Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Victor Davis Hanson: Moscow’s Sinister Brilliance. Who wants to die for Tbilisi?
NRO ^ | August 12, 2008 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 08/12/2008 5:48:45 AM PDT by Tolik

Hard power trumps soft power — but power power trumps both


Lost amid all the controversies surrounding the Georgian tragedy is the sheer diabolic brilliance of the long-planned Russia invasion. Let us count the ways in which it is a win/win situation for Russia.

The Home Front
The long-suffering Russian people resent the loss of global influence and empire, but not necessarily the Soviet Union and its gulags that once ensured such stature. The invasion restores a sense of Russian nationalism and power to its populace without the stink of Stalinism, and is indeed cloaked as a sort of humanitarian intervention on behalf of beleaguered Ossetians.

There will be no Russian demonstrations about an “illegal war,” much less nonsense about “blood for oil,” but instead rejoicing at the payback of an uppity former province that felt its Western credentials somehow trumped Russian tanks. How ironic that the Western heartthrob, the old Marxist Mikhail Gorbachev, is now both lamenting Western encouragement of Georgian “aggression,” while simultaneously gloating over the return of Russian military daring.

Sinister Timing
Russia’s only worry is the United States, which currently has a lame-duck president with low approval ratings, and is exhausted after Afghanistan and Iraq. But more importantly, America’s attention is preoccupied with a presidential race, in which “world citizen” Barack Obama has mesmerized Europe as the presumptive new president and soon-to-be disciple of European soft power.

Better yet for Russia, instead of speaking with one voice, America is all over the map with three reactions from Bush, McCain, and Obama — all of them mutually contradictory, at least initially. Meanwhile, the world’s televisions are turned toward the Olympics in Beijing. The autocratic Chinese, busy jailing reporters and dissidents, are not about to say an unkind word about Russian intervention. If anything, the pageantry at their grandiose stadiums provides welcome distractions for those embarrassed over the ease with which Russia smothered Georgia.

Comeuppance
Most importantly, Putin and Medvedev have called the West’s bluff. We are sort of stuck in a time-warp of the 1990s, seemingly eons ago in which a once-earnest weak post-Soviet Russia sought Western economic help and political mentoring. But those days are long gone, and diplomacy hasn’t caught up with the new realities. Russia is flush with billions. It serves as a rallying point and arms supplier to thugs the world over that want leverage in their anti-Western agendas. For the last five years, its foreign policy can be reduced to “Whatever the United States is for, we are against.”

The geopolitical message is clear to both the West and the former Soviet Republics: don’t consider NATO membership (i.e., do the Georgians really think that, should they have been NATO members, any succor would have been forthcoming?).

Together with the dismal NATO performance in Afghanistan, the Georgian incursion reveals the weakness of the Atlantic Alliance. The tragic irony is unmistakable. NATO was given a gift in not having made Georgia a member, since otherwise an empty ritual of evoking Article V’s promise of mutual assistance in time of war would have effectively destroyed the Potemkin alliance.

The new reality is that a nuclear, cash-rich, and energy-blessed Russia doesn’t really worry too much whether its long-term future is bleak, given problems with Muslim minorities, poor life-expectancy rates, and a declining population. Instead, in the here and now, it has a window of opportunity to reclaim prestige and weaken its adversaries. So why hesitate?

Indeed, tired of European lectures, the Russians are now telling the world that soft power is, well, soft. Moscow doesn’t give a damn about the United Nations, the European Union, the World Court at the Hague, or any finger-pointing moralist from Geneva or London. Did anyone in Paris miss any sleep over the rubble of Grozny?

More likely, Putin & Co. figure that any popular rhetoric about justice will be trumped by European governments’ concern for energy. With just a few tanks and bombs, in one fell swoop, Russia has cowered its former republics, made them think twice about joining the West, and stopped NATO and maybe EU expansion in their tracks. After all, who wants to die for Tbilisi?

Russia does not need a global force-projection capacity; it has sufficient power to muscle its neighbors and thereby humiliate not merely its enemies, but their entire moral pretensions as well.

