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'Nazi' Atrocities Shock in Georgia - Civilians 'Slain & Sent to Camps'
nypost.com ^ | August 14, 2008 | CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA in Gori, Georgia, and CHUCK BENNETT in NY

Posted on 08/14/2008 10:01:27 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

Russian troops are indiscriminately murdering civilians and interning them in concentration camps, the embattled Georgian president charged yesterday, as he begged the West not to "appease" Moscow as it did with Nazi Germany.

The startling accusations came as Russian troops blatantly violated a cease-fire by sending an armored convoy through the strategic city of Gori.

The invaders first poured into Georgia five days ago - ostensibly in defense of a pro-Moscow breakaway region, South Ossetia. "What they are doing is exactly what Stalin did to Finland, what they've done to Afghanistan, what in the Second World War Germany was doing to Poland and to other European countries," Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili said.

Saakashvili, a US-educated lawyer who once practiced law in New York, described the situation in Georgia as the rape of his country.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: abkhazia; atrocities; banglist; ceasefire; communism; georgia; gulags; ossetia; redarmy; reeducationcamps; russia; russiantroops; southossetia; sovietmilitary; sovietunion; triptosiberia
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1 posted on 08/14/2008 10:01:27 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Yeah that always works.


2 posted on 08/14/2008 10:02:37 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (My son just joined the Navy!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

3 posted on 08/14/2008 10:05:57 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Thank you, chickenshit West!


4 posted on 08/14/2008 10:06:35 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Are you ready to pray for Teddy?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The Georgians have my sympathies HOWEVER, I don’t know if I believe that the Russians are setting up death camps.


5 posted on 08/14/2008 10:08:08 AM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Obama for President!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Who edits these headlines?
You cannot be slain and sent to a camp. Unless they are shipping dead bodies to camps...good grief.


6 posted on 08/14/2008 10:08:18 AM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: svcw

There is nothing false in the headline. Civilians slain & sent to camps means civilians either slain or imprisoned. Where is the comprehension problem?


7 posted on 08/14/2008 10:13:47 AM PDT by SolidWood (God Bless Georgia and grant them victory over Russia!)
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To: Tzimisce

Concentration Camp does not equal automatically death-camp. I am pretty sure they are indeed rounding up Georgians for “resettlement” to create ethnic wholly Osset and Abkhaz regions.


8 posted on 08/14/2008 10:15:21 AM PDT by SolidWood (God Bless Georgia and grant them victory over Russia!)
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To: Tzimisce

I am certain people did not believe Hitler was either:)


9 posted on 08/14/2008 10:21:52 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 ('GOP' : Get Our Petroleum)
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To: Free ThinkerNY; archy; Squantos; ExSoldier
http://www.navoine.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=551

Check out the 90 or so pics at this Russian link. Not for the weak stomached: many gory war casualties.

Note especially the prevalent Chechyn units. Most Russian armor is spray-painted with the unit names, including "Chechyn Vostok." The Russians are sending Chechyn muslims into Georgia, to do the dirty work.

10 posted on 08/14/2008 10:22:19 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: SolidWood

Sorry but the headline says they are slain and sent to camps. Which means that they are killed and sent to camps.
I could infer something different but the headline is .............


11 posted on 08/14/2008 10:22:46 AM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Nazi allegations have been flying both ways.

This quote from http://war.georgia.su/

Waffen SS is responcible for Holocaust and many of the war crimes.

Is it an accident that Saakashvili use the Nazi's camouflage? The same camouflage which was used for mass killings?

I think it isn't.

On 7th of August, 2008 Georgian armed forces, with orders from president Saakashvili invaded Republic of South Ossetia and started full-scale genocide of Ossetian nation, for so-called «Final Solution» of Ossetian Question, which shall be considered as action, equal to Hitler’s Nazi crimes.

After capturing Ossetian capital – Tskhinvali, Saakashvili’s troops murdered es. 2000 non-combatants, citizens of Tskhinvali.

Note the URL - not .ru but .su.

12 posted on 08/14/2008 10:24:23 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF ("Gun Control" is not about the guns. "Illegal Immigration" is not about the immigration)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

Note, “georgia.su” was created in June of 1999. Moscow’s propaganda offensive began well before August, 2008.

