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Diary shows Tojo resisted surrender till end
Associated Press ^ | August 12, 2008 | MARI YAMAGUCHI

Posted on 08/12/2008 4:41:19 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

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To: cynwoody

“It turns out there was another one ready to drop on the 19th, two more in September, and probably three in October. They were expecting to crank one out about every ten days.”

Maybe we should have been gearing our European bombers up for trips to Mother Russia?

That aside - Think about what these scientists and engineers accomplished. To weaponize these devices and have both work perfectly using different technologies with only one prior tower test on one design. That was American can do at its finest. We can’t even rebuild a freaking skyscraper now (WTC site) or a Memorial (United 93) or a new refinery.

I am praying that our defense dollars are cooking up some special weapons for when we go to war with a major power like China or Russia. If not we are going to be filling lots of bodybags again.


51 posted on 08/12/2008 10:40:56 PM PDT by exhaustguy
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To: exhaustguy

Yes, I’ve always been somewhat awed by the fact that they dropped the Hiroshima bomb without testing one first. But the scientists were convinced by their calculations that it would work. And they were right.

The gun-assembly design was actually an insurance policy against the risk that they would not be able to make the more difficult, yet more elegant and efficient, implosion design work in time to matter. I’m pretty sure the Hiroshima bomb is the only gun-assembly device ever exploded, at least by the US, its allies, or Russia. Thus, since no example has been tested with proper monitoring equipment in place, there is some uncertainty as to the exact characteristics of its detonation.


52 posted on 08/12/2008 11:14:25 PM PDT by cynwoody
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53 posted on 08/13/2008 1:07:12 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: Age of Reason

I noticed that in TV’s “Letters from Iwo Jima” the Japanese commander shoots himself in the chest with the .45 Colt given to him by American colleagues in happier times. I stand corrected about a head shot.

But I recall now a WWII photo of a Jap soldier who committed suicide with his rifle thus: “he removed his boot, stuck his big toe in the trigger guard, and fired the bullet into his chest”.

C’est la guerre......


54 posted on 08/13/2008 3:08:28 AM PDT by elcid1970 (My cartridges are dipped in pig grease)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This ought to fire up their nationalists.

Do I hear calls for a Greater Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere?


55 posted on 08/13/2008 5:54:49 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: Eye of Unk
Personally I think future warfare should be technologically aimed at removing the absolute top tiers of leadership

Oh, I can see how Putin might do this, but I'm pretty sure folks in DC would avoid it like the plague for fear of a "turnabout is fair play" attack on DC. Only bad guys like Osama who don't have ICBMs will be targeted. And even then, folks like Clinton will do their best to miss.

56 posted on 08/13/2008 6:02:29 AM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard work to be cynical enough in this age)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“died-in-the-wool”?

Come on AP, you’re better than that!


57 posted on 08/13/2008 6:07:55 AM PDT by Law is not justice but process
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To: dvwjr

Thanks for the new information. All the books I had read say otherwise, but you guys seem to have more complete information.


58 posted on 08/13/2008 6:56:48 AM PDT by drc43 (NO Drilling for prosperity!!....Nancy Pelosi)
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To: coconutt2000
From enemy to partner to ally in under 100 years. Talk about progress.

Sounds a lot like Canada.

59 posted on 08/13/2008 7:47:29 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (TSA and DHS are jobs programs for people who are not smart enough to flip burgers)
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To: freema; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; SevenofNine; Allegra; TrueKnightGalahad; blackie; ...
One of the few times my Father ever talked about the serious side of his part in the Second World War, he said he was a forward observer in Italy early one morning.

Looking thought binoculars, he noticed some movement in some bushes in a far off field. Dad called in three rounds at that spot. The first exploded long and Dad said he saw a German soldier stand up out of the bushes. The guy had been taking a dump and he still had his pants down.

The second round fell short and Dad said the guy turned around. “Son,” he said, “I swear that guy looked right at me. Right at me!”

Then the third round landed, blowing the German to kingdom come. Dad said it was funny at the time, but as time passed he changed his mind.

“You know, Danny,” Dad said, “I killed a lot of people in World War Two, but that guy, he was just trying to take a s**t and I simply murdered him. I'll see his face until the day I die.”

60 posted on 08/13/2008 8:04:24 AM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: elcid1970

And who can forget the Mayor of Hiroshima’s famous last words on August 6th 1945... “What the f*&k was that?”


61 posted on 08/13/2008 10:07:26 AM PDT by HenpeckedCon (Deport them all... Let God sort them out!)
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To: NVDave

Mr G’s father was a lovely gentle man who wouldn’t hurt a fly. Six months before he died his second wife told us that he had worked on the Manhattan project. We were stunned! He had never ever said one word about it, and when we asked him then (2002) all he would say is “That’s secret.” We came home and talked to my family about how closed mouth this man had been.

