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George Bush squares up to Vladimir Putin over Georgia
Times Online ^ | August 13, 2008 | Tom Baldwin

Posted on 08/13/2008 12:55:16 PM PDT by Schnucki

President Bush dispatched US military hardware to the heart of the Caucasus today and warned Russia that it could be frozen out of international bodies as punishment for its aggression in Georgia.

In his toughest criticism of Russia since becoming President, Mr Bush accused Moscow of breaching the provisional ceasefire agreed with Georgia just 24 hours earlier.

He cited intelligence showing that Russian troops had again taken the town of Gori and could now divide the country and threaten the capital Tbilisi. He insisted that Moscow respect the former Soviet republic’s territorial integrity.

There were also reports of Russian-backed militia in South Ossetia looting ethnic Georgian villages and killing their inhabitants.

“To begin to repair the damage to its relations with the United States, Europe and other nations, and to begin restoring its place in the world, Russia must keep its word and act to end this crisis,” Mr Bush said.

It is understood that talks are already taking place with US allies, including Britain, about whether to suspend Russia’s prized membership of the G8 club of industrialised nations. There is also a growing clamour to block Russia from becoming part of the World Trade Organisation and to rescind an invitation for it to join the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development.

Mr Bush’s statement, delivered in stern tones outside the White House, was a significantly stronger than that made last week, when his initially cautious comments reflected the State Department’s unhappiness with Georgia’s use of force against pro-Russian separatist rebels in South Ossetia.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Russia
KEYWORDS: bush; caucasus; ceasefire; geopolitics; georgia; russia; southossetia; usa; usmilitary
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U.S. troops to be deployed, airforce and navy on the way.

1 posted on 08/13/2008 12:55:16 PM PDT by Schnucki
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To: Schnucki; NormsRevenge; elhombrelibre; Allegra; SandRat; tobyhill; G8 Diplomat; Dog; Cap Huff; ...

Oh boy!


2 posted on 08/13/2008 1:14:56 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Schnucki
Many many people and things are already in Tbilisi, and much aid has already arrived there. Bush didn't waste any time.

Condi apparently tomorrow.

I had a wonderful phone call from my friend in Tbilisi just a few minutes ago and she asked me to say this to all Americans - Thank you, thank you, thank you!!

3 posted on 08/13/2008 1:15:52 PM PDT by MarMema (Tavisuplebas dideba!)
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To: Schnucki; Jeff Head

By the way I know some things about who and what was in Tbilisi when the Russians were bombing the rest of Georgia.
And you betcha the Russians were never going to bomb Tbilisi.


4 posted on 08/13/2008 1:18:04 PM PDT by MarMema (Tavisuplebas dideba!)
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To: Schnucki
President Bush and Putin at Olympics.

Bush and Putin

5 posted on 08/13/2008 1:19:21 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: Schnucki

This is why the leader of the free world absolutely has to have both brains and grit; spine tingling oratory skills are not a suitable substitute!


6 posted on 08/13/2008 1:25:38 PM PDT by Spok (Whatever you say about McCain, it must be admitted that he's no B. Hussein Obama.)
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To: Spok

Dont you mean Leg Tingling?


7 posted on 08/13/2008 1:26:27 PM PDT by GauchoUSA
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To: MarMema

Me, too - and I agree. This may get very interesting.

Colonel, USAFR


8 posted on 08/13/2008 1:32:03 PM PDT by jagusafr ("Bugs, Mr. Rico! Zillions of 'em!" - Robert Heinlein)
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To: jagusafr
Yes, let's keep in touch. My friend works at the Sheraton and knew who the guests were. She said it was full during the bombing. It is huge, I have stayed there.

She is going to call me back in a few days.

9 posted on 08/13/2008 1:35:15 PM PDT by MarMema (Tavisuplebas dideba!)
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To: jazusamo
The picture is telling. Bush appears intense, even angry. Putin appears defensive and wrongfotted.

Now picture the same situation with Obama replacing Bush.

I saw the start of this confrontation on TV....Bush sought Putin out like a Stinger missile...Putin was trying to avoid him.

10 posted on 08/13/2008 1:35:37 PM PDT by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out O)
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To: jazusamo

Great catch on the pic, “The Look” only a Texan knows how to do that.


