Heights is in the news ...
Overkill: The Rise of Paramilitary Police Raids in America http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6476 pdf w/ interactive map
5) "Illegal" ammo ?!
I don't know what they would have done had I not been at home. Or if my Wife had not opened the door. Let's face it, it's highly questionable if not criminal for them to have even besieged my home in the middle of the night because I legally purchased handgun ammunition. Who knows what they are capable of, given that rationale... In Practice, Police "ACT" then worry about legalities latter because of "Tunnel Vision". Usually they try to "settle" cases rather than set a legal precedent or admit guilt. I don't want money (my contact to NRA Attorney), I want then to STOP this practice and be held accountable for their actions.
If you want to "bust" people for legally buying handgun ammo when the State Police don't have a record of you owning any such caliber weapon, then make it illegal to do so (good luck). Don't send a Swat Team to a Law Abiding Citizen's Home at Midnight when they have not broken any laws!
By all means share this info with "Shall Issue Inc." and you can use my name. I've already been told by Chris Contee (NRA Legal Counsel), that if they come back with or without a warrant, have them call him direct.
Thanks and lock your door.
I just wanted your organization to know what Our State Police are up too. The incident below happened to me, a legal gun owner in La Plata, Maryland two nights ago (August 4, 2008 at 12:30 PM). Next time, they won't get in without a warrant. You live and you learn. Below, is the e-mail I sent to Mr. Chris Contee NRA, Chief Counsel at his request. I know I'm not an isolated incident so I hope your members keep their doors locked.
It was great to speak with you today by phone. Sorry but also glad you are so busy with our legislative matters. What would we do without you and the NRA?
As I told you by phone, my Wife and I were unfairly besieged late last night by the Maryland State Police. I have also relayed this occurrence to "Citizens Group for the right to keep and bear arms". I believe they are in Seattle Washington. Enclosed is my summation for your review. Good luck on your trip and safe travel.
Last night at 12:30 pm a MD State Police "Armed Response Team" showed up at our door. I was dead asleep, my Wife was laying some ceramic tile on our basement floor when our driveway alert went off several times. She looked at the camera monitor and screamed that Police in Assault gear were running up to our front door. That made me sit straight up from a dead sleep.
We thought they were there for my Brother in Law who had just been mailed Bench Warrants to our home, but he doesn't live here and he is already incarcerated, so my Wife opened the door for them. Then I heard one of them say he had some papers for me or needed to speak with me,so I got up to speak with them 6 or 7 officers in full assault vests, etc. and NO ONE in uniform. Four heavily armed police came into the house while at least two others walked around outside of our home.
One, began to talk to me asking me about the types of weapons I own. Remember now, I was just startled from a dead sleep and I kept asking why are you here, why do you want to know about my guns? Every gun I bought in Maryland I bought from a MD Dealer. Well this Trooper said that I had purchased a "large amount" of ammunition recently and wanted to know why. When I questioned why he was asking, then he changed his tune to what type of Handguns I had. I told him I just purchased my first handgun in Maryland last week, but had not even picked it up from the Store . He questioned me about other handguns I might own and I realized that he was "fishing" to match his list of my ammunition purchases with handguns that I owned. Then I told him about my C&R license that I had purchased 2 with that but was not required to register them with ST. Police. Moreover, I told him it was the MD. ST. Police who approved me as a "designated collector" so why are they here in storm trooper fashion at 12:30 pm maybe to kill me because I legally bought some handgun ammo? He told me that most of the ammo I purchased was for weapons that they had no record of me having registered so the "SYSTEM" Flagged me. Flagged me for what? Death, Harassment at midnight by 7 Storm Troopers?
I asked, "... does your system know that it is stupid to buy ammo with your own ID if your are going to do something illegal, Does your system know that I have a C&R and can buy weapons of various calibers without your knowledge, Does your system know that you yourselves registered me as a designated collector, who "collects" so it is not unusual for me to buy any type or manner of ammunition and finally, Does your system know that it is NOT illegal to purchase handgun ammunition in the State of Maryland whether or not you own that caliber handgun?"
