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Home Science Under Attack In Massachusetts
Slashdot News ^ | 12 August 2008

Posted on 08/13/2008 7:13:32 AM PDT by yankeedame

Home Science Under Attack In Massachusetts

An anonymous reader tips a guest posting up on the MAKE Magazine blog by the author of the Illustrated Guide to Home Chemistry Experiments. It seems that authorities in Massachusetts have raided a home chemistry lab, apparently without a warrant, and made off with all of its contents. Here's the local article from the Worcester Telegram & Gazette.

"Victor Deeb, a retired chemist who lives in Marlboro, has finally been allowed to return to his Fremont Street home, after Massachusetts authorities spent three days ransacking his basement lab and making off with its contents.

"Deeb is not accused of making methamphetamine or other illegal drugs. He's not accused of aiding terrorists, synthesizing explosives, nor even of making illegal fireworks. Deeb fell afoul of the Massachusetts authorities for... doing experiments...

"Pamela Wilderman, the code enforcement officer for [the Massachusetts town of] Marlboro stated, 'I think Mr. Deeb has crossed a line somewhere. This is not what we would consider to be a customary home occupation.'

"Allow me to translate Ms. Wilderman's words into plain English: 'Mr. Deeb hasn't actually violated any law or regulation that I can find, but I don't like what he's doing because I'm ignorant and irrationally afraid of chemicals, so I'll abuse my power to steal his property and shut him down.'"


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: banglist; chemistry; deeb; fourthamendment; govwatch; leo; lp; makemagazine; makers; makezine; massachusetts; propertyrights; science; wod
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1 posted on 08/13/2008 7:13:32 AM PDT by yankeedame
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To: yankeedame

Before any conclusion can be made about what happened we would have to know what kind of experiments were going on.


2 posted on 08/13/2008 7:15:53 AM PDT by Bob J (For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one strikes at it's root.)
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To: yankeedame
...Pamela Wilderman, the code enforcement officer for [the Massachusetts town of] Marlboro stated, 'I think Mr. Deeb has crossed a line somewhere...

Unbelievable. Mr.Deeb should sue the crap out of the city and Ms. Wilderman.

3 posted on 08/13/2008 7:16:36 AM PDT by FReepaholic (Me no bottom man. Me top man.)
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To: yankeedame

Everyone knows you must have papers from the State to insure you are only conducting state approved experiments. Zhere ar places for zees peeple where they must be re-educated !!! Wha.... Oh I lost my head for a second.


4 posted on 08/13/2008 7:21:05 AM PDT by ladtx ( "Never miss a good chance to shut up." - - Will Rogers)
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To: Bob J
He could have been making crystal meth by the barrel, but if the "apparently without a warrant" is true then it will get tossed by the first sane judge it comes in front of.

What's next, raiding someone's garage metalworking shop because it could be used to make guns?

5 posted on 08/13/2008 7:22:01 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Whale oil: the renewable biofuel for the 21st century.)
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To: yankeedame
One of my childhood favorites:

The Golden Book of Chemistry Experiments

6 posted on 08/13/2008 7:30:07 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Public policy should never become the captive of a scientific-technological elite. -- Ike Eisenhower)
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To: yankeedame
"Allow me to translate Ms. Wilderman's words into plain English: 'Mr. Deeb hasn't actually violated any law or regulation that I can find, but I don't like what he's doing because I'm ignorant and irrationally afraid of chemicals, so I'll abuse my power to steal his property and shut him down.'"

I wonder what the code enforcement Nazis would think about teaching kids all about evil chemicals and other scary science stuff.


7 posted on 08/13/2008 7:31:49 AM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: KarlInOhio

Or anyone’s kitchen. My fridge has the occasional “biology experiment” and my stove top has daily demonstrations of liquid to gas when I make tea.


8 posted on 08/13/2008 7:31:57 AM PDT by PrincessB ("I am an expert on my own opinion." - Dave Ramsey)
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To: yankeedame

Shouldn’t Marlboro be more concerned with deporting it’s large illegal immigrant population?


9 posted on 08/13/2008 7:35:09 AM PDT by Andy'smom
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To: KarlInOhio
What's next, raiding someone's garage metalworking shop because it could be used to make guns?

Already being done. If you get raided by the Feebies looking for "silencer parts" or "conversion devices", better make sure you don't have fender washers, scrap lengths of iron pipe, or fiberglass matting laying around.

10 posted on 08/13/2008 7:35:34 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: PrincessB

What is “customary home occupation”. A Man and a Woman living together in Marriage perhaps?


11 posted on 08/13/2008 7:39:30 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Andy'smom
Shouldn’t Marlboro be more concerned with deporting it’s large illegal immigrant population?

Are you saying the Marlboro FD shouldn't have come to his home to put out the fire?

12 posted on 08/13/2008 7:40:05 AM PDT by ColdWater
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To: Bob J

Read the linked article to see that nothing more serious or generally considered hazardous than kitchen chemicals were found; the city just felt that such an enterprise ran afoul of the local zoning rules concerning home-based businesses - even though they agreed there was no evidence of a profit making nature.