Fast forward 4 years to the death of my step father, another lovely gentle man who wouldn’t hurt a fly. After the funeral his brother told us that he had worked on the Manhattan project. He spent several years in New Mexico, only able to go into town every several weeks so he could call his wife. He never said a word to us, even after we talked about Mr G’s dad.

They amaze me, to be able to keep that kind of secret, even when everything has been put out in the open.


62 posted on 08/13/2008 10:14:22 AM PDT by Grammy (Obama worked for 143 days as a Senator before deciding he was qualified to be President.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Both sides of my family were in Japan at the time of the surrender. I concur with your thoughts. As I said in an earlier post, that wasn’t a society ready to quit-it was a society ready to die. The parallels with North Korea are eerie. Those bombs saved millions of lives, both in Japan and on the Asian mainland.


63 posted on 08/13/2008 11:30:03 AM PDT by tanuki (u)
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To: NVDave

“Further supporting this position are the recollections of the bureaucrat running Radio Tokyo at the time. The militarists wanted to prevent him from broadcasting Hirohito’s message to his subjects. The radio station manager hid the tape from Tojo’s loyalists/militarists and went forward with the broadcast after the search for the recording.”

There was actually a car chase through the streets of Tokyo to get it there at all. The Japanese Nazis tried to head it off at the pass.


64 posted on 08/13/2008 11:39:06 AM PDT by dsc
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To: Bender2

“You know, Danny,” Dad said, “I killed a lot of people in World War Two, but that guy, he was just trying to take a s**t and I simply murdered him. I’ll see his face until the day I die.”

Good on your Dad for his ability to empathize with the humanity of an enemy performing an ordinary human task at the time that he killed him. Notwithstanding that, and with respect to your father, he didn’t murder him. He did his duty by engaging the enemy as he had been trained to do.

I understand what he is saying, I often have the same sort of qualms about what I did in Vietnam. I guess that is one more of the mutitude of reasons why we have to honor people like your Dad.


65 posted on 08/13/2008 1:25:04 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: DMZFrank
Re: I understand what he is saying, I often have the same sort of qualms about what I did in Vietnam. I guess that is one more of the mutitude of reasons why we have to honor people like your Dad.

Thanks Frank. Dad would have understood and thanked you if he was around today. He passed away very suddenly on July 8th, 1971. Way too early to go as he was only 52 when he died.

Not a day goes by that I don't miss him.

66 posted on 08/13/2008 1:48:23 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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Re: They amaze me, to be able to keep that kind of secret, even when everything has been put out in the open.

That is the difference between yesterday's customs & morals and today's. When a man gave his word back then, 99% kept it. Many onto the grave.

Nowadays, there is very little, if any, civility, morality, sense of honor or duty to be found in most young people I see.

Of course, it is totally lacking in the Democrat Party of nObama, Clinton, Pelosi, Reid and their followers.

67 posted on 08/13/2008 1:59:35 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I’ve been puzzling over this all day and had to wait
until I got home to ask this question...
How (by what method) did the japs signal their surrender?
How did we know they were giving up?
How did we know it was not just a trick or stalling tactic?


68 posted on 08/13/2008 2:53:21 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: Bender2; Grammy

Ironically, my family and I were surprised to find ourselves as witnesses to another Manhattan Project ‘confession’ at a military dinner. Impeccable gentleman. I mean- Impeccable.

I was not at all surprised when he passed a short time later.

Bender, there are still many young men and women of honor still to be found these days. They too, have stories they will carry to their graves. One of the primary reasons supporting the troops is so critical is that no one knows what they carry in their hearts. That stupid protest called Eyes Wide Open is countered by the rest of us with Arms Wide Open, to give them sanctuary.


69 posted on 08/13/2008 5:12:25 PM PDT by freema (MarineNiece,Daughter,Wife,Friend,Sister,Friend,Aunt,Friend,Mother,Friend,Cousin, FRiend)
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To: DMZFrank; Bender2

No regrets. I thank God for men like you and Bender’s dad.

No regrets.

Thank God you both came home alive.


70 posted on 08/13/2008 5:15:33 PM PDT by freema (MarineNiece,Daughter,Wife,Friend,Sister,Friend,Aunt,Friend,Mother,Friend,Cousin, FRiend)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Tojo knew his fate if Japan surrendered,


71 posted on 08/13/2008 7:19:23 PM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: ClearCase_guy

Agreed.


72 posted on 08/13/2008 10:00:01 PM PDT by rdl6989
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To: freema
Re: Bender, there are still many young men and women of honor still to be found these days.

