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How much time have Obama's children spent with his grandmother?
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Posted on 08/13/2008 7:20:15 PM PDT by airedale

On the news today I heard that Obama spent an hour alone with his grandmother at her place while the family was elsewhere. I know how much time my child spent with her grandparents who lived half way across the country when she was growing up (a lot. She spent summers with them for many years so she'd know them). The story got me wondering just how much time his kids have spent with his grandmother over the past years and of course by the end of this vacation. If they haven't spent much time with her you have to wonder why and her living in Hawaii at their income level isn't a good answer.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Hawaii; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 2008; dunham; grandmother; obama; obamafamily

1 posted on 08/13/2008 7:20:15 PM PDT by airedale
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To: airedale

Perhaps Michelle does not get along with Mee Maw


2 posted on 08/13/2008 7:23:29 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 ('GOP' : Get Our Petroleum)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Maybe Michelle’s family don’t want them getting to know a “whitey”, even if she is their grandmother.


3 posted on 08/13/2008 7:26:34 PM PDT by SatinDoll (Desperately desiring a conservative government.)
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To: airedale

Don’t try to inject traditional family values on a democrap.


4 posted on 08/13/2008 7:26:35 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican because no Conservatives were running.)
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To: TornadoAlley3
Mee Maw is a typical white woman. And don't forget it!
5 posted on 08/13/2008 7:26:47 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (I am still bitter.)
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To: airedale

Having children spend time with their grandparents is one of the most important gifts you can give to them (and to the grandparents.)


6 posted on 08/13/2008 7:27:12 PM PDT by Stephanie32
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To: airedale

Limits contamination?


7 posted on 08/13/2008 7:28:38 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: airedale

Hussein would not want his children to have to endure being in the same house with a white woman any more than the absolute minimum.


8 posted on 08/13/2008 7:29:08 PM PDT by arthurus
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To: airedale
I was privileged to know my great-grandmother.

She lived to be a very elderly lady. Her father was a Civil War veteran - a Confederate captain of artillery. My great-grandfather died very young, but his father was also a Civil War veteran - a private in the Partisan Rangers. So I heard Civil War stories at only second-hand - how cool is THAT?

9 posted on 08/13/2008 7:30:53 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

“how cool is that”

That is awesome.


10 posted on 08/13/2008 7:34:38 PM PDT by Stephanie32
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To: AnAmericanMother

Obama had to meet with his grandmother alone — he couldn’t risk having witnesses listening while he and Grandma got their birth certificate stories straight.


11 posted on 08/13/2008 7:34:57 PM PDT by atomicweeder
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To: airedale

He hasn’t seen her in 18 months and he spends an hour with her? Wow, that was very munificent of him.


12 posted on 08/13/2008 7:35:46 PM PDT by mass55th
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To: Stephanie32
"Having children spend time with their grandparents is one of the most important gifts you can give to them (and to the grandparents.)"

You're absolutely right. I was born in 1947, the last of four children. I never got to know any of my grandparents because they were all dead by the time I was born. Growing up on a street where many of our friends had their grandparents either living in the same house or next door, I always felt as if I had missed out on a very important part of life because I didn't have any grandparents like the other kids. I'm glad that at least my two sons had the benefit of knowing their grandparents before they passed.

13 posted on 08/13/2008 7:41:36 PM PDT by mass55th
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To: AnAmericanMother

That is very cool! Do you have the stories written down someplace?


14 posted on 08/13/2008 7:42:02 PM PDT by repubmom (Proud Army Mom of two soldiers - both home safely for now...Psalm 91)
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To: airedale

It would be very weird (but not surprising) if the Obamas vacation in Hawaii and great-granny does not get to spend time with the kids every day!! If this story that “Obama spent an hour alone with his granny”) suggests that this is close to the extent of contact this week between white granny and her grandson’s family, well that would just be weird and disturbing. Might suggest that there is no relationship with the kids or Michelle, and that the main reason he is there is to go over or straighten out some of the cover stories about his identity and upbringing.

I never knew my great-grandparents (alas, even two of my grand-parents died before I was born) but it would be appalling to have the opportunity to know such a member of the family and the kids don’t get the chance or take the chance......


15 posted on 08/13/2008 7:42:47 PM PDT by Enchante (If oil was botox then Nancy Pelosi would have us drilling everywhere!!! (hat tip, STARWISE))
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To: repubmom

Of course! Wrote my thesis on their letters (and included a lot of the word of mouth stuff too because my great-aunt wrote Nannie’s stories down), and the letters themselves have been donated to a local university library.