Couldn’t such a decision be made and the same actions taken against home-brewed biofuels, as well?

Or perhaps a small wine or beer making project; the imagination soars.


13 posted on 08/13/2008 7:40:48 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Bob J

Maybe he was making a nuclear reactor. Been done before ...

http://www.dangerouslaboratories.org/radscout.html


14 posted on 08/13/2008 7:42:06 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan ("Jesse Jackson was an important figure; paving the way for Osama bin Laden to appear" -- Dan Rather)
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To: yankeedame
What this is, is a war between intellectualy accomplished professionals and social workers with bachelors degrees who could never have made it in private industries or academia because they are essentially complete idiots with a badge.

I am a firm supporter of the notion that we are a de-evolving culture. An Idiocracy.

15 posted on 08/13/2008 7:42:32 AM PDT by blackdog
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To: KarlInOhio

It’s bulletproof, no charges filed, ergo, no court case.

Maybe a civil suit for an illegal taking.


16 posted on 08/13/2008 7:42:47 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: ColdWater

What did the fire have to do with the chemicals?

A window air-conditioner smoking will burn very little and self-extinguish when the power cord is pulled; the smoke was two floors above the lab.


17 posted on 08/13/2008 7:49:04 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: yankeedame

Freedom under attack in Massachusetts. When ARE the American people going to WAKE UP?


18 posted on 08/13/2008 7:52:47 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Old Professer

Interesting how the “fire” in the article became “smoke” in your post ...


19 posted on 08/13/2008 7:54:11 AM PDT by ColdWater
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To: Old Professer
I know it's fiction, but do you remember the scene in Ghostbusters where the municipal inspector decides to get awnry over tose things of which he knows nothing about?

A very true and typical reaction of most agencies both local and federal.

20 posted on 08/13/2008 7:55:40 AM PDT by blackdog
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To: bamahead

Can we get a ping to the Libertarian list for this?

Thanks FRiend.


21 posted on 08/13/2008 7:55:49 AM PDT by ksen (Don't steal. The government hates the competition. - sign on Ron Paul's desk)
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To: yankeedame

According to the Globe, she's a former theatre major that the town is paying $50,000 per year. http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/09/09/she_keeps_an_eye_on_citys_eyesores/

22 posted on 08/13/2008 7:56:47 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Ditto
Yikes! The way Mr. Wizard is pressing-up against that kid while gazing, mouth agape at that explosive column of fire...

Mr. Wizard... This is the Marlboro Police... Raise you hands slowly and move away from the child...

23 posted on 08/13/2008 7:59:51 AM PDT by afortiori
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To: ksen; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; ...
'This is Mr. Deeb’s hobby....I think Mr. Deeb has crossed a line somewhere. This is not what we would consider to be a customary home occupation.'

Libertarian ping! To be added or removed freepmail me or post a message here.
24 posted on 08/13/2008 8:02:28 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: ksen

Good find, thanks!


25 posted on 08/13/2008 8:03:01 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: yankeedame

OMIGOSH! He had CHEMICALS in his house!!!!!!!!!! Hang ‘em high, boys!!!!!!!!


26 posted on 08/13/2008 8:03:56 AM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Vigilantism will arise where the justice system is viewed as overly lenient and/or ineffective.)
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To: KarlInOhio
"What's next, raiding someone's garage metalworking shop because it could be used to make guns?"

Please don't give them any ideas - they can come up with way too many on their own, thank you.
27 posted on 08/13/2008 8:05:33 AM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Vigilantism will arise where the justice system is viewed as overly lenient and/or ineffective.)
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To: blackdog

[”I am a firm supporter of the notion that we are a de-evolving culture. An Idiocracy.”]

I hate to think that you’re right about that, but here’s your evidence....
“Pamela Wilderman, the code enforcement officer for [the Massachusetts town of] Marlboro stated, ‘I think Mr. Deeb has crossed a line somewhere. This is not what we would consider to be a customary home occupation.]

This “war” started in the 70’s when the highly successful space program was diminished in favor of the government social spending spree that has gotten us well on the road to idiocracy. You can also see it in the politicization of science and the continuing de-emphasis in math and science in our public schools.


28 posted on 08/13/2008 8:07:59 AM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: KarlInOhio

I guess the state will qualify my refrigerator for raiding a few weeks after canning season ends when I learn what I botched trying to preserve my garden harvest.


29 posted on 08/13/2008 8:09:22 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: KarlInOhio

They wouldn’t need a warrant if they believed there may be imminent danger to life or property.

If a cop hears screaming and gunshots in a house, does he need to get a warrant before he goes in and investigates?

That being said, the court is going to look closely at whatever justification they say they had.


30 posted on 08/13/2008 8:09:32 AM PDT by Bob J (For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one strikes at it's root.)
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To: KarlInOhio
but if the "apparently without a warrant" is true then it will get tossed by the first sane judge it comes in front of

Unfortunately, Massachusetts isn't well known for it's sane judges...
31 posted on 08/13/2008 8:09:43 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: KarlInOhio

Also, I doubt the city just went on a fishing expedition. I’m going to assume they had a complaint from someone who had personal knowledge, either visual or from comments of the chemist, of what might be going on there.


