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UK history list leaves out Winston Churchill
Times of India ^ | 12 Aug 2008, 0023 hrs IST

Posted on 08/13/2008 8:34:38 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin

LONDON: It seems that new history has completely forgotten one of Britain's tallest leaders — Winston Churchill.

The wartime PM, who led Britain to victory in the World War II, failed to secure a place on the list of the most important people and events in UK history. In fact, Queen Victoria, Florence Nightingale, Captain Cook and Sir Walter Raleigh also couldn't get into the "British" list — though the Beatles found a place, the Sun reported.

A team of scholars working for the History Channel has compiled the comprehensive list for a television series.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: history; ignorant; topten; winstonchurchill

1 posted on 08/13/2008 8:34:38 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin
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To: DeaconBenjamin

“Team of scholars” — well you got your problem right there.


2 posted on 08/13/2008 8:37:31 PM PDT by bajabaja
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Gotta be Scrappleface, right??


3 posted on 08/13/2008 8:37:34 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: bajabaja

This is also part of the problem:

“working for the History Channel”


4 posted on 08/13/2008 8:38:41 PM PDT by weegee (Hi there.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
"A team of scholars "

Code for "over-educated morons"

5 posted on 08/13/2008 8:38:51 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Islam: Imagine a clown car.........with guns.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

“Captain Cook” over Winston Churchill...

Where exactly did these ‘scholars’ get their accreditation?


6 posted on 08/13/2008 8:42:11 PM PDT by max americana
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To: Psycho_Bunny

“A team of scholars “

‘Code for “over-educated morons”’

Precisely!


7 posted on 08/13/2008 8:44:50 PM PDT by devere
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To: max americana
> “Captain Cook” over Winston Churchill... Where exactly did these ‘scholars’ get their accreditation?

No, they said Cook didn't make the cut either.

This list is an atrocity, regardless.

8 posted on 08/13/2008 8:45:52 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: bajabaja
“Team of scholars”

Bunch of Piled Higher and Deepers!

9 posted on 08/13/2008 8:46:01 PM PDT by DeFault User
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To: max americana
here exactly did these ‘scholars’ get their accreditation?

No doubt they obtained honorary accreditation from one another.

10 posted on 08/13/2008 8:46:01 PM PDT by highlander_UW (illegal alien is to an undocumented worker as a drug dealer is to an unlicensed pharmacist)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Stick a fork in Old Blighty - She’s done.

I wonder how many Imams and muzzie terrorists made the list.
Churchhill’s frank observations about Islam might be the reason he was kept off the list:

WINSTON CHURCHILL ON ISLAM (1899)

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!
Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.
The effects are apparent in many countries.
Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.
The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.
No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.
Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.
It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.”

— Sir Winston Churchill (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).


11 posted on 08/13/2008 8:49:08 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
And I thought our education system was ****ed!
12 posted on 08/13/2008 8:51:50 PM PDT by chaos_5 (Nancy "Mad Cow" Pelosi, call the House back into session!)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Who is on the list?


13 posted on 08/13/2008 9:00:35 PM PDT by stevem
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To: DeaconBenjamin

“comprehensive list” should be in scare quotes. For that matter, so should be “scholars.”


14 posted on 08/13/2008 9:04:32 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (College kid: "Do you have a minute for Obama?" NVA: "Not now or ever.")
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Since many people would list Churchill as the greatest man of the 20th century, one could only suppose the ones who made that list were total idiots or had some agenda. Probably the second.


15 posted on 08/13/2008 9:05:03 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Psycho_Bunny

“Code for “over-educated morons”

Or maybe over-schooled fools. This sort probably can’t be considered educated, just schooled.


16 posted on 08/13/2008 9:08:10 PM PDT by Will88 (.)
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To: max americana

Capt Cook was also NOT included in the list.


17 posted on 08/13/2008 9:15:12 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: Iron Munro

I love the “River War.” Churchill was one of the great historians who also made history, along with Caesar and T.R. (although I have never personally read any of the latter’s books).


18 posted on 08/13/2008 9:23:33 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: DeaconBenjamin
" We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle."-Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
19 posted on 08/13/2008 10:06:40 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Britain is no more.


20 posted on 08/13/2008 10:09:24 PM PDT by wastedyears (Show me your precious darlings, and I will crush them all)
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To: Iron Munro
...and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.”

This little unnoticed bit ought to send the ID people over the edge.

21 posted on 08/13/2008 10:21:45 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Another “comprehensive” attempt. We’ve had comprehensive immigration reform that was merely amnesty, Pelosi is attempting a comprehensive energy solution which neither produces energy nor is a solution, and now scholars are giving us comprehensive lists of historic figures that leaves out some of Britain’s most towering figures. I see a pattern here...when they use the word ‘comprehensive,’ you know the product is crap.


22 posted on 08/13/2008 11:56:12 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled

This little unnoticed bit ought to send the ID people over the edge.

Well, the intellectual history people, at any rate. Churchill was young when he wrote that, and he was showing a vestige of popular Enlightenment-worship—the religion where you believe that everything that happened before about 1750 was wrong. In this otherwise admirable quote, Churchill has it backwards as regards science. Christianity has not been "sheltered in the strong arms of science"; modern science was given birth by the Church. The scientific and philosophical pioneers who laid down the principles of evidence and made major discoveries were Catholic priests and other Christian divines: St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Albert the Great, (Fr.) Nicoleus Copernicus, Johannes Kepler, Sir Isaac Newton, (Br.) Gregor Mendel, to name a few.

Scientific discovery and technology are made possible by two concepts that grow directly from Christian thought: 1) God has an orderly universe, and because God loves man, He has made His laws discoverable by man; 2) The truth belongs to God and always leads to God.

Note that Copernicus began his inquiry into the solar system when he was asked to help redesign the ecclesiastical calendar. He protested that he couldn't do so until he better understood the motion of the sun and planets. And that it was his superiors in the Church who insisted that he publish his heliocentric hypothesis of the solar system—which upset 1,000 years of convention and understandably started quite a stir.

23 posted on 08/14/2008 12:03:27 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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“But it also contains an odd selection of events such as the building in 1859 of the Red House, key to the development of British arts and crafts, the gin drinking craze of 1729 — and, astoundingly, the completion of the Channel Tunnel...Mr Westgaph also said he had argued they needed more traditional elements in the list but he said people would contend that was a “dead white males” view of history.

Television presenter and historian David Starkey called the list “just silly”.


24 posted on 08/14/2008 12:03:40 AM PDT by americanophile
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To: Tublecane
I love the “River War.” Churchill was one of the great historians who also made history, along with Caesar and T.R.

So true - He was an exceptionally great man in the sense he was able to rise above his previous boundaries, to reach beyond himself, and in so doing he enabled England to do the same and save themselves.

Now he is thrown on the trash heap of history by the spoor of the very same people he rallied and helped save from becoming foot maids to the Germans.

The new generation are not deserving of the legacy of their forebears.

25 posted on 08/14/2008 6:28:39 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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