Apologists in the West

The Russians have sized up the moral bankruptcy of the Western Left. They know that half-a-million Europeans would turn out to damn their patron the United States for removing a dictator and fostering democracy, but not more than a half-dozen would do the same to criticize their long-time enemy from bombing a constitutional state.

The Russians rightly expect Westerners to turn on themselves, rather than Moscow — and they won’t be disappointed. Imagine the morally equivalent fodder for liberal lament: We were unilateral in Iraq, so we can’t say Russia can’t do the same to Georgia. (As if removing a genocidal dictator is the same as attacking a democracy). We accepted Kosovo’s independence, so why not Ossetia’s? (As if the recent history of Serbia is analogous to Georgia’s.) We are still captive to neo-con fantasies about democracy, and so encouraged Georgia’s efforts that provoked the otherwise reasonable Russians (As if the problem in Ossetia is our principled support for democracy rather than appeasement of Russian dictatorship).

From what the Russians learned of the Western reaction to Iraq, they expect their best apologists will be American politicians, pundits, professors, and essayists — and once more they will not be disappointed. We are a culture, after all, that after damning Iraqi democracy as too violent, broke, and disorganized, is now damning Iraqi democracy as too conniving, rich, and self-interested — the only common denominator being whatever we do, and whomever we help, cannot be good.

Power-power
We talk endlessly about “soft” and “hard” power as if humanitarian jawboning, energized by economic incentives or sanctions, is the antithesis to mindless military power. In truth, there is soft power, hard power, and power-power — the latter being the enormous advantages held by energy rich, oil-exporting states. Take away oil and Saudi Arabia would be the world’s rogue state, with its medieval practice of gender apartheid. Take away oil and Ahmadinejad is analogous to a run-of-the-mill central African thug. Take away oil, and Chavez is one of Ronald Reagan’s proverbial tinhorn dictators.

Russia understands that Europe needs its natural gas, that the U.S. not only must be aware of its own oil dependency, but, more importantly, the ripples of its military on the fragility of world oil supplies, especially the effects upon China, Europe, India, and Japan. When one factors in Russian oil and gas reserves, a pipeline through Georgia, the oil dependency of potential critics of Putin, and the cash garnered by oil exports, then we understand once again that power-power is beginning to trump both its hard and soft alternatives.

Paralysis
Military intervention is out of the question. Economic sanctions, given Russia’s oil and Europe’s need for it, are a pipe dream. Diplomatic ostracism and moral stricture won’t even save face.

Instead, Europe — both western and eastern — along with the United States and the concerned former Soviet Republics need to sit down, conference, and plot exactly how these new democracies are to maintain their independence and autonomy in the next decade. Hopefully, they will reach the Franklinesque conclusion that “We must, indeed, all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately.”
 


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: geopolitics; georgia; russia; vdh; victordavishanson; war
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-78 next last

1 posted on 08/12/2008 5:48:45 AM PDT by Tolik
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: neverdem; Lando Lincoln; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; SJackson; dennisw; monkeyshine; Alouette; ...


    Victor Davis Hanson Ping ! 

       Let me know if you want in or out.

Links:    FR Index of his articles:  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=victordavishanson
                His website: http://victorhanson.com/
                NRO archive: http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson-archive.asp
                Pajamasmedia:
   http://victordavishanson.pajamasmedia.com/

2 posted on 08/12/2008 5:50:13 AM PDT by Tolik
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tolik

I respect this man greatly, and I hate it that he’s correct.

I’d rather hear, “The bombings begin in ten minutes...”


3 posted on 08/12/2008 5:51:29 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tolik
The Russians have sized up the moral bankruptcy of the Western Left. They know that half-a-million Europeans would turn out to damn their patron the United States for removing a dictator and fostering democracy, but not more than a half-dozen would do the same to criticize their long-time enemy from bombing a constitutional state.

Where are all the liberals? Where are the liberal activist MSM types denouncing Russia? Oh, how they hate the U.S., and are silent when the bear crushes a democracy. They are fools unworthy of pity.