11 posted on 08/13/2008 1:35:56 PM PDT by eastforker (Get-R-Done and then Bring-Em- Home)
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To: HardStarboard; eastforker

I saw that a few days ago and couldn’t pass it up, all I could think of was intense.


12 posted on 08/13/2008 1:38:38 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: All
Video of Russian Forces:

• Russian forces in Gori

13 posted on 08/13/2008 1:38:55 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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US plans aid to Georgia as Russia rolls into city

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Aug 13, 3:22 PM (ET)

By CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA and MATTI FRIEDMAN

OUTSIDE GORI, Georgia (AP) - Russian troops and paramilitaries rolled into the strategic Georgian city of Gori on Wednesday, apparently violating a truce designed to end the conflict that has uprooted tens of thousands and scarred the Georgian landscape.

In Washington, President Bush said the United States planned a massive humanitarian effort involving American ships and aircraft, includiung a C-17 military cargo plane loaded with supplies that landed on Wednesday.

He said Russia must ensure that "all lines of communication and transport, including seaports, roads and airports," remain open to let deliveries and civilians through.

Georgian officials said Gori, a central hub on Georgia's main east-west highway, was looted and bombed by the Russians before they left later in the day and camped nearby.

(AP) Russian soldiers are seen atop a military vehicle outside Gori, Georgia, Wednesday, Aug. 13, 2008....
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Moscow denied the accusations, but it appeared to be on a technicality: a BBC reporter in Gori reported that Russians tanks were in the streets as their South Ossetian separatist allies seized Georgian cars, looted Georgian homes and then set some homes ablaze.

"Russia has treacherously broken its word," Georgia's Security Council chief Alexander Lomaia said Wednesday in Tbilisi, the capital.

An AP reporter saw dozens of trucks and armored vehicles leaving Gori, roaring southeast. Soldiers waved at journalists and one soldier jokingly shouted to a photographer: "Come with us, beauty, we're going to Tbilisi!"

14 posted on 08/13/2008 1:46:46 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: MarMema

ok.. now you got me wondering. What was in Tbilisi?


15 posted on 08/13/2008 1:47:43 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Schnucki; Ernest_at_the_Beach

Prayers up for our brave troops and for the freedom-loving people of Georgia.


16 posted on 08/13/2008 1:48:30 PM PDT by Allegra (Goodness me, goodness me, industrial disease...)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Moscow denied the accusations, but it appeared to be on a technicality: a BBC reporter in Gori reported that Russians tanks were in the streets as their South Ossetian separatist allies seized Georgian cars, looted Georgian homes and then set some homes ablaze.

Not for long. I understand OUR military is heading for Gori or even there now.

17 posted on 08/13/2008 1:53:30 PM PDT by MarMema (Tavisuplebas dideba!)
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To: MarMema
From the article:

President Bush dispatched US military hardware to the heart of the Caucasus today

Course that is C-17s with Humanitarian Aid......

18 posted on 08/13/2008 2:01:51 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Schnucki

Squaring up is one thing. But what is needed is a good poke in the nose.


19 posted on 08/13/2008 2:08:12 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: MarMema
"Not for long. I understand OUR military is heading for Gori or even there now.

But Gori is full of Russians! That would be a huge battle.

20 posted on 08/13/2008 2:08:44 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: eastforker
Yep! That's one of those “how bout I introduce you to Tony Llama” looks.
21 posted on 08/13/2008 2:09:48 PM PDT by dusttoyou
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To: Steve Van Doorn

Not for long.


22 posted on 08/13/2008 2:17:50 PM PDT by MarMema (Tavisuplebas dideba!)
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To: GauchoUSA; Spok
It would be helpful if the person rendering said “spine tingling” rhetoric did, indeed, have a spine of his own. He seems perfectly comfortable assuming the “jellyfish” position—leg tingling rhetoric or not.
23 posted on 08/13/2008 2:24:47 PM PDT by singfreedom (Obama's solution to the energy crisis: check the air in your tires! Why didn't we think of that?)
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To: HardStarboard
I think you are absolutely. I noticed that little scenario as well. Our Prez did not look happy-—at all! Putin looked almost as if he wanted to backpedal and put some distance between them.
24 posted on 08/13/2008 2:30:35 PM PDT by singfreedom (Obama's solution to the energy crisis: check the air in your tires! Why didn't we think of that?)
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To: Steve Van Doorn
What was in Tbilisi?