The Trooper (plain clothes), had a list of ammo calibers that he referred to and I agreed, there's no secret that I bought the ammo, but so what? And I'm still not sure of the States definition of a "large amount". Look, I'm not outfitting a Militia, hate group, or giving it to someone who can't buy it, or even buy ammo for a stolen weapon I don't want to register. Any weapon I have every owned has either been purchased at a Gun Store or I personally knew the individual I bought it from and its origin. And, last time I looked it is not illegal to buy handgun ammo, even if you don't own the caliber weapon OR you don't own a weapon at all !! So unless the law is changed, Police cannot harass people who do so.
That being said, the young Trooper told me I "should" voluntarily register all my weapons or this would happen again... because the "system" flagged me. And another thing, he kept asking where I kept my weapons, in a safe? I never answered him and he asked me three separate times as to the locations of any weapons I might have. I got the distinct impression he wanted me to voluntarily let him see/inspect the handguns for the calibers I bought ammo for, but I was ready for that. No warrant, no see. I mean, I would hope you could trust the Police, but why should I let six or seven or so strangers know where I keep guns? If indeed I had the calibers he was inquiring about?
The point here though, is that Police came to my home without a warrant, dressed to kill, trying to intimidate me about something that is NOT illegal !! This was not an Interview it was an interrogation under duress.
Funny the last thing he said to me before leaving was "... Mr. Curtis, sorry to have HARASSED you, you have a good night." Now that struck me as an odd thing for a Police Officer to say, especially if he was justified in doing his job. The last thing I'll say was that Trooper was courteous and having worn the badge, he and the team were sent by someone else, they're just following orders. However, whoever sent them to my home at 12:30 at night left a very bad taste in my mouth and NO ONE IDENTIFIED THEMSELVES TO ME NOR DO I KNOW THEIR NAMES. But rest assured they WERE the Maryland State Police. Word has it that there is a Special "Firearms" squad within the State Police and they have been asking gun dealers to keep a log of people who purchase handgun and other regulated weapon ammunition by making them show ID and signing their name when purchasing ammunition (not required under Maryland Law). Their MVA / DMV information is put in the log by the FFL Dealer right beside the ammunition you buy. Then once a week they (Police) come back to the stores pick up the logs of ammunition purchases and as in my case, they are comparing handgun ammunition purchases against known handgun registration files. This practice was first started by the Howard County or Baltimore City Police (I believe), and the MD State Police adopted this tactic as well. Perhaps it works, some criminals are stupid enough to purchase ammunition with their own ID. I am not a criminal nor am I stupid, but I was duped into signing those ammunition logs, without the FFL Dealer advising me that it is NOT mandatory or disclosing the log's true purpose.In fact I was told that if 'you' refuse to sign this ammunition log, the Dealer will refuse the sale. I will NEVER buy ammunition from that Dealer again.
We've contemplated moving back to VA or even go down to Florida for a while. But that was yesterday. Now there is nothing that will hold us back from moving back to a "Free State". Or at least a State where subversive tactics are not practiced by the Police.
FYI: I have been in contact with Attorney Chris Contee, NRA Legal Council and He/NRA is very interested in this case. Hopefully this Tactic can be publicized, excised and stopped.
- Henry Heymering, President
Maryland Shall Issue, Inc.
P.O. Box 314
Libertytown, MD 21762
I wish this kind of usurption of power actually made it into the media, but then again, that would take hard hitting, investigative reporting.
“FREAK STATE” Ping
The police are NOT your friends.The first, last, and ONLY words out of your mouth should be "I want to talk to a lawyer".
As a former resident of Maryland, it is sad to see that today being “The Free State” means that the “state” is “free” to do whatever it damn well pleases.
As a resident from The Peoples Republic of Maryland...I would like to see the MSM pick this and the Berwyn Mayor event along with it.
Maryland needs to be the ant farm under glass...for our country’s citizens to realize what voting for liberals gets you in the form of governmental and law enforcement authority.