16 posted on 08/13/2008 7:45:08 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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Why would Obama’s kids want to spend time with their great grandmother? She is, after all, just a “typical white person.” And the kids were taught to hate such people by Mommy and Rev. Wright.


17 posted on 08/13/2008 7:45:13 PM PDT by Godwin1
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To: airedale

His grandmother is 85 and reportedly ill. She lives with his sister.
In all fairness, she may have dementia or something.
There’s plenty more to beat Obama up on besides this.


18 posted on 08/13/2008 7:48:28 PM PDT by Chucky is a girlie man
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To: airedale
My kids have spent very little time with their grandmother in NY. And I would like to keep it that way. LOL!

Ahhh, my mother in law...

19 posted on 08/13/2008 7:53:07 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: mass55th
I never got to know any of my grandparents because they were all dead by the time I was born.

Similar here being the youngest child.

I only knew one of my grandmothers, and she was pretty old and feeble before I became old enough to have a good conversation with her.

But with my grandkids, I make a strong point of being there for them and passing that intergenerational knowledge (and love) on.

Grandparents are (or should be) very important people for kids. One of the big problems with todays mobile society is far too often, kids and grandparents are hundreds of miles apart. They really don't have the opportunity to get to know each other. I am blessed in that mine are only a few miles away and I get to see them most every day.

20 posted on 08/13/2008 7:53:17 PM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: SatinDoll
Maybe Michelle’s family don’t want them getting to know a “whitey”, even if she is their grandmother.

Well, they are half way there with dad.

21 posted on 08/13/2008 7:56:04 PM PDT by depressed in 06 (Bolshecrat, where patriotism is replacing the stars in the flag with hammers and sickles.)
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To: mass55th

“I’m glad that at least my two sons had the benefit of knowing their grandparents before they passed.”

I know what you mean. Besides a parent’s love, there is no love greater than that of a grandparent for a child. My parents were both the youngest of many children and by the time I came along I only had one grandmother left. She lived far away but I got to see her occasionally and I miss that too.


22 posted on 08/13/2008 7:57:32 PM PDT by Stephanie32
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To: Chucky is a girlie man

Agreed.


23 posted on 08/13/2008 8:00:35 PM PDT by skr (I serve a risen Savior!)
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To: AnAmericanMother

That is awesome.

FWIW - I found out a few months ago that my great grandfather may have fought in the Civil War. He was born in 1836...he was 50 when he had my grandfather, who was 37 when he had my Dad, who was 35 when he had me. My daughter was born when I was 40, so I’m continuing the old age reproduction strategy! But it was a bit odd to realize only 4 generations cover from 1836 until the present...

Also - my adopted kids (they are older) visited my Mom regularly any time they came to town - usually within a day, and at their own asking. My youngest daughter saw her 3-4 times a week. She died last fall at 85. She had dementia, but she was happy when her grandkids were there - even if she didn’t remember their visit the next day. I have no respect for someone who wouldn’t take his kids to see the woman who raised him and sacrificed to give him the opportunities he has had.


24 posted on 08/13/2008 8:09:14 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Old, pale and stale - McCain in 2008! but we're only one vote away from losing the 2nd amendment...)
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To: airedale

Time?

Only enough time for her to try to crawl from under the bus,

With the real birth certificate clutched in her bloody hands;

While Obamarama sees her possible freedom, and begins to back up the bus!

Beep! Beep! Beep! Beep!


25 posted on 08/13/2008 8:09:54 PM PDT by aShepard (Loose lips Sink ships)
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To: Chucky is a girlie man
There’s plenty more to beat Obama up on besides this.

That was my thought as well. The world is going to hell in a hand basket and we're talking about Barry's grandma. jeez, folks.

That said, I thought Don’t try to inject traditional family values on a democrap was pretty funny.

26 posted on 08/13/2008 8:12:10 PM PDT by radiohead (Please donate to the flooded libraries in Iowa.)
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To: Mr Rogers

Interesting family history very similar to mine. In every instance for about 5 generations, I am descended from the youngest child. It really stretches things out.


27 posted on 08/13/2008 8:14:19 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Godwin1
The sordid reality is that the Obama kids know plenty about a nasty black racist like Jeremiah Wright, but know absolutely nothing about their own grandmother.

Shows us how sick Michelle and Barack really are.