4 posted on 08/12/2008 5:52:22 AM PDT by Obadiah (I remember when the climate never changed, then Bush stole the election.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Running On Empty

Bookmark


5 posted on 08/12/2008 5:52:56 AM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Tolik

Gori is the birthplace of Josef Stalin. No wonder Putin wants it back...............


6 posted on 08/12/2008 5:53:10 AM PDT by Red Badger (All that carbon in all that oil and coal was once in the atmosphere. We're just putting it back.....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Diana in Wisconsin

Or five :)


7 posted on 08/12/2008 5:53:18 AM PDT by txhurl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Tolik
The Russians rightly expect Westerners to turn on themselves, rather than Moscow — and they won’t be disappointed. Imagine the morally equivalent fodder for liberal lament: We were unilateral in Iraq, so we can’t say Russia can’t do the same to Georgia. (As if removing a genocidal dictator is the same as attacking a democracy). We accepted Kosovo’s independence, so why not Ossetia’s? (As if the recent history of Serbia is analogous to Georgia’s.) We are still captive to neo-con fantasies about democracy, and so encouraged Georgia’s efforts that provoked the otherwise reasonable Russians (As if the problem in Ossetia is our principled support for democracy rather than appeasement of Russian dictatorship).

How very sad but true.

8 posted on 08/12/2008 5:54:34 AM PDT by rhombus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: txflake

Oops! I compensated for the inflation on everything these days, LOL! ;)


9 posted on 08/12/2008 5:55:14 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Tolik

Solid work by Hanson.


10 posted on 08/12/2008 5:55:55 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tolik
“The new reality is that a nuclear, cash-rich, and energy-blessed Russia doesn’t really worry too much whether its long-term future is bleak, given problems with Muslim minorities, poor life-expectancy rates, and a declining population. Instead, in the here and now, it has a window of opportunity to reclaim prestige and weaken its adversaries. So why hesitate?”

As I've said for years. A wounded bear is the most dangerous bear. They have nothing to lose at this point.

11 posted on 08/12/2008 5:57:48 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (If Hillary is elected, her legacy will be telling the American people: Better put some ice on that.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tolik

Outstanding article. We need to immediately convene NATO and grant membership to Ukraine. To show Putin that he may have won Georgia but he has lost Ukraine forever.


12 posted on 08/12/2008 6:01:16 AM PDT by mick
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Obadiah
The Left is busy planning an anti-W and anti-America protest on Washington, D.C. to accuse us of forcing the Russians to commit this noble act against our foreign aggression (probably).
13 posted on 08/12/2008 6:02:57 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (If Hillary is elected, her legacy will be telling the American people: Better put some ice on that.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Tolik

Let’s hope VDH is wrong and that we have a few more cards up our sleeve.


14 posted on 08/12/2008 6:09:54 AM PDT by hershey
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

Nothing to lose, little to fear and everything to gain. Nicely planned operation by Putin and Co.


15 posted on 08/12/2008 6:11:17 AM PDT by GBA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: mick
Outstanding article. We need to immediately convene NATO and grant membership to Ukraine. To show Putin that he may have won Georgia but he has lost Ukraine forever.

I agree. One standard view of how WWI started was a that a series of secret alliances helped a small fight in Serbia turn into a major Great Power conflagration. Georgia (sadly) is not in NATO. If western powers rush to defend Georgia as if it were a NATO member, then this is tantamount to a secet alliance (or a post facto alliance). That would be a bad choice.

On the other hand, pushing NATO membership of Ukraine is the opposite. Openly and enthusiaticly bring Ukraine under the umbrella of NATO and make it clear that Russian meddling will have massive consequences -- that's the way to teach Putin some manners.

16 posted on 08/12/2008 6:11:54 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Et si omnes ego non)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Monkey Face; MajorChaos; rrstar96; Jimmy Valentine; Arthur Wildfire! March; Lorianne; ZULU; ...
Eastern European ping list

FRmail me to be added or removed from this Eastern European ping list

17 posted on 08/12/2008 6:15:05 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Tolik

i wonder when europe’s going to wake up?

angela merkel, the chancellor of germany, opposed georgia’s admission to nato last month, after president bush’s trip.

france had questions about the “balance of power” changing in europe if the ukraine and georgia were allowed to join nato.

so, there you are.