Whois Record

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source: RIPN

org: “RELCOM.BUSINESS NETWORK” Ltd
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admin-c: LVV-RIPN
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phone: +7 499 1960823
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e-mail:
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source: RIPN

person: LUBOV V VIDANOVA
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13 posted on 08/14/2008 10:30:31 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF ("Gun Control" is not about the guns. "Illegal Immigration" is not about the immigration)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

Yep. The “.su” was for the old Soviet Union and stewardship of it was transferred to the Russian Federation.


14 posted on 08/14/2008 10:35:14 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

Waffen SS Camo? Commie propaganda. The Georgians are using largely US camo.


15 posted on 08/14/2008 10:38:47 AM PDT by SolidWood (God Bless Georgia and grant them victory over Russia!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY; BCR #226
What they are doing is exactly what Stalin did to Finland,

During the four-month long Finnish Talvisota [Winter War, which the Soviets called the Belya Smyert, white death] the Soviet sent in a million men initially, with another half-million added in after initial losses. The Finns had fewer than 250,000 men with which to resist them, mostly ill-equipped and hastily-trained Civil Guardsment.

Four months later, at least a quarter-million of the invaders were either KIA or seriously enough wounded that they were no longer militarily useful: with missing limbs, badly burned, or, often, lungshot. Most of the Soviet casualties froze to death or bled out awaiting medical treatment that never came, having initially worn summer uniforms to what they had been told would be a short fight followed by occupation duty. Instead they got -30º temperatures of the coldest winter in 40 years, and the 20-hour long cold nights of the Arctic circle. Kruschev once stated that the Red Army hads taken a million casualties in Finland, and there's a fair chance that it was the Finnish success in repelling the Soviet visitors that convinced Hitler that if the Finns could do so well, the German Army could roll over the Red Army even easier...and so Hitler invaded Russia. But the Finns had taught the Soviets how to fight using the weather as a weapon, and the German effort failed. In 1959, the Soviets had put down uprisings of independence in East Germany and Hungary in '56, and again looked at Finland. Finland had no great army, and no massive budget, but they took their surplus and obsolete military weapons from their arsenals, including much of the foreign aid sent them during their Winter War and the equipment captured from the Soviets, and peddled it off to the American arms company Interarms, then called Interarmco. In nreturm the Finns got 250,000 WWII British 9mm Sten Guns, a quarter-million automatic weapons, enough for every Finnish soldier, reservist and civilian volunteer.

The Soviet Union's leadership decided that another visit to Finland would be just a little too expensive. And possibly, another MAJOR embarassment.


16 posted on 08/14/2008 10:42:43 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: SolidWood
Here's the image that goes along with the propaganda piece.

Don't know where they got the image, looks like someone's stock WWII photo. They are using it to equate the Georgian military with the SS. It works if your a liberal.

17 posted on 08/14/2008 10:43:25 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF ("Gun Control" is not about the guns. "Illegal Immigration" is not about the immigration)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

Well the dude on this photo is a WW2 Waffen-SS Soldier. Looks like a Reenactor to me (guys that dress up in uniforms for wargame events).


18 posted on 08/14/2008 10:49:20 AM PDT by SolidWood (God Bless Georgia and grant them victory over Russia!)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
Here actual Georgian Soldiers. Obviously dressed in US woodland, desert, and marpat.


19 posted on 08/14/2008 10:55:06 AM PDT by SolidWood (God Bless Georgia and grant them victory over Russia!)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF; SolidWood
Here's a story in the UK Telegraph by Adrian Bloomfield (doesn't sound Russian or Georgian), that sort of references that .su propaganda. It's getting sort of difficult to think of these people as fellow humans:

Russia destroying military bases in Georgia

Georgia sent Alexander Lomaia, the secretary of the country's National Security Mission, to negotiate with the Russian troops holding Gori...

Mr Lomaia then met a Russian colonel, who, in an apparent drunken rage, railed incoherently at western correspondents.

Mr Lomaia tried to reason with him. "There's no need to shout at the correspondents," he said quietly. "Why don't we go and sit in the car...."

Meanwhile, South Ossetian irregulars continuing to loot and pillage in Gori and nearby Georgian villages, often with the encouragement of Russian troops.

"Take whatever you want," a Russian officer shouted at the Ossetian militiamen in one village.