Do you think the US would have just sat back while those 5 Presidents flew into an active war zone with no protection ? I do not think we would.

25 posted on 08/13/2008 2:36:29 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Sorry, Ern, I can't watch those videos. I guess I must have been at a particularly impressionable age, but the new pics and vids bring back horrible memories of the USSR’s absolute annihilation of Hungary.
26 posted on 08/13/2008 2:38:37 PM PDT by singfreedom (Obama's solution to the energy crisis: check the air in your tires! Why didn't we think of that?)
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To: Steve Van Doorn
"A U.S. C-17 aircraft with humanitarian supplies is on its way. And in the days ahead, we will use U.S. aircraft, as well as naval forces, to deliver humanitarian and medical supplies. We expect Russia to honor its commitment to let in all forms of humanitarian assistance. We expect Russia to ensure that all lines of communication and transport, including seaports, airports, roads, and airspace, remain open for the delivery of humanitarian assistance and for civilian transit.

We expect Russia to meet its commitment to cease all military activities in Georgia, and we expect all Russian forces that entered Georgia in recent days to withdraw from that country."

President Bush, today.

27 posted on 08/13/2008 2:43:43 PM PDT by MarMema (Tavisuplebas dideba!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I guess Russia has finally started paying their soldiers.

Thanks for the PING!, Ernest.


28 posted on 08/13/2008 2:49:28 PM PDT by singfreedom (Obama's solution to the energy crisis: check the air in your tires! Why didn't we think of that?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Course that is C-17s with Humanitarian Aid.

That's right. Just a bunch of tents and things. Nothing more.

29 posted on 08/13/2008 2:59:45 PM PDT by MarMema (Tavisuplebas dideba!)
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To: Schnucki

Obama says to hell with Georgia (ò¿ó)

chicken and waffles for everyone!


30 posted on 08/13/2008 3:11:19 PM PDT by Dandydoodley (Military Family War Hero or a Muslim Trick Baby? that's a no brainier fool)
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To: singfreedom
I guess Russia has finally started paying their soldiers.

Yeah, they get paid all they can carry out of sacked Georgian cities.

31 posted on 08/13/2008 3:16:16 PM PDT by Teflonic
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To: Schnucki

Again more media gibberish. The military is on a humanitarian mission. Not a single piece of U.S. military hardware is flowing into Georgia.


32 posted on 08/13/2008 3:16:27 PM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: jazusamo

This is what double agents do Mr. President. Lull you in and then betray you when weakest. President Bush Sr. will have much useful advice I am sure on intelligence operatives on the ground to counter and reveal moles in our government, that have been operating there for years. They must go first.


33 posted on 08/13/2008 3:18:22 PM PDT by iThinkBig
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Putin is about to get a Tony Lama up tween the ears. Never trust a KGB officer.

Pray for W and Our Troops


34 posted on 08/13/2008 3:21:13 PM PDT by bray (Drill Congress!!)
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To: MarMema

And you betcha the Russians were never going to bomb Tbilisi.

Can you please PM me re:why?
This sitrep has me very concerned.

Thank you,
Del


35 posted on 08/13/2008 3:42:31 PM PDT by Delmarksman (Pro 2A Anglican American (Ford and Chevy kill more people than guns do, lets ban them))
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To: GauchoUSA

‘...Dont you mean Leg Tingling?...’

That ‘tingle’ was eventually identified as a bladder control problem.


36 posted on 08/13/2008 4:02:16 PM PDT by Islander7 ("Show me an honest politician and I will show you a case of mistaken identity.")
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To: jazusamo

Okay, caption that photo! First time I ever saw a picture of the President and I was afraid. I bet the twins know that look. And Putin doesn’t have his chin stuck out in defiance, does he? Who is the other guy in between?


37 posted on 08/13/2008 4:30:33 PM PDT by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: MarMema

Specialist prayers for the guys we love who always go in first.


38 posted on 08/13/2008 4:32:18 PM PDT by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: huldah1776
Who is the other guy in between?

I believe he is Putin's translator. Russian to broken English (kidding)...

