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Prince Charles warns GM crops risk causing the biggest-ever environmental disaster
Telegraph.co.uk ^ | August 12, 2008 | Jeff Randall

Posted on 08/14/2008 7:56:34 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot

Relying on "gigantic corporations" for food, he said, would result in "absolute disaster".

"That would be the absolute destruction of everything... and the classic way of ensuring there is no food in the future," he said.

Snip.."If they think this is the way to go....we [will] end up with millions of small farmers all over the world being driven off their land into unsustainable, unmanageable, degraded and dysfunctional conurbations of unmentionable awfulness."

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: agriculture; environment; foodsupply; gmo; idiot; princecharles; princeupchuck; royals
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Oh no, not conurbations of unmentionable awfulness!

Cousins shouldn't marry.

1 posted on 08/14/2008 7:56:34 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot
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To: 1rudeboy; Mase; expat_panama; Rusty0604; Jim 0216; xjcsa; VegasCowboy

Environmentalist idiocy ping!


2 posted on 08/14/2008 7:57:07 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Half the time it could seem funny, the other half's just too sad.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Norman Borlaug is laughing.


3 posted on 08/14/2008 8:00:41 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Toddsterpatriot

The dork who will never be King.


4 posted on 08/14/2008 8:01:53 AM PDT by freedom1st
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To: Toddsterpatriot

I take anything scientific coming from a guy who’s family tree looks like a telephone pole with a grain of salt myself...


5 posted on 08/14/2008 8:01:59 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

This looks like a headline from “The Onion.”


6 posted on 08/14/2008 8:02:36 AM PDT by RexBeach ("Americans never quit!" Douglas MacArthur)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Chuck reminds me a lot of Queen Vickie’s kid, can’t remember his name but he was a real doosh too.


7 posted on 08/14/2008 8:02:45 AM PDT by tumblindice (Speak O Great Toothless One! "conurbations of unmentionable awfulness" OK, here's a cookie...)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

All agriculture has always been about genetic modification.


8 posted on 08/14/2008 8:03:50 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Another reason to abolish the monarchy.


9 posted on 08/14/2008 8:06:42 AM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Solidifying his position as "Upperclass Twit Of The Year" yet again.


10 posted on 08/14/2008 8:07:48 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

“Solidifying his position as “Upperclass Twit Of The Year” yet again.”

He gives twits everywhere a bad name.


11 posted on 08/14/2008 8:09:26 AM PDT by cowtowney
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To: tumblindice

You must be thinking of King Edward VII’s eldest, Albert Victor. He was a real piece of work.


12 posted on 08/14/2008 8:09:29 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Toddsterpatriot
It's a good thing Charles has his mother and the state to care for him.

At least three-fourths of everything this moron eats has been genetically modified in some way.

Prince Charles: So mercifully spared from the ravages of intelligence.

13 posted on 08/14/2008 8:10:06 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: tumblindice
Thank God the United States not only was established on a republican basis, but specifically forbade American citizens from obtaining titles of nobility by means of the Constitution. It is also fortunate that in the aftermath of the Glorious Revolution of 1688, the British Parliament restrained the power of the monarchy. As bad as that nation's Labour Party is, it would be worse off with Charles as an absolute monarch in the manner of the Stuarts or the Tudors.
14 posted on 08/14/2008 8:11:06 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: Toddsterpatriot

"If we all starve now, we won't run the risk of starving later!"

15 posted on 08/14/2008 8:12:20 AM PDT by M203M4 (True Universal Suffrage: Pets of dead illegal-immigrant felons voting Democrat (twice))
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To: Toddsterpatriot

So we’ve been dead for 100 years?


16 posted on 08/14/2008 8:12:20 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: AnAmericanMother

I think that was him. Died of some VD?


17 posted on 08/14/2008 8:13:43 AM PDT by tumblindice ("conurbations of unmentionable awfulness")
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Why should we give a damn about what anyone from the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha says?


18 posted on 08/14/2008 8:13:59 AM PDT by Constitution Day (This tagline is a Designated Whine-Free Zone)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Did you know Borlaug is still alive? He’s 94.


19 posted on 08/14/2008 8:14:37 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Toddsterpatriot
degraded and dysfunctional conurbations of unmentionable awfulness

Hey, that would make a great bumper sticker!! It would boost my geek cred!!
20 posted on 08/14/2008 8:14:50 AM PDT by kb2614 (Hell hath no fury than a bureaucrat scorned)
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To: Borges

I knew he was still around. An Iowa boy who made good in Minnesota.


21 posted on 08/14/2008 8:16:29 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Toddsterpatriot

The royal gene pool is getting a bit stagnant....