I did say "Nowadays, there is very little, if any, civility, morality, sense of honor or duty to be found in most young people I see."

That encompasses most of the customers and checkers at my Wallyworld and the local A&Ps hereabouts. I know there are many, many young folk who still measure up, but nowadays it is just harder to find them as the traditional and values of our Founding Fathers are not taught nor honored in these times. Especially in the Democrat Party!

73 posted on 08/13/2008 10:31:14 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Popman
I have always considered the bombing of Horoshima and Nagasaki to be among the greatest humanitarian events of the 20th century.

Wow, I just imagined a DU or KOS lurker reading your posts and their heads exploding.


And that, would be yet another great humanitarian event...
74 posted on 08/13/2008 10:37:38 PM PDT by rottndog (Government is a necessary evil, but as with all evils, the less of it the better.)
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To: Repeal The 17th
Re: How (by what method) did the japs signal their surrender?

The history books of my day had the full story and many different histories since then have covered it, but in a nut shell:

The Japanese Foreign Ministry sent telegrams to the Allies, announcing that Japan would accept the Potsdam Declaration but would not comprise any demand which would prejudice the prerogatives of the Emperor. That effectively meant that the Tennō would remain a position of real power within the government — power that was normally wielded in his name by the people at the tops of the military and governmental hierarchies.

The response from the Allies was received on August 12. On the status of the Emperor it said, "From the moment of surrender the authority of the Emperor and the Japanese government to rule the state shall be subject to the Supreme Commander of the Allied powers who will take such steps as he deems proper to effectuate the surrender terms. ... The ultimate form of government of Japan shall, in accordance with the Potsdam Declaration, be established by the freely expressed will of the Japanese people."

We were prepared for the Japanese not being on the level, but all in all, they obeyed Hirohito and did not cause any major problems.

More info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrender_of_Japan

75 posted on 08/13/2008 10:41:14 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Bender2

“The Foreign Ministry sent telegrams to the Allies,
announcing that Japan would accept the Potsdam Declaration...”
... that is the tidbit I was looking for.
Surrender by tegram - THANKS!
“Dear USA stop we want the bombing to stop stop”


76 posted on 08/14/2008 6:46:46 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: Repeal The 17th
Glad to be of service!

BTW are you trying... to undo my last divorce by calling for Repeal The 17th?

77 posted on 08/14/2008 11:05:19 AM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Bender2

If you’ve had 17 that’s, at the very least, 16 too many.
- - -
Guy approaches girl at bar and says,
“You remind me a lot of my 4th wife.”
Girl says,
“Your 4th wife? Lordy how many times have you been married?”
Guy says,
“Three so far.”
ba-dum-dum
- - -
It is every robot’s duty to give his life for the good of humanity.


78 posted on 08/14/2008 2:24:28 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: Repeal The 17th; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; SevenofNine; Allegra; TrueKnightGalahad
Yes, I cetainly do chase them gals all the time... but it is my software that makes me do it.

Well, that... and lots of beer!

79 posted on 08/14/2008 2:51:27 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Bender2

“Nowadays, there is very little, if any, civility, morality, sense of honor or duty to be found in most young people I see.”

That’s a bit of an exaggeration, methinks. Go tell that to our young men fighting over in Iraq and Afghanistan today. And our young men and women in the National Guard in this country. All is not lost. There are many honorable young people today. Unfortunately, it is all the bad seeds that get the media play, mainly because so many of the MSM are equally lacking in sense of honor, duty or morality. On that we could agree.


80 posted on 08/14/2008 11:01:19 PM PDT by flaglady47 (South Ossetia = Kosovo - thanks Bill Clinton)
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To: Eye of Unk

http://technology.newscientist.com/article/dn14520-us-boasts-of-laser-weapons-plausible-deniability.html?DCMP=ILC-hmts&nsref=news6_head_dn14520


81 posted on 08/14/2008 11:11:30 PM PDT by happygrl
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To: Free ThinkerNY
A propos of nothing:

1. During his pre-execution captivity in Tokyo's Sugamo Prison, Tojo's US Navy dentist drilled into his patient's dentures, "Remember Pearl Harbor" in Morse Code. Tojo was hanged wearing these same dentures.

2. Tojo was a really great dad (just throwing that in there).

3. J Army pilots took off and engaged US aircraft in combat after hearing the Emperor's "let's surrender" broadcast.

4. There were several very desperate firefights (a couple on the very grounds of the Imperial Castle) to try and intercept the surrender recording (it was not live); militants were claiming that the Emperor had been kidnapped and was forced into the broadcast.

82 posted on 08/15/2008 6:32:32 PM PDT by gaijin
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