18 posted on 08/12/2008 6:15:58 AM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Obadiah

Right. Where are all the peaceniks? Anybody protesting at the Russian embassy?


19 posted on 08/12/2008 6:19:27 AM PDT by Tolik
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Obadiah

There is no doubt that the American left are enemies of this nation and if successful will help foster the destruction of the world’s greatest super power — a house divided against itself cannot stand.

It really puts the Drill Here, Drill now issue in perspective.


20 posted on 08/12/2008 6:21:16 AM PDT by KansasGirl ( b/c Obama is just creepy.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Tolik
"The Russians have sized up the moral bankruptcy of the Western Left."

Everyone has. In fact, an oppressive oligarchy of thugs and tin-horn dictators, living in splendor--themselves, of course--is the Leftist Dream. Moral highmindedness is their camoflage, bread and circuses their handouts to the peasantry, but their moral bankruptcy is obvious to all but the delusional and the stupid.

21 posted on 08/12/2008 6:23:07 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Today Pelosi's going to save the planet. Last week she was Joan of Arc.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: mick

On this I agree, and it should include several brigades from the US and capable allies... oops. The US.

Europe is ready for a new dictator given Sarkozy’s comments. The French sound ready to F’ING surrender already.


22 posted on 08/12/2008 6:29:52 AM PDT by steveyp
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Tolik
Most importantly, Putin and Medvedev have called the West’s bluff.
23 posted on 08/12/2008 6:37:16 AM PDT by brytlea (Obama--Jimmy Carter's Second Term)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: hershey

I would love to imagine he’s wrong, but I don’t see how. I pray he’s wrong.
susie


24 posted on 08/12/2008 6:38:40 AM PDT by brytlea (Obama--Jimmy Carter's Second Term)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Tolik

weak


25 posted on 08/12/2008 6:42:08 AM PDT by eclectic (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tolik
The Russians have sized up the moral bankruptcy of the Western Left. - VDH

Well yes, about 80 years ago.

Another bunch have sized it up too: Muslims. Here's a snip from "The Role of Islam in North Ossetia" by Mikhail Roshchin:

"While the majority of Ossetians are Christian, according to official estimates, 15-30 percent of the population is Muslim. The Ossetian capital of Vladikavkaz houses the central mosque, built in the beginning of the 20th century. Money for the construction of the mosque came from Azeri oil magnate Murtuza Mukhtarov, who married an Ossetian woman named Tuganova. (The mosque was built in the Egyptian style and has no architectural analogies in the North Caucasus.) But it was only after the collapse of the Soviet Union that a massive religious revival occurred. Islam began to be practiced more openly, with many Muslims adopting so-called Wahhabism, which is what fundamentalism is referred to in the North Caucasus."

Full commentary at www.jamestown.org/terrorism/news/article.php?articleid=2372087

As long as this conflict is framed in terms of Christians killing Christians, and a toddling democracy being mowed down by an undead and flesh-eating Soviet empire, Muslims will be reinforced, especially in their opinions of the moral bankruptcy of the West, its ruling left, plus its right and center.

26 posted on 08/12/2008 6:43:30 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (My spiritual advisor is a lawyer.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Savage Beast

Well said.


27 posted on 08/12/2008 6:45:29 AM PDT by Obadiah (I remember when the climate never changed, then Bush stole the election.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Tolik

Yep, he nails it.


28 posted on 08/12/2008 6:48:10 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Diana in Wisconsin
I agree. But I wonder if Putin and more especially his generals have the stones for a fight. If we were to commit air power and do to the Ruskies what the IAF does periodically to Syria would the embarassment force Putin to retreat or would he and his generals up the stakes.