22 posted on 08/14/2008 8:19:28 AM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: Wallace T.

My favorite tagline, below.
(#2 “Nuke Canada”; just kidding, good neighbors to the North)


23 posted on 08/14/2008 8:20:11 AM PDT by tumblindice (Americas Founding Fathers, all armed conservatives)
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To: Ramius

If he had just said that we shouldn’t raid world food production/consumption by burning thousands of acres of engineered corn in cars I could agree with him.


24 posted on 08/14/2008 8:23:25 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: steve-b
The royal gene pool is getting a bit stagnant....

That was true 200 years ago. Today it is positively septic.

25 posted on 08/14/2008 8:26:03 AM PDT by magslinger (A politician who thinks he is above the law is actually beneath contempt.)
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To: freedom1st

Liz gets a cold and the Empire shudders!


26 posted on 08/14/2008 8:26:06 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: tumblindice
No, actually, died rather prosaically of the 'flu, in one of the minor pandemics that preceded the Great Pandemic of 1918.

All sorts of rumors about his sexual misconduct and supposed VD circulated during his life (and after his death) - he was even put forward as a possible Jack the Ripper suspect. But the only problem we can confirm for sure is that he was borderline retarded -- most likely because he was born 2 months premature. He would have made a rotten king on that account.

Charles can't claim mental retardation as an excuse -- he's just a twit.

27 posted on 08/14/2008 8:26:34 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Liberty Valance

Interesting side note:

A vast underground vault storing millions of seeds from around the world is scheduled to open this week in a mountain on a remote island near the Arctic Ocean.

Dubbed the “Doomsday Vault,” the seed bank is considered the ultimate safety net for the world’s seed collections, protecting them from a wide range of threats including war, natural disasters, lack of funding or simply poor agricultural management.

The Norwegian government paid to build the vault in a mountainside near Longyearbyen, in the remote Svalbard islands between Norway and the North Pole. Building began last year, and the vault is scheduled to open officially Tuesday.


28 posted on 08/14/2008 8:30:14 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

“degraded and dysfunctional conurbations of unmentionable awfulness”

There you have it! Charles has been ghost writing Obama’s speeches. Who knew?


29 posted on 08/14/2008 8:38:09 AM PDT by SMARTY ('At some point you get tired of swatting flies, and you have to go for the manure heap' Gen. LeMay)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Every time that man opens his mouth I am thankful that his royal position is mainly ceremonial. What an utter airhead!


30 posted on 08/14/2008 8:42:47 AM PDT by Nevadan
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Mock away, but there may turn out to be some validity in his arguments. I'm concerned about GM, too. I don't buy into all the hype about global warming, etc., but something has caused the disappearance of our honeybees. We have none now. Bumblebees and a few other insects are doing the pollination in my little corner of the world. A beekeeper in my state whose colonies have not yet been affected by CCD is shipping his bees to CA to pollinate mainly almond crops during the winter.

We've just been through a Japanese beetle invasion that is slowly and relentlessly moving westward. They are very destructive, get into corn silk which prevents pollination. To counter them, they are spraying with new chemicals. There is a new class of neocontinids (sp?) containing, for one, imidacloprid. I have seen the destructive effects of the residual effects on a bumblebee and wasplike insect, definite disorientation and probably death. I don't need a scientific study to make the connection, and if I ever feel driven to use that chemical again, will cut off blossoms. They suspect something about the coating of corn seeds is systemic which carries through to the pollen. I've barely scratched the surface and have to admit my shortcomings and inabilities in doing a truly scientific study.

But this is just one pest. Roses are an ornamental crop and industry. We can get along without them. But when food crops, GM crops now, are affected, maybe we had better open our minds a little and not stick to narrow agendas. No, I don't presume to have the answers, just more questions.

Jap beetles have now made inroads in the Pacific northwest. It doesn't take rocket science to see that they will make their way into CA. If they come from the north, it will be the grape crops. Then the fruit crops in the valleys as they have a preference for certain plants over others. There is no really safe way of eradicating them and no natural predators. If we import the wasps, then we are taking another risk. The U of MI has started giving out on an experimental basis for people to try in their gardens adult beetles innoculated with a disease they spread from one to another. No one knows the unintended consequences that could cause.

I did grow cherries for years. I never treated them with anything, bumper crops almost every year. They were specially bred, but I doubt by genetic manipulation, but I don't know for sure, in Minnesota for their cold hardiness. Finally my two trees died, and I replaced them with another variety, don't know how that is going to be, managed to keep most of the beetles off them; they prefer the newest leaves. I never sprayed my apples, lose most of my wonderful apricots to late frosts, and usually the apples are wormy, a few good years. And so it goes. Going straight organic is not easy in the midwest. I've finally resorted to spraying on a limited basis, being careful to gather information on products I choose and their potential effects on the environment.