Fears of Balkans-style reprisals by South Ossetian fighters have grown since they entered Georgian territory after the ceasefire was agreed.

Human Rights Watch accused Russia of inflaming the mood of the irregulars by exaggerating the number of civilian deaths in the secessionist province of South Ossetia since Georgia attempted to win back the region last Friday."

 

20 posted on 08/14/2008 10:58:39 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The Russian 58th Army is the one rolling through South Ossetia and Gori. They have been given the lovely knickname, “The Butchers of Grozny”.


21 posted on 08/14/2008 10:59:06 AM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
The startling accusations came as Russian troops blatantly violated a cease-fire by sending an armored convoy through the strategic city of Gori. "What they are doing is exactly what Stalin did to Finland . . . Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili said.

Perhaps I could get more worked up about this if the city of Gori wasn't STILL promoting Stalin worship, with a huge statue of him and his old home as a key tourist attraction.

Honestly, I feel awful about innocent civilians caught in the middle of all this, but I suspect Putin and Saakashvili are pretty much two peas in a pod.

22 posted on 08/14/2008 11:00:04 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: archy
Perhaps the memory of Simo Hayha is still fresh in the mind of the Russians.

L

23 posted on 08/14/2008 11:01:52 AM PDT by Lurker (Islam is an insane death cult. Any other aspects are PR to get them within throat-cutting range.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The B2’s should be taking out the Russian convoys, and Special Forces should be on the ground harrassing troops and vital items, already if they aren’t already, if these allegations are true.

I know we aren’t in a position for a full frontal war with Russia, but that doesn’t mean we sit by and do nothing if this is going on.


24 posted on 08/14/2008 11:06:12 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Perhaps I could get more worked up about this if the city of Gori wasn't STILL promoting Stalin worship, with a huge statue of him and his old home as a key tourist attraction.

Well, yes, of course, a statue always merits looting, pillaging, burning and raping. /sarc

25 posted on 08/14/2008 11:07:33 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: browardchad

Russian has historically not been a great respecter of the rights of conquered people. And at this point that’s essentially what the Georgians in occupied territory are.

The Russians will either be made to suffer for this aggression or this attack will be just a prelude for greater atrocities to come.

Time to ramp up for Cold War II.


26 posted on 08/14/2008 11:10:04 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF ("Gun Control" is not about the guns. "Illegal Immigration" is not about the immigration)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Dang it. Saakashvili is not a communist for goodness sake. In Russia they still have Lenin/Communist era statues at every corner. Gori has a Stalin museum and statue for historic/tourists reason. No real Georgian is swooning for Stalin, who after all was the leading Bolshevik that had Free Georgia annexed by the Bolshevik armies in 1921.


27 posted on 08/14/2008 11:11:35 AM PDT by SolidWood (God Bless Georgia and grant them victory over Russia!)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF; SolidWood

I agree, that looks like a re-enactor photo. Check out the Stg-45 (Sturmgewehr) - though that might actually be a non-functional copy of the granddaddy of all assault rifles.


28 posted on 08/14/2008 11:26:17 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
Looks like he is holding a StG-44 (aka MP-44). A good piece to collect from World War II.
29 posted on 08/14/2008 11:47:49 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Is Barak HUSSEIN Obama an Anti-Christ? - B.O. Stinks! (Robert Riddle))
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
Russian has historically not been a great respecter of the rights of conquered people. And at this point that’s essentially what the Georgians in occupied territory are.

I've heard stories they raped German women in occupied territories during and after World War II. There is no excuse for that.
30 posted on 08/14/2008 11:49:59 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Is Barak HUSSEIN Obama an Anti-Christ? - B.O. Stinks! (Robert Riddle))
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To: Nowhere Man

They raped Romania women as well. My grand mother pretended to have a horrible disease to keep the Russians from raping her. She marked up her face with boils and lesions and pretended to be be sickly.


31 posted on 08/14/2008 12:05:50 PM PDT by Tramonto (Regime change in Russia)
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To: Tzimisce

I don’t know if I believe that the Russians are setting up death camps./
Have you ever read any of the Gulag Archipellago? There has never been a time when the Russians have not operated death camps. It would be extraordinary to believe that they have not enslaved Georgians.