39 posted on 08/13/2008 4:36:40 PM PDT by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: HardStarboard

Yes, I saw that too. Bush was taking Putin to the woodshed. Of course, the dopey announcers were joking that they were discussing the costumes of the athletes or something stupid. I can’t believe the announcers didn’t know that Georgia was under attack. They weren’t shy about discussing every political challenge each nation was facing as its athletes marched in.


40 posted on 08/13/2008 4:41:55 PM PDT by rabidralph (Watch out for the Obamakazis.)
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To: rabidralph

bttt


41 posted on 08/13/2008 4:48:22 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (Obama is the Democrats guy. They bought the ticket, now they must take the ride.)
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To: Tommyjo
Again more media gibberish. The military is on a humanitarian mission. Not a single piece of U.S. military hardware is flowing into Georgia.

Um, (((cough))), exactly...

42 posted on 08/13/2008 5:08:05 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: huldah1776

Yes, I’ve never seen that look from him before but I’m impressed with it.

Don’t know who the other is, I found this pic on the net in one of the Georgia articles from the msm.


43 posted on 08/13/2008 5:12:46 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: huldah1776
"..deaths of many there. Russian “peace keeping forces” have nobly carried out their duty to protect Russians against a regime accused of ethnic cleansing, the television and radio are saying. It is the old language of Russian patriotic propaganda, used over Chechnya and, before that, Afghanistan.." http://timescorrespondents.typepad.com/charles_bremner/2008/08/russia-is-bac-1.html

Well isn't this a replay of Clinton/Albright/EU/NATO when they bombed Yugoslavia? The lie and pretext being "ethnic cleansing, genocide, etc." Even though Russia didn't need a lessen in propaganda, as Putin was trained and practiced with the best of the Soviet era propagandists, the irony would be amusing if it weren't so pathetic. The false claims of genocide and ethnic cleansing created the perfect pretext for Putin. He's playing according to the rules set down by the West. The only one-upmanship the West have on him though, is that the press bought the false stories of Milosevic and the former Yugoslavia, hook, line and sinker. So those stories will maintain the supposed integrity and righteousness of the bombing of a sovereign country now reduced to the Republic of Serbia minus the latest piece of it Kosovo.

Only problem for Putin of course, is that while Clinton and his cabal were able to hoodwink almost everybody, very few people believe anything Putin says. But he is trying to play by their rules though.

44 posted on 08/13/2008 5:14:07 PM PDT by Lent
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To: HardStarboard

“The picture is telling. Bush appears intense, even angry. Putin appears defensive...”

I agree. GWB looks really annoyed with KGB.


45 posted on 08/13/2008 5:26:02 PM PDT by Canedawg
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To: jazusamo; eastforker

Pres Bush: "I got my contacts in now, Pootie, and I see you for what you really are: a fish–kissing, stalin wannabe.

You best get your looting troops out of Georgia asap, before I unleash some whoop–ass on you!"

46 posted on 08/13/2008 5:30:12 PM PDT by Yehuda ("Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!" (Choke on it, pinkos; Waterboarding Jihadists Works!))
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To: jazusamo

Right after 911, oh yeah, he had lots of looks better than this one.


47 posted on 08/13/2008 5:37:25 PM PDT by eastforker (Get-R-Done and then Bring-Em- Home)
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To: eastforker

You are correct, he did have some better ones after 9/11.


48 posted on 08/13/2008 5:45:55 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: Yehuda

For some reason I’m reminded of the scene in “Patton “ where he’s at a party at the end of the war with his staff and I’m guessing his Russian counter part with his staff and interpreter.

Int. “the General would like to make a toast”
Patton. “Tell the General I do not wish to drink with him,...or any other Russian Sonuvabitch.”
Int. “ but...sir i cannot tell the General that!”
Patton. “You tell him...word for word.”

Interpreter tells him...words exchanged...looks back at Patton.

Int. “ The General says he thinks you are a sonuvabitch too.”

Patton. (smiles) “ O.K....one sonuvabitch to another”

As they drink Patton has the look that says...I’ll be seeing you again...another day...another place.


49 posted on 08/13/2008 5:49:59 PM PDT by Ramzi Al Kaboom ("An opinion can be argued with...a conviction is best shot"..T. E. Lawrence)
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To: Schnucki

Good move. Lets Russia keep face, gives our ally aid, and doesn’t commit us to anything.


50 posted on 08/13/2008 6:08:32 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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