My only beef with the environmentalists is using it for a political agenda which may be based on false assumptions and conclusions. We are all in this together whether we like it or not. It has always been so.

I'm also 4th gen & 5th gen of a couple of first cousin marriages, some of the lines seem tainted with a particular disorder but no way to prove a link, way above average intelligence though in some descendants, so haven't drawn any specific inclusions one way or the other. Obviously too much of that does have deleterious effects on offspring.

31 posted on 08/14/2008 8:44:46 AM PDT by Aliska
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Charles, Charles, Charles...


32 posted on 08/14/2008 8:46:18 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot; All

Any farmers out there?

Someone told me recently that if an ear of corn were picked from a field that the seeds on the ear would never germanate and grow. Is this true?

The person who told me this said that it was so that the sead companies could prevent farmers from harvesting and saving seeds to grow future crops.

If so, then this may not be as whacked out as it appears on the surface.


33 posted on 08/14/2008 8:48:17 AM PDT by killermosquito (Buffalo (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: Aliska

Please read my post 33. Do you have any info?


34 posted on 08/14/2008 8:52:09 AM PDT by killermosquito (Buffalo (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

I read 25 posts and no one asked but I’ll admit ignorance and look it up.....

” A conurbation is an urban area comprising a number of cities, large towns and larger urban areas that, through population growth and physical expansion, have merged to form one continuous urban and industrially developed area. It is thus a polycentric form of agglomeration. In most cases, transportation has developed to link areas within the conurbation, to create a single urban labour market or travel to work area.[1]”


35 posted on 08/14/2008 8:59:11 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Conservation? Let the NE Yankees freeze.... in the dark)
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To: M203M4

Nice hat,needs to be a little pointier though...


36 posted on 08/14/2008 9:25:54 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

As the old Spy Magazine used to call Charlie boy and his friends: “Upper Class Twit Of The Week”.


37 posted on 08/14/2008 9:32:45 AM PDT by garyhope (It's world war IV, right here, right now courtesy of Islam. VRWC. TWP.)
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To: killermosquito
Do you have any info?

Not much, but tend to think it is true, another area I need to investigate more fully. I can tell you that there are two farms in the family. I asked if GM seeds were used. Yes, but he didn't jump right on the bandwagon, read up on it. Says they are very effective in inhibiting the corn borer resulting in higher yields.

As to inhibiting germination, I believe that is true, need to look into that more thoroughly. Believe you have to buy fresh seed every year from the corporations, can't replant your own like farmers used to do, saving the best ears for next year's seed. There are some companies on the web that sell heirloom seeds, haven't seen anything about corn and soybeans, our primary crops here.

As a kid I noticed the odd color on a bag of soybeans in the barn, nibbled on one, didn't hurt me. I only asked why they were coated. That part wasn't answered, but was told they were seed for the following year and you shouldn't eat them.

I will ask more questions, but it's going to take awhile so probably won't be able to get back to you on that. In any case, if I decide I don't want to be party to it, I'm going to have a battle on my hands, and we're small potatoes compared to those who are now farming acreages numbering into the thousands.

I'm reasonably certain we don't use crop dusting planes, but have relied on heavy use of pesticides in the past. Farming methods are intensive now. We don't rotate crops as much as we used to, called monoculture, bulldozed most of the trees so the machinery can get into and out of the fields more efficiently. Plus I know the water table has dropped. Some fresher surface wells remain, but my father had to go really deep with our last well. The water stinks of sulphur (that rotten egg odor). The house reeks when laundry is being done, it's awful to drink; many use filters to make it so they can stand to drink it. It wasn't that way when I was young. I don't necesarily see a relationship with the water, have always depended on rain, do not irrigate, do use tile to drain fields. I'm 2nd gen off the land.

Here's what got me onto the other (it's just opinion, may or may not be a causal relationship): LAT opinion piece - The loss of billions of bees raises questions about our pesticide controls

I can tell you that many annual and perennial ornamental plants are relatively pest-free, problem with powdery mildew on some. I do save and replant seeds with mixed results, some didn't get pollinated and don't germinate for me. I've had some marigolds and alyssum going for 3-4 years now from which I save the seeds. Last year I grew a lot of tomatoes I got on ebay, wanted Big Boy, got cherry. Yield was good, and have many volunteers in that strip so know that they germinate ok following year, but the tomatoes dried up at the bottom and quit producing too early even though I used a huge soaker hose. Small producers can do their own pollinating by tickling each blossom, wouldn't be practical for large growers.