I knew the trans-fat war was heating up, but I didn't know it had gone this far. Now that New York has banned the midday meal, it's good to know that Maryland is still an open carry lunch state.
This frightens me to death. The same thing could well have happened to me. I’m a Maryland resident and have a very old handgun acquired before all these gun laws came into being (Mr. OTTB bought it probably in 1968 and gave it to me during our marriage). I have had quite a supply of ammunition for it but am running low. Now I want to go buy some more—are the cops going to kick in my door at 3 a.m.?
I wish to God I could sell my house and move to Virginia like Mr. Curtis is going to. If I can find a job there, I will. I’m a lady living alone and I have the right to protect myself, since the police can’t.
please leave your constitutional rights outside the door
Unfortunately, we are NOT an open carry state. We are a “select few” conceal carry state as well.
No equal application of the law in Maryland.
Mail order ammo, reload, or go out of state.
There are quite a few things the police do very well. For one example they Dekalb county police here in GA very professionally shot and killed a 92 year old lady whose home they raided in the early AM hours based on a paid informant's false tip that she was dealing drugs.
Being that she lived in a "bad" area of town, when the cops busted into her home on a no-knock raid she of course thought they were home invaders, (which they actually were) and when she came out of her bedroom holding a pistol she was gunned down by the LE invaders. The LEOs involved are being prosecuted, but the elderly lady who was shot down like a rabid dog is still as dead as she was when the cops left her home that night.
Apparently unConstitutional no-knock raids are fine and dandy as far as the US judiciary is concerned, but killing 92 year old ladies who interfere with those raids isn't.
That is disgusting and simply disheartening.
Just continues to go along with the police actions in New Orleans.
Next time you find yourself in Virginia or Pennsylvania, buy a supply there. Pay cash. I know that in PA at least, I am not required to ID myself when buying ammo
Read #5 all the way through.
Are you sure they were DeKalb County? I thought that was some of Richard Pennington’s crew from the City of Atlanta.
Move to a free state! I moved from Cali to Florida, and I’m glad I did.
Sucks when your family is here, your friends are here, and your career for the foreseeable future is here.
Either work to change it, put up with it, or move.
I’ve been working to change it, the question is, when do I give up hope for it to work?
Maryland “Freak State” PING!
I think it’s better to stand and fight. At least here I’m creating a public nuisance (and occasionally an FR nuisance). I can annoy local politicians, embarrass my friends, frustrate my family and otherwise make it know that some people won’t stand still for the gradual destruction of our civil rights. If I were in a comfortably red state I’d be just another guy.
I picked up my new used Blackhawk convertible today, went to Jackson Arms and wrung it out with 38+p, .357 and 9mm. Ms. Jackie would not have been pleased. If I did that in Florida nobody would mind.
AMEN Brother! Amen!
I foresee a nice Remington 700 in my future. And probably another 1911 as well (carry ready if they ever allow us to).
That totally flew over your head, didn’t it?
Good idea. I can buy it in PA when we go to my husband’s family periodically.
If the answer is "Why yes, we do have a Warrant." you let them in.
If the answer is "No we don't." then your response is to say "Have a nice day, officer. Do come back when you get one."
Never, ever allow a police officer, Sheriff, or any Federal Agent of ANY kind into your home without a Warrant unless you've been the victim of a crime.
Actually, no it didn’t...I was just saying what’s going into my collection next ;-)
Exactly. Same thing with if they want to search your car.
“Got a warrant, because now that you’ve pulled me over, I’m later than I should have been. I’ll take my ticket and be on my way.”
You're right, I should have added that part of the sad story. But I didn't because I don't remember enough about the details that came to light in the aftermath of the incident to be sure that I got it right.
I have lived in rural Fannin county for over 11 years after leaving Roswell, and the Atlanta metro area now seems almost like another world whenever I go back down there.
I lived in MD for 20 years and I am so glad I moved out of that state. In PG county the criminals outgun the police. I believe the cops and politicians are on the wrong side of the law there. They support the criminals by disarming the law abiding citizens.