32 posted on 08/13/2008 8:10:59 AM PDT by Bob J (For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one strikes at it's root.)
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To: haroldeveryman

“This is not what we think” Good o’l group-think.


33 posted on 08/13/2008 8:11:01 AM PDT by blackdog
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To: trisham
According to the Globe, she's a former theatre major

 



34 posted on 08/13/2008 8:11:27 AM PDT by grjr21
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To: yankeedame

The city is wrong. Politicians are finding more and more excuses to violate privace and illegally seize private property. Fascism is wrong even when practiced by the government.


35 posted on 08/13/2008 8:11:30 AM PDT by BooksForTheRight.com (Fight liberal lies with knowledge. Read conservative books and articles.)
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To: Old Professer

All I’m saying is let’s first get all the facts. I really am disgusted with these sensationalized articles that give you just enough info to get you outraged but not enough to form an informed opinion. It’s like they know their readers are stupid and play on it.

Reminds me of the Enquirer...


36 posted on 08/13/2008 8:12:49 AM PDT by Bob J (For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one strikes at it's root.)
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To: massgopguy
What is customary home occupation. A Man and a Woman living together in Marriage perhaps?

Soon in the blue states a customary home occupation will be a man and a man living together in "marriage" with their cloned baby.

37 posted on 08/13/2008 8:13:44 AM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: Hegemony Cricket
Don't laugh! They have done just that where we live. If you weld or machine anything on your property you are in violation of town ordinances. Ever try to live in a rural farming area and not weld or machine anything during any given week either for yourself or a neighbor?

They have a county undercover rat who drives around and pulls up in your drive and asks you if you'll fix his axle, shaft, or frame of whatever he's got in his truck-bed? If you say "sure, just pull it over here" , you're busted.

38 posted on 08/13/2008 8:16:35 AM PDT by blackdog
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... code enforcement officer ...

When gubmint gives someone a title and a salary, you can bet your bottom dollar that someone will find a way to justify said title and salary. Think climate pimp, EPA, BATF, etc.

39 posted on 08/13/2008 8:16:43 AM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Man, that's stupid ... even by congressional standards.)
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To: Old Professer

Put it this way, if the guy was a Muslim, people on this thread would be cheering.

Firefighters go to the house to put out a fire and find a basement filled with all kinds of chemicals. If would be irresponsible for them not to respond and check it out.


40 posted on 08/13/2008 8:18:31 AM PDT by Bob J (For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one strikes at it's root.)
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To: yankeedame

“Phone call for Mr.Deeb.......It’s your homeowners insurance agent, something about covered when hell freezes over”


41 posted on 08/13/2008 8:19:28 AM PDT by blackdog
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To: Bob J
"Firefighters go to the house to put out a fire and find a basement filled with all kinds of chemicals. If would be irresponsible for them not to respond and check it out."

And once they find out the owner is a chemist, they should shut up and drag their asses away. The "nanny state" is growing far past the point of ridiculousness.

42 posted on 08/13/2008 8:24:23 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Bob J

Pecisely why many subscribe to the “let it burn” way of thinking. If you live in many places, a fire or ambulance call is accompanied by a police officer/s and a complete look-see thru the dwelling. If they find guns, or items of “concern”, they seize them and will also take your kids if you get all constitutional on them.


43 posted on 08/13/2008 8:24:35 AM PDT by blackdog
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To: haroldeveryman
This “war” started in the 70’s when the highly successful space program was diminished in favor of the government social spending spree

helped by the UN space treaty that tied up US space exploration and redirected the money to build the 'international' space station so under-performing technologically primitive countries wouldn't feel 'left out'.
44 posted on 08/13/2008 8:25:54 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Bob J

And the knowledge of the average community firefighter is?........I bet they wouldn’t know a rotovapor flask from a stirring bar.


45 posted on 08/13/2008 8:26:50 AM PDT by blackdog
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To: blackdog

Time to exercise your civic duty and vote out the people in our local government.


46 posted on 08/13/2008 8:27:04 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: yankeedame

This is also about fire code safety as firmen must know about the chemicals in case they gotta put out a fire.


47 posted on 08/13/2008 8:32:10 AM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (1/27th Infantry Wolfhounds...cut in half during the Clinton years.)
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To: Bob J

That’s the nature of journalism; here today, gone tomorrow.


48 posted on 08/13/2008 8:34:31 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Thanks to Ms.Wilderman, the town council will now be adding to their municipal code that any chemistry or laboratory equipment shall be prohibited from residential dwellings.

In another fifty years the doctor treating your grandchildren will have graduated Magna Cum Laude from Walmart University. The doctor's total chemistry background will consist of his new employee orientation at Walmart, covering floor waxes and the difference between Asprin and suppositories

49 posted on 08/13/2008 8:35:23 AM PDT by blackdog
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To: massgopguy
What is “customary home occupation”. A Man and a Woman living together in Marriage perhaps?

< snurk>

Bleepin Massachusetts.

50 posted on 08/13/2008 8:35:44 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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