28 posted on 08/13/2008 8:21:34 PM PDT by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them.)
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To: Godwin1
Why would Obama’s kids want to spend time with their great grandmother? She is, after all, just a “typical white person.” And the kids were taught to hate such people by Mommy and Rev. Wright.

Yeah, I'm afraid something like this could happen. They seem to be sweet kids -- but anyone who would've spent their entire lives spending Sundays listening to 'hate whitey' 'sermons' is going to have some of that disease rub off on them. Hopefully no irreparable damage...

29 posted on 08/13/2008 8:36:46 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: airedale

She’s probably too busy clinging to her guns and religion to have much time for grand younguns.


30 posted on 08/13/2008 8:39:28 PM PDT by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: Stephanie32

I know. That’s why our daughter spent so much time with both sets of grandparents. She got to see them on good days and bad and got to know them as people not just someone special that blew in from out of town spoiled her and then disappeared. She’s deeply connected to both sets of grandparents. The stories and lessons they taught her are very important to her and to her character.


31 posted on 08/13/2008 8:48:23 PM PDT by airedale ( XZ)
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To: Chucky is a girlie man

Yes she may be ill and who knows about dementia. There has never been a report about that. If my mother had dementia (she’s 93)I’d still want my daughter to see her and spend time with her unless she was very violent (physically or verbally because of the dementia). If she were just ill then I’d certainly want the kids to see her and I know my daughter would have wanted to see her grandmother. I also know my mother would want to see her granddaughter. When my grandmother was dying she held on long enough for us to get to Michigan from California so she could see her great granddaughter one more time. It was very special for both of them.

The question is do they have a relationship? I don’t know if they have a relationship with Michelle’s parents either. The same question applies. If they do what kind and if they don’t why not?


32 posted on 08/13/2008 8:56:02 PM PDT by airedale ( XZ)
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To: airedale

“She’s deeply connected to both sets of grandparents. The stories and lessons they taught her are very important to her and to her character.”

That is wonderful. They learn so much from the life experience of the grandparents and to learn it with so much love attached is a gift beyond compare.


33 posted on 08/13/2008 9:07:35 PM PDT by Stephanie32
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To: AnAmericanMother

My mother lived with me until she died last year at the ripe old age of 93½. My grandkids live down from the block from me and were at my house almost daily. I delighted in watching the interaction between them and it was beneficial to all.


34 posted on 08/13/2008 9:08:55 PM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
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To: airedale
How much time have Obama's children spent with his grandmother?

Enough to know she is a typical white person........

35 posted on 08/13/2008 9:50:35 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: Chucky is a girlie man

According to AP she has osteoporosis which prevents her from traveling that however doesn’t affect her ability to deal with well behaved loving great grandchildren.


36 posted on 08/13/2008 10:51:15 PM PDT by airedale ( XZ)
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To: mass55th

I do need to make a correction the AP says he spent 2 hours with his grandmother.


37 posted on 08/13/2008 10:52:13 PM PDT by airedale ( XZ)
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To: airedale
"I do need to make a correction the AP says he spent 2 hours with his grandmother."

And based on Obama's poor speech patterns, I figure the poor old lady probably fell asleep shortly after he arrived.

38 posted on 08/13/2008 11:07:58 PM PDT by mass55th
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To: Chucky is a girlie man

Nice post. Grandmother might not be up to spending a lot of time with the girls.


39 posted on 08/13/2008 11:28:10 PM PDT by cajungirl
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To: mass55th
And based on Obama's poor speech patterns, I figure the poor old lady probably fell asleep shortly after he arrived.

LOL. Now that's funny!

40 posted on 08/13/2008 11:32:43 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Alice in Wonderland
It's a wonderful experience. I'm glad your grandchildren had that opportunity - extended family makes you feel grounded.

Even as a young child (Nannie died when I was 8) I knew I was in the presence of somebody special. She was a great beauty as a young woman, a classic old-style Southern Belle (the nice, queenly kind, not the Mean Girl), and she could tell a story.

41 posted on 08/14/2008 4:45:30 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Mr Rogers
Here's one possible way to confirm if your g-grandfather was in the Civil War (on either side): Civil War Soldiers and Sailors System.

The records are not complete so not getting a hit doesn't mean he wasn't in (a lot of stuff like muster rolls and what not simply got lost before anybody thought it was important enough to keep). But there's a good chance there's something in the database. I found a bunch of ancestors, cousins, neighbors, friends, what-not.

42 posted on 08/14/2008 4:52:08 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Ditter; Mr Rogers
Generation stretch makes word-of-mouth genealogy VERY difficult.