Please ping me if you find any more info wrt your post #33.

38 posted on 08/14/2008 9:34:50 AM PDT by Aliska
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To: Aliska

DDT: spray here, spray now


39 posted on 08/14/2008 9:35:48 AM PDT by hsalaw
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To: killermosquito

What do you mean the seeds will not grow? When the crop is ready, you harvest. And any corn planted today is hybrid seed, unless you are a home gardener and prefer the open-pollinated. And hybrid seed by nature will not reproduce true to the parent. So what are you saying?

BTW in my state they are making signs with pictures for tourists/travelors to use, identifying things like- this is a hay bale, this is a tractor etc. Trying to replace the “milk comes from the grocery store” mentality.


40 posted on 08/14/2008 9:39:00 AM PDT by newhouse
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To: Toddsterpatriot
[ unsustainable, unmanageable, degraded and dysfunctional conurbations of unmentionable awfulness.]

Sounds like dialog/copy from Kingfish's(Obamas) last speech..
No doubt a Calhoun written speech..

41 posted on 08/14/2008 9:39:00 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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DDT: spray here, spray now

LOL. I remember being out playing as a kid and the planes going over, am in upper 60's now. Now we have West Nile, have seen the effects on crows with my own eyes when it hits here, usually late in summer. I make a half-hearted effort to protect myself from mosquitos but hate that Deet stuff. Since it primarily affects elderly, young, especially those with compromised immune systems, not much alarm has been raised overall.

I did read Silent Spring, and just don't know if DDT is as harmful as they say.

I am glad they have, to large extent, cleaned up pollution in lakes and rivers. You can go salmon fishing and probably other fish in the Great Lakes again. Not much into fishing but big sport here. The river is still pretty unsanitary overall. Recent flooding didn't help, untreated sewage spilled into a mighty waterway.

I don't know how it is in other parts of the country, but farmers can't get as easy and fast access to the internet we urban dwellers are able to do, and I had to wait several years for dsl to become available in my area. Many parts of the country are shut out because it is not cost effective. Satellites or dialup are the only answer for those, notice many in places like N NH are still on dialup.

42 posted on 08/14/2008 10:03:30 AM PDT by Aliska
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Newsflash for Prince Charles:

All crops are genetically modified.


43 posted on 08/14/2008 10:05:00 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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/obscure?

44 posted on 08/14/2008 10:07:04 AM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: bert

I am glad you figured that part out.
I am still trying to figure out what a “GM” is?
And if they don’t like it, why not just buy a Ford?


45 posted on 08/14/2008 10:09:53 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Moronic commentary from the shallow end of the royal gene pool. Time for a British Republic.


46 posted on 08/14/2008 10:13:35 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: killermosquito
Someone told me recently that if an ear of corn were picked from a field that the seeds on the ear would never germinate and grow. Is this true?

I don't know that as a fact, but I suspect that is true. I've heard rumors of lawsuits against farmers who were using non-hybridized seed corn and saving some of the resultant crop to reseed the next year. The seed companies were trying to force farmers to go hybrid across the board as each plant is actually a clone and is sterile. That forces the farmer to buy seed corn every season. It also presents a major problem down the road in that wide areas are populated by what is genetically a single plant. If a pest develops to which the plant(s) have no resistance, you loose the whole crop. It's risking a biological "pandemic", and that's the truth w/o sugar coating. All the seed people say is "It ain't happened" (yet)!

Regards,
GtG

47 posted on 08/14/2008 10:37:07 AM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: killermosquito
Someone told me recently that if an ear of corn were picked from a field that the seeds on the ear would never germanate and grow. Is this true?

The seeds will grow. They just won't be the same hybrid as the store bought seeds. If you ever grew tomatoes and "volunteers" pop up the next year, they're never the same.

48 posted on 08/14/2008 10:39:06 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Half the time it could seem funny, the other half's just too sad.)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
The seed companies were trying to force farmers to go hybrid across the board as each plant is actually a clone and is sterile.

If the corn or wheat were sterile, there would be no crop.

49 posted on 08/14/2008 10:43:10 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Half the time it could seem funny, the other half's just too sad.)
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To: newhouse

It used to be that farmers would set ears of corn asside so that they would have seed for the next year (thus they would not need to buy seed).

I’m saying that, according to someone I spoke to recently, I’ve forgotten who, but he said that farmers now have to buy seed each year since the saved seed will not germinate due to the way it has been engineered.

This may not be not be the tinfoil hat topic that many here think.


50 posted on 08/14/2008 11:34:25 AM PDT by killermosquito (Buffalo (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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