If we do nothing then Poland, Ukraine, the Baltics, the stans, and just about every former soviet republic and satellite will look at us and see the choppers leaving the roof of the embassy in Saigon. Putin will be on the way to restoring what Reagan, John Paul II, and Maggie Thatcher destroyed. I would not wish to be George Bush today.

29 posted on 08/12/2008 6:55:05 AM PDT by xkaydet65 (Freedom is purchased not with gold, but with steel.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: mick
Outstanding article. We need to immediately convene NATO and grant membership to Ukraine. To show Putin that he may have won Georgia but he has lost Ukraine forever.

I agree that this is the right thing to do but I doubt that the spineless Europeans will agree.

30 posted on 08/12/2008 6:59:24 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: xkaydet65

This is the opening round of Russia’s march to reclaim their empire. Sorta reminds me of Germany circa 1930s. The West will wring their hands and beg for peace until it’s too late. All the Russians need to complete their conquests is President Obama.


31 posted on 08/12/2008 7:04:48 AM PDT by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Tolik

With great and painful reluctance, I am forced to agree with the author.


32 posted on 08/12/2008 7:13:46 AM PDT by sourcery (Social Justice. n. 1. Enslavement of those who work for the benefit of those who don't.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: steveyp

I missed Sarkozy’s comments. What did he say?

From your post I guess it was a cave...which surprises me. I thought he was a tough guy and a defender of the West.


33 posted on 08/12/2008 7:15:45 AM PDT by mick
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: mick

“We need to immediately convene NATO and grant membership to Ukraine. To show Putin that he may have won Georgia but he has lost Ukraine forever.”

Absolutely excellent post. From your fingertips to God’s ear.

Tatt


34 posted on 08/12/2008 7:25:19 AM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said it's prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: ClearCase_guy
Openly and enthusiaticly bring Ukraine under the umbrella of NATO and make it clear that Russian meddling will have massive consequences -- that's the way to teach Putin some manners.

Except that the "NATO umbrella" is a fraud, and Putin knows it.

Bringing Ukraine into NATO is provocative, and, since the provocation has nothing backing it up except hot air, it's a dangerous provocation.

35 posted on 08/12/2008 7:29:16 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When He rolls up His sleeves, He ain't just puttin' on the Ritz)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: ClearCase_guy
On the other hand, pushing NATO membership of Ukraine is the opposite. Openly and enthusiaticly bring Ukraine under the umbrella of NATO and make it clear that Russian meddling will have massive consequences -- that's the way to teach Putin some manners.

The eastern europeans have a clearer eye when it comes to the Russians. Germany & some of the other original NATO countries are rather crudely (pardon the pun) being manipulated by Putin. Maybe we shout just scap NATO & create a BALTIC alliance? Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, the US (and any other NATO country that cares to do some heavy-lifting... you get the idea.

36 posted on 08/12/2008 7:33:21 AM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Jim Noble
You may be right. In which case, what's the point of NATO? And what's the point of the UN?

I say: bring Ukraine into NATO. If NATO shows itself to be a fraud, then dissolve NATO. I certainly think we should dissolve the UN -- they showed themselves to be frauds a long time ago.

The world cannot move toward real solutions as long as we have some expectation that these ridiculous organizations have roles to play. Sweep the table clean and face the situations clearly.

37 posted on 08/12/2008 7:35:25 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Et si omnes ego non)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: Tolik
They know that half-a-million Europeans would turn out to damn their patron the United States for removing a dictator and fostering democracy, but not more than a half-dozen would do the same to criticize their long-time enemy from bombing a constitutional state.

Brilliant essay, God I wish it weren't so true. The West's "civilized" ways may lead to the end of Western civilization. We assume that others will play by our rules but the world is run by force in the end, and I would prefer that force to be in the hands of people who love freedom rather than ruthless power-hungry dictators.

38 posted on 08/12/2008 7:50:53 AM PDT by RobFromGa (It's the Spending, Stupid! (not the method of collection))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: mick

MOSCOW (AFP)—French President Nicolas Sarkozy said Tuesday it was “normal” for Moscow to defend Russian-speaking people beyond its borders, but added that Georgia’s territorial integrity had to be respected.