Had a lot of trouble on my mom's side because they tended to have children late. My great-aunt (my maternal grandfather's sister) didn't even know the name of her maternal grandfather, because their mother was the youngest of 9 children, and suffered from classic Alzheimer's (early onset of dementia, in her 50s) so she couldn't tell them a thing about the family.

To further complicate matters, the family was from South Carolina, which didn't keep official birth or marriage records until after WWII (that's not a typo - marriage licenses were introduced in 1948, I think). But I was able to go through newspaper announcements, land records and U.S. Census handwritten returns and figure out his name, where he was born, his wife's name, and the names of all his children. People think that genealogy is sort of a silly hobby, but it was all worth while when I saw my great-aunt's eyes light up. She was SO pleased that she finally knew her grandfather's name.

43 posted on 08/14/2008 4:58:25 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: repubmom
Do you have the stories written down someplace?

Mr. RightField and I -- now that we are in retirement -- have started writing down stories from our family histories. One of his great grandfathers was a slave in Mississippi who ran away to fight for the Union, changed his last name to avoid being sent back to the plantation in case he was caught by the Confederates. After the Civil War was over, he had some problems in claiming his pension because of the name change. We have the paperwork documenting how he eventually got his pension. And when his old plantation was broken up into smaller plots after the war, he got 160 acres of it free and clear, from his former owner's brother. Fascinating stuff.

I was privileged to know four of my great grandparents ... all of them were born in the 1870's. One great grandfather knew Orville and Wilbur Wright. He died at the age of 104. He was fond of saying, "I saw the first airplane fly and I saw the first man on the moon. Guess there's isn't much more to see in the way of progress." He'd be fascinated with the world today, and definitely an oldster who would take to computers and cell phones without a stumble.

We raised our own kids far away from their grandparents, but we took every opportunity we had to visit and have lots of contact with the grands. I heard once that the reason grandparents and grandchildren generally have good relationships is that they have a common enemy. LOL

44 posted on 08/14/2008 5:01:41 AM PDT by RightField (The older you get .... the older "old" is.)
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To: RightField

That is wonderful to get those stories written down. My grandmother spent a lot of time getting stories written down. My grandfather’s grandmother crossed the prairie in a covered wagon...she had written down some stories as well. It’s important to remember where we came from.


45 posted on 08/14/2008 7:10:23 AM PDT by repubmom (Proud Army Mom of two soldiers - both home safely for now...Psalm 91)
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To: airedale

With all due respect, have you ever been around a loved one with dementia? They often cannot remember who you are, even if they raised you...and you just reminded them who you were two minutes ago.
When my grandfather had Alzheimer’s, he thought he was a 22 year old sailor in the navy, and that my grandmother was his grandmother. He used to flirt with the nurses and staff in the hospital right in front of her. Our kids in elementary school. I saw no need to expose them to that.


46 posted on 08/14/2008 7:18:19 AM PDT by Chucky is a girlie man
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To: Chucky is a girlie man

Osteoporosis isn’t dementia and that’s what the media reports his grandmother has and why she doesn’t travel.

And the answer to your question is yes. My wife runs a senior center with an Alzheimer Day Care facility and we’ve known people who have suffered with it. As for exposing kids to someone who has it depends on the form the dementia takes. One of our friends as he got worse became violent and then the answer is no. The case you describe I probably would especially if they were old enough as Obama’s kids are to understand what’s going on. It’s not fun and it’s tough on loved ones, but then again the same can be said about cancer, MS, etc.


47 posted on 08/14/2008 8:14:10 AM PDT by airedale ( XZ)
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To: airedale
If my mother had dementia (she’s 93)I’d still want my daughter to see her and spend time with her unless she was very violent (physically or verbally because of the dementia).

Agreed.

And I 've been thinking that as well, that it's a lot easier to assume a woman in her 90s may be ailing than to create complicated scenarios just to find one more thing not to like about Obama. Like many others on this thread, I find politics and beliefs to be plenty to judge.

And if she is ailing, this may be a time when I, gulp, might do the same thing (double gulp).

I'd want my children to spend time with her, but not wear her out. An hour or so is about the right amount of time before you start having young children having problems with sitting in a room with someone with dementia. And I know when I brought young children to spend time with my NON-demented aunt who was in her late-90s, an hour was about as long as she could muster the energy to interact with children in a way she liked. After that, she just needed to nap!

48 posted on 08/15/2008 11:34:30 AM PDT by libravoter (Live from the People's Republic of Cambridge)
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