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China, not Americans, shows grace under pressure
The Monitor ^ | August 13, 2008 | AP

Posted on 08/13/2008 10:40:50 AM PDT by 2dogjoe

BEIJING (AP) -- Alicia Sacramone's foot slipped off the 4-inch-wide tightrope that is the balance beam, her body wobbling and shaking as she fought to stay upright. Another slip, this time in the floor exercise, sent her tumbling onto her back.

Mistakes of millimeters by the Americans made for just enough of an opening for the Chinese to slip through for the team gold medal in women's gymnastics Wednesday at the Beijing Olympics.

"I was surprised by the mistakes made by the U.S. team," conceded Cheng Fei, who has seen enough of the Americans the past four years to know they're made of pretty stern stuff.

Maybe too stern.

The Americans were plainly uptight, their faces scrubbed clean of emotion and looking very much like a team trying to hold on to something they didn't have instead of one gunning for gold. Their exuberance and personality - qualities just as vital as their somersaults and twists - were nowhere to be found while the Chinese let loose with abandon. They smiled. They giggled. They traded high-fives and even a chest bump.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2008olympics; americanpravda; antiamericanism; apbias; communismkills; olympics; teamusa

1 posted on 08/13/2008 10:40:51 AM PDT by 2dogjoe
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To: 2dogjoe

What’s that? AP(ropaganda) of Chinese supremacy?


2 posted on 08/13/2008 10:45:47 AM PDT by SolidWood (God Bless Georgia and grant them victory over Russia!)
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To: 2dogjoe

Of course who knows how things would have turned out had the Chinese not sent 12 year olds out there.


3 posted on 08/13/2008 10:47:28 AM PDT by nhoward14
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To: 2dogjoe
"They traded high-fives and even a chest bump"

What chests?

4 posted on 08/13/2008 10:48:44 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: 2dogjoe

“The Americans were plainly uptight....”

Obviously stressed from living a brutal life under the exploitative running dogs of capitalism.


“Their exuberance and personality - qualities just as vital as their somersaults and twists - were nowhere to be found while the Chinese let loose with abandon. They smiled. They giggled. They traded high-fives and even a chest bump.”

Due to the joys of the fresh lilac scents and butterflies-are-free fruits of the kind and benevolent communist system.


5 posted on 08/13/2008 10:50:03 AM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: SolidWood

This is why I think people should spend a few months outside the US. Then they would know that certain cultures (e.g. the Chinese, the Islamic, the Soviet) are not as pleasant and ‘nice’ as they are made to be. As many faults as the US may have, it is positively angelic when compared to virtually any other locus in the globe.


6 posted on 08/13/2008 10:50:29 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: 2dogjoe

Where’s the barf alert?

And yeah, American gymnasts will be worried when they’re competing against 12 year olds.


7 posted on 08/13/2008 10:53:39 AM PDT by wastedyears (Show me your precious darlings, and I will crush them all)
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To: wastedyears

Major Barf Alert!!!


8 posted on 08/13/2008 10:54:55 AM PDT by 2dogjoe (Have a Blessed Day)
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To: 2dogjoe

What a steaming load of nonsensical bullsh*t.


9 posted on 08/13/2008 10:57:23 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic ("And how can this be? For I am the Kwisatz Haderach! " - Barack Obama)
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To: EyeGuy

great post, thanks


10 posted on 08/13/2008 10:58:00 AM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: 2dogjoe

Pressure is an adult reaction and any grace under it is strictly an adult response. There was no pressure on the Chinese team because they are children.


11 posted on 08/13/2008 10:58:24 AM PDT by Varda
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To: 2dogjoe
The Chinese national gymnastics team members are taken at the age of 3 away from their parents and they are allowed to see their parents only one time a year. This left wing hateful lunatic who wrote this piece of crap should live in China and see how to be treated as a subhuman under an evil communist regime really means.
12 posted on 08/13/2008 10:59:03 AM PDT by jveritas (God Bless President Bush and our brave troops)
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To: 2dogjoe
The Americans were plainly uptight... while the Chinese let loose with abandon. They smiled. They giggled. They traded high-fives and even a chest bump.

The difference between VISITING a tyrannical police state when you live in the land of liberty and growing up IN that tyrannical communist nation.

13 posted on 08/13/2008 11:00:51 AM PDT by weegee (Hi there.)
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To: 2dogjoe

Liberals admire and crave oppression, which is why they love China.


14 posted on 08/13/2008 11:04:54 AM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: spetznaz
I was watching a period documentary on the Weather Underground (Bill Ayers and his fellow terrorists).

One woman in the terrorist cell mentioned how she travelled to Cuba in 1960 and saw a million Cubans celebrate the revolution in Havana. She then expressed some shock and regret when Castro paraded tanks and missiles in the street. But a fellow comrade told her that they needed those weapons because of the threat of American imperialism and she said that the Bay of Pigs invasion gave her support to that ideology. She brought up the whole incident because it helped shape her demented worldview that violence was okay and justifiable to use against the American government, industries, and police.