“It’s perfectly normal that Russia would want to defend the interests both of Russians in Russia and Russian speakers outside Russia,” Sarkozy said.

Sarkozy went on to ask which camp Brother Putin would like the French Jews and Gypsies and Homosexuals sent. It’s only the normal course of business in the EUrinal EUtopia.


39 posted on 08/12/2008 7:53:39 AM PDT by steveyp
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: Tolik

One thing VDH does not mention as a possible reprisal is us exercising again the “Afghan” option. Would it be possible for Vlad to learn the meaning of “Sin in Haste, Repent at leisure”?


40 posted on 08/12/2008 7:55:23 AM PDT by Riflema
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ClearCase_guy
You may be right. In which case, what's the point of NATO? And what's the point of the UN?

Who ever said there was any point to NATO or the UN?

The only purpose that I can discern for those organizations is to entangle the US in a web of foreign alliances, which can inhibit or obstruct American freedom of action while allowing our enemies to proceed unchecked.

41 posted on 08/12/2008 8:02:24 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When He rolls up His sleeves, He ain't just puttin' on the Ritz)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: ClearCase_guy
You may be right. In which case, what's the point of NATO? And what's the point of the UN?

Who ever said there was any point to NATO or the UN?

The only purpose that I can discern for those organizations is to entangle the US in a web of foreign alliances, which can inhibit or obstruct American freedom of action while allowing our enemies to proceed unchecked.

42 posted on 08/12/2008 8:02:27 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When He rolls up His sleeves, He ain't just puttin' on the Ritz)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: mick

MOSCOW (AFP)—French President Nicolas Sarkozy said Tuesday it was “normal” for Moscow to defend Russian-speaking people beyond its borders, but added that Georgia’s territorial integrity had to be respected.

“It’s perfectly normal that Russia would want to defend the interests both of Russians in Russia and Russian speakers outside Russia,” Sarkozy said.

Sarkozy went on to ask which camp Brother Putin would like the French Jews and Gypsies and Homosexuals sent. It’s only the normal course of business in the EUrinal EUtopia.


43 posted on 08/12/2008 8:05:07 AM PDT by steveyp
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: Obadiah

Because they’re frauds? Their so-called anti-war stance is a prop. It’s nothing but a tool to tear down their opponents and clear a path to power. And once they get that power everything they claim the US to be times 10.

The so-called liberals are nothing but bloodthirsty tyrants who will kill you, me, our families, and anyone we associate with. All they want is to control the US or whatever democratic country they reside in with an iron fist. They could care less what Russia or anyone else does.


44 posted on 08/12/2008 8:20:33 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (No prisoners. No mercy. Fight back or STFU!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Tolik

Ukraine has a sizable minority of russians amongst it, and if you think come a cold january the fops of euroland are going to go to bat for some color coded revolutianary up to his or her armpits in snaky deals (like the gas queen)then you will be disappointed.


45 posted on 08/12/2008 8:34:17 AM PDT by junta (White liberals the soft underbelly of the fat pig known as the Democratic party. apologies to pigs)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Comment #46 Removed by Moderator

To: Tolik

Excellent article by VDH, as usual. The RATS in DC had better start waking up.


47 posted on 08/12/2008 8:53:30 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tolik
The invasion restores a sense of Russian nationalism

Facism works every time, whether it's Mussolini, the Nazis, ChiComs (misnomer) and now Russians. Here's the standard definition:

The great irony is that Russia is embracing an ideology that killed 25m of its citizens 65 years ago.

48 posted on 08/12/2008 8:59:06 AM PDT by semantic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Free Vulcan

You are wise. You truly see beyond the veil.


49 posted on 08/12/2008 9:06:25 AM PDT by Obadiah (I remember when the climate never changed, then Bush stole the election.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: steveyp

Thanks.....and you make an excellent point...don’t the french have a saying about the more things change the more they remain the same?

These people never learn....or maybe they learn and don’t care....or maybe they care but are too cowardly to do anything about it.


50 posted on 08/12/2008 9:06:48 AM PDT by mick
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-78 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson