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Russian withdrawal from Gori appears to break down
AP ^

Posted on 08/14/2008 2:32:40 AM PDT by maquiladora

GORI, Georgia (AP) - Plans for Russian troops to leave the key Georgian city of Gori appear to have broken down. Early Thursday, the Georgian Interior Ministry said Russian forces were leaving the city that they had taken the day before even though a cease-fire was in effect.

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But around midday, the Georgian officials left and some 15 SUVs filled with Georgian soldiers approached a Russian checkpoint on the city's outskirts, pointing guns at the Russian soldiers who then lay in the ground and appeared to prepare for combat.

Several Russian tanks then hurried to the position and the Georgians backed off to an elevated area some 200 meters away.

(Excerpt) Read more at pr-inside.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: ceasefire; georgia; gori; russia; russiantroops

1 posted on 08/14/2008 2:32:40 AM PDT by maquiladora
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To: jhpigott

Tensions still high it seems.


2 posted on 08/14/2008 2:33:27 AM PDT by maquiladora
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To: maquiladora

AFP confirms :

Russian forces have “changed their mind” about leaving the flashpoint Georgian town of Gori and are not withdrawing, a Georgian interior ministry spokesman told AFP.

“All night they said they would leave and now they have changed their mind. Georgian forces have stopped (going to Gori) to avoid clashes with the Russians,” Interior Ministry spokesman Shota Utiashvili told AFP.

An AFP reporter on the road about 30 kilometres from the town witnessed from 15 to 20 Georgian armoured personnel carriers go through a police checkpoint towards Gori.

But he then saw them pulled up by the side of the road a little further on.

Mr Utiashvili said earlier that Georgian forces would retake control of Gori after a pledge from the Russian military that its forces would begin to withdraw.

http://news.sbs.com.au/worldnewsaustralia/russian_forces_39still_in_gori39_554694


3 posted on 08/14/2008 2:36:19 AM PDT by maquiladora
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To: All
AP NewsAlert

29 minutes ago

TBILISI, Georgia (AP) — Georgian Foreign Ministry says more Russian troops enter Gori, Russians move into Poti

4 posted on 08/14/2008 2:37:23 AM PDT by maquiladora
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To: maquiladora

Dirty Soviets’ words are worth crap. They behave totally arbitrary. Their lying is worse than that of the islamists. I hope their forces will eventually be blown to bits, I don’t care by whom.


5 posted on 08/14/2008 2:40:14 AM PDT by SolidWood (God Bless Georgia and grant them victory over Russia!)
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To: maquiladora

BBC : Explosions heard in Gori.


6 posted on 08/14/2008 2:42:08 AM PDT by maquiladora
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To: maquiladora
Every Russian move is a feint. Deja Vu all over again.
7 posted on 08/14/2008 2:45:37 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: maquiladora

The Russians are going to string this out for a few more weeks. Russia is now snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Taunting the US and the other former Soviet republics is a huge mistake. More pictures of Russian armor rolling in Georgia proper does not help them. I would expect major new US/NATO military bases in the former Soviet Union soon. Is that what Putin wants?


8 posted on 08/14/2008 2:49:10 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: maquiladora

If you get a link on that please post - thanks in advance


9 posted on 08/14/2008 2:55:00 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: SolidWood
It isn't arbitrary.

They're calling Bush's bluff (not saying it is a bluff).

Bush has stated that we're going to bring in aid. So now Russia is going to hang onto what they've captured and use it for further bargaining.

10 posted on 08/14/2008 2:55:42 AM PDT by DB
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To: DB
So now Russia is going to hang onto what they've captured and use it for further bargaining.

They are destroying everything.

11 posted on 08/14/2008 3:30:20 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: maquiladora
We need to send the Georgians a hundred Stinger man portable anti-aircraft missiles, and about five hundred of these, Javelin anti-tanks. The remaining Russians can walk out, over the mountains, and through the passes, back to Russia.


12 posted on 08/14/2008 3:50:26 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: maquiladora

13 posted on 08/14/2008 4:56:05 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: maquiladora

the Russians appear to be sending some mixed signals . . .


14 posted on 08/14/2008 5:01:10 AM PDT by jhpigott
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To: Leisler

I’ve been wondering what it would take to close off that tunnel, leaving the Soviet force unable to be resupplied or reinforced on the ground. Isolating a sizable extended force and forcing its surrender is always bad for an invader, as the Nazis found out at Stalingrad.


15 posted on 08/14/2008 5:15:05 AM PDT by hellbender
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To: hellbender

IF Georgia blows the tunnel, then the Russians will claim that they are staying because the blown tunnel “prevents them from leaving.”

That’s how global diplomacy and propaganda work during wars, after all.

What Georgia is doing is instead the correct course of action:

1. resupplying
2. consolodating defensive positions after yielding ground
3. letting international pressure work against Russia
4. hitting the Russians outside of the Ossetia disputed region...or disengaging to see if the Russians advance further

Now granted, there could be a time/place for blowing the tunnel...but from then on the game changes substantially.

The question then becomes: do you want the game to change today, or later when you have more allies mobilized and more anti-tank missiles imported?

Keep in mind that the U.S. and the Ukraine have prevented Putin from blockading Georgia, so full modern arms imports can be purchased by Tbilsi.

One has to wonder if selling South African anti-tank missiles and Israeli anti-aircraft missiles has found a very willing buyer this week, somewhere in Africa/Middle-East...


16 posted on 08/14/2008 7:58:43 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

Closing the tunnel is something to do just before winter. The point would be to keep the invading army there, just with its supplies cut off.


17 posted on 08/14/2008 8:19:58 AM PDT by Styria
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To: jhpigott

“the Russians appear to be sending some mixed signals . . .”

It makes one wonder how much control Moscow actually has over thier field units.

It was the Ossettian Russian Mob-run leadership that triggered this thing when they let the Russian militias shoot up the georgian villages on Ossettia.

Putin may have wanted this fight, but I think it went farther than he ever planned for.


18 posted on 08/14/2008 10:58:39 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Beware Of False Prophets/ME-ssiahs Selling Hopium....)
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To: hellbender

“I’ve been wondering what it would take to close off that tunnel, leaving the Soviet force unable to be resupplied or reinforced on the ground.”

I think that’s Bush’s trump card in this situation...
A few criuse missles, and Russia’s armour and allies are dependent on Air Resupply..


19 posted on 08/14/2008 11:00:04 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Beware Of False Prophets/ME-ssiahs Selling Hopium....)
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To: tcrlaf

that’s the thing about wars . . . they are easy start, most often they are difficult to stop


20 posted on 08/14/2008 11:29:51 AM PDT by jhpigott
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To: maquiladora

Well, i wonder if the Georgian soldiers pointing guns at the Russians had anything to do at all with their appearing ready for combat.... has everyone grown dumb?


21 posted on 08/14/2008 12:46:13 PM PDT by ketelone
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