None are so blind as those who refuse to see. Red diaper doper babies are a threat to the society.

15 posted on 08/13/2008 11:05:50 AM PDT by weegee (Hi there.)
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To: 2dogjoe
Read this article and notice that one of the Chinese gymnastics team girls is listed as being 14 years old. Not 16.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/olympics/2008-05/23/content_6707927.htm

16 posted on 08/13/2008 11:06:20 AM PDT by ikka
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To: nhoward14

“Of course who knows how things would have turned out had the Chinese not sent 12 year olds out there.”

That’s about right.

These Chinese kids get the BEST meical care and nutrition. With this in mind, explain to me how come they don’t have all their ADULT teeth yet?

I was looking at the youngest looking girl and noticed space between her teeth on the side on the upper row. My NINE year old is at that stage for adult teeth. Size and frame indicate more of a 12 year old at BEST.


17 posted on 08/13/2008 11:07:17 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: 2dogjoe

I left comments and “The Monitor” stating that while the American gymnasts made some mistakes, it is fast becoming evident that the Chinese gymnasts may be ineligible to compete because of their age.


18 posted on 08/13/2008 11:20:40 AM PDT by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: 2dogjoe
China sux ! imho
19 posted on 08/13/2008 11:27:55 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona....)
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To: weegee

I have ALWAYS watched the Olympics but not this year. And just as you have said and others China does not treat it’s people right.Did you hear the news that “dog” was taken off the menus in restaurants? Besides Russia and China are too tight. Don’t trust either of them.


20 posted on 08/13/2008 11:38:09 AM PDT by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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To: 2dogjoe

It’s a communist regime. The end justifies the means. The Chinese female gymnasts were obviousl underage. Remember the Chinese women swimmers were winning all their competitions until they ( IOC )tightened up the doping agency. Where are they now?


21 posted on 08/13/2008 11:40:23 AM PDT by Timocrat
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To: spetznaz

I couldn’t agree more. The fact that we were not tough enough to beat another team and their cheating is a consideration. Americans are always held to a higher standard and we should not be ashamed of that. America is the gold standard whereas most of the world looks at cheating as socially acceptable. As I used to say while living in Europe for a few years, “the rest of the world looks up their nose at Americans”.


22 posted on 08/13/2008 11:44:03 AM PDT by caisson71 (Times change, values don't.)
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To: Varda

>>Pressure is an adult reaction and any grace under it is strictly an adult response. There was no pressure on the Chinese team because they are children.<<

Ding, ding, ding!!!!
We have a winner!!!!!

Spot on!


23 posted on 08/13/2008 11:47:28 AM PDT by netmilsmom (The Party of Darkness prefers to have the lights out. - Go Fierce 50!!!)
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To: nhoward14

Hey, some of them were 14, I think.


24 posted on 08/13/2008 11:49:17 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: swain_forkbeard

Still too young when the rules require them to be 16.


25 posted on 08/13/2008 11:55:18 AM PDT by nhoward14
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To: nhoward14

No matter how many gold medals the Red Chinese finagle out of this Olympics, the government of that country still sucks. Wait a minute, so does ours. D’Oh!.


26 posted on 08/13/2008 12:01:02 PM PDT by Sig Sauer P220
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To: illiac

Is there a minimum age to compete in the Olympics?


27 posted on 08/13/2008 12:03:58 PM PDT by TheBattman (Vote your conscience, or don't complain about RINOs!)
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To: 2dogjoe

“They traded high-fives and even a chest bump.”

Definitely a chest bump. No boobs to bump among that team.


28 posted on 08/13/2008 12:04:17 PM PDT by Will88 (.)
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To: 2dogjoe
The Chinese were ahead when they screwed up on the beams a bit. That gave us the opportunity to bounce back. When our first gymnast fell off the beam we immediately lost our chance to overtake them in that event. The rest of the girls did great.

In the floor exercise the girl who fell on the beam, fell again and it was over.

The Chinese knew they were in first and all they had to do was go through the motions and not get careless, which is what they did.

IMO sports writers are the epitomy of the person who has never accomplished anything in their lives but has a job criticizing those who put their face out there and themselves on the line for glory.

Sportswriters are just as big of scum as your typical journalist.

29 posted on 08/13/2008 12:08:22 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: TheBattman
Is there a minimum age to compete in the Olympics?

Don't know about all the sports, but for gymnastics, the competitionn age is 16.

30 posted on 08/13/2008 12:08:49 PM PDT by Lou L
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To: TheBattman

16


31 posted on 08/13/2008 12:14:48 PM PDT by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: TheBattman

I found my answer - since 1996, the IOC has had a rule that all gymnasts must be at least 16. OF course, that didn’t stop underage Chinese gymnasts from competing the last go-round (and even getting to keep their medals after admitting their age after the fact).

And here comes the 2008 Olympics - and again China uses underage gymnasts (proof from a Chinese source: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/olympics/2008-05/23/content_6707927.htm ).

Do rules mean anything or not? IF not, then quit testing for drugs and other methods of cheating... cheating is cheating.


32 posted on 08/13/2008 12:22:23 PM PDT by TheBattman (Vote your conscience, or don't complain about RINOs!)
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To: TheBattman
The IOC is corrupt. I remember when those Canadian pairs skaters were clearly robbed of the gold medal. As it turned out, a French judge had traded votes with a Russian judge.

Her punishment was to be suspended from judging competitions for a whole year.

She cost the Canuck pair $Millions in endorsements. She should have been fined, jailed, and banned for life.

33 posted on 08/13/2008 1:13:43 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: 2dogjoe

Predicatable FR responses. Had this article been about China’s poor sportsmanship, everyone here would have gotten on the band wagon. But since it’s about the poor attitude of the US team.....well, this article, surely must be propaganda.


34 posted on 08/13/2008 2:51:01 PM PDT by ponder life
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To: wastedyears

LOL, excactly, what in the heck does a 12 year old have to worry about?


35 posted on 08/13/2008 2:53:27 PM PDT by roses of sharon (SAVE YOUR GAS RECIEPTS, SEND TO PELOSI!)
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To: ponder life

What poor attitude of the US team?


36 posted on 08/13/2008 2:58:18 PM PDT by roses of sharon (SAVE YOUR GAS RECIEPTS, SEND TO PELOSI!)
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To: 2dogjoe

Why the invidious comparison? If one side’s nervous and the other one’s self-assured, it doesn’t have anything to do with sportsmanship or graciousness.


37 posted on 08/13/2008 2:58:36 PM PDT by x
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To: roses of sharon
What poor attitude of the US team?

I am commenting on the title of the article. What if the title had read:

"Americans, not China, shows grace under pressure"

The postings/responses would have been different.

38 posted on 08/13/2008 3:27:13 PM PDT by ponder life
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To: ponder life
LOL, well of course they would, most here actually WATCHED the competition last night.

Neither team showed a bad attitude or bad sportsmanship during the meet.

Other than the Chinese gov cheating on the girls ages, which is common for commies during the games for decades.

39 posted on 08/13/2008 3:35:39 PM PDT by roses of sharon (SAVE YOUR GAS RECIEPTS, SEND TO PELOSI!)
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To: roses of sharon
Neither team showed a bad attitude or bad sportsmanship during the meet.

I'll give you that, you watched and saw that NEITHER team showed a bad attitude. But what if, the title was reversed? Despite that, wouldn't people here jump on the bandwagon?

Other than the Chinese gov cheating on the girls ages, which is common for commies during the games for decades.

You just gave me an example.

40 posted on 08/13/2008 3:39:28 PM PDT by ponder life
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To: ponder life
I would imagine if the title were reversed and the “reporter” wrote that the Chinese girls were using bad sportsmanship, and none of us saw any examples of any, we would be slamming this article, and wondering if the reporter was crazy!

Anyway, what the Chinese government orders its children to do is not the fault of the child. These little 11 and 12 year olds have been practicing in a gymnastic factory since 3 years old, without even parents to comfort them. Their team is their family, their sport is their job. (as said in an interview last night with a Chinese athlete)

41 posted on 08/13/2008 3:50:02 PM PDT by roses of sharon (SAVE YOUR GAS RECIEPTS, SEND TO PELOSI!)
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To: roses of sharon
I would imagine if the title were reversed and the “reporter” wrote that the Chinese girls were using bad sportsmanship, and none of us saw any examples of any, we would be slamming this article, and wondering if the reporter was crazy!

That possibility does exist. But honestly, I doubt it. Just my experience here.

Anyway, what the Chinese government orders its children to do is not the fault of the child. These little 11 and 12 year olds have been practicing in a gymnastic factory since 3 years old, without even parents to comfort them. Their team is their family, their sport is their job. (as said in an interview last night with a Chinese athlete)

It is sad I must admit. Hopefully, someday, the government will get out of engineered sports and the private sector takes it on. Both financially by corporations and by individuals aspiring on their own.

42 posted on 08/13/2008 4:00:28 PM PDT by ponder life
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To: ponder life

Do you ever feel like a whore shilling for China like you do?


43 posted on 08/15/2008 2:44:34 AM PDT by jmc813 (Welcome to New York, Brett!)
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To: ponder life

Sorry for the tone of that last comment. Came after a long night of drinkin’.


44 posted on 08/15/2008 7:56:11 AM PDT by jmc813 (Welcome to New York, Brett!)
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To: jmc813
Sorry for the tone of that last comment. Came after a long night of drinkin’.

No problem. But inebriation does reveal how someone feels about something or someone :) Alcohol removes the inhibition.

45 posted on 08/15/2008 9:28:31 AM PDT by ponder life
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