32 posted on 08/14/2008 12:06:56 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (here come I, gravitas in tow.)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
Russian has historically not been a great respecter of the rights of conquered people. And at this point that’s essentially what the Georgians in occupied territory are.

I know, but when you think of how we put our guys through hell for even bogus accusations of abuse of civilians, it's infuriating -- especially when there are so many people out there that are willing to buy excuses for these excuses for these monsters -- such as a damn statue or a wild exaggeration of atrocities by Georgia in SO.

33 posted on 08/14/2008 12:13:13 PM PDT by browardchad
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To: Amos the Prophet

And my guess is that almost all of those taken to the camps will never be seen again. This is part of the terror tactic.

Note that a lot of our guys who were “liberated” by the Red Army from Nazi POW camps in WWII have still not come home.

The same is true of Korean War POWs.

The same is true of aerial recon operators who are known to have survived being shot down during the Cold War.

The same is true of Viet Nam POWs.

We’re just not supposed to talk about them because it could harm international relations.


34 posted on 08/14/2008 12:33:37 PM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF ("Gun Control" is not about the guns. "Illegal Immigration" is not about the immigration)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

We didn’t appease Nazi Germany, at least that I can remember from reading about WWII. We went in and kicked their collective butts.


35 posted on 08/14/2008 1:18:40 PM PDT by wastedyears (Show me your precious darlings, and I will crush them all)
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To: SolidWood; InABunkerUnderSF

Yeah, that guy looks like a reenactor to me too.


36 posted on 08/14/2008 1:30:43 PM PDT by wastedyears (Show me your precious darlings, and I will crush them all)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov mocked Georgia as "a special project of the United States." The United States had been training the Georgian military, and

Why bother?

NATO is an old tiger with two teeth remaining in his mouth; the US and the UK and no will left to leave his lair.

37 posted on 08/14/2008 2:04:18 PM PDT by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: Travis McGee; Lurker; hiredhand; NFHale; Gilbo_3; archy
Give me 10,000 men like this and 30 days......This man is set on / determined to put someone in the hurt locker !


38 posted on 08/14/2008 3:36:47 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The Sovi...Er Russians are sending the breakaway Georgians to reeducation camps.


39 posted on 08/14/2008 3:39:02 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Squantos

I don’t know if I’ve mentioned it before, but I love your tagline. :)


40 posted on 08/14/2008 3:39:06 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

I think that the Soviet flag will fly over Moscow any time now.


41 posted on 08/14/2008 3:40:01 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: trisham

Use it , teach it !!

That is an old as the ages military quote .........during my entire career from enlistment to retirement 26 years later that was repeated and hammered into our brains by all levels of leadership.

I live by that to this very day !...........:o)

Stay safe !


42 posted on 08/14/2008 3:42:10 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos

You, too! And thank you so much for your service to our country!


43 posted on 08/14/2008 3:43:39 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
...and interning them in concentration camps...

Wow, the Russians must have created these concentration camps in record time. They've only had, what, about a week to construct these camps (?).

44 posted on 08/14/2008 4:07:46 PM PDT by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: Squantos
He pretty much looks spring loaded to the pissed off position doesn't he.

L

45 posted on 08/14/2008 4:57:16 PM PDT by Lurker (Islam is an insane death cult. Any other aspects are PR to get them within throat-cutting range.)
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To: Tzimisce

The Putin regime has had journalists killed. That it would set up death camps sounds perfectly plausible to me.


46 posted on 08/14/2008 5:16:12 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (Obama is the anti-Reagan, instead of opposing the world's tyrants, he wants to embrace them)
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To: Nowhere Man

Raped and killed, you forgot to add.


47 posted on 08/14/2008 5:18:40 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (Obama is the anti-Reagan, instead of opposing the world's tyrants, he wants to embrace them)
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To: Travis McGee; Squantos
Most of the pics didnt load...

the turret thru the roof was prolly a pucker moment though...

about the guy burnin on the road, looks like somebody kindled that fire witht e way the branch was layin over him...is that some kinda signature, burnin crotch area of the enemy ???

ruuuskies are just doin what they know, like dogs sniffin asses...

48 posted on 08/14/2008 7:32:50 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Trust in the Lord...vote yer conscience...=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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To: Gilbo_3

Try again in a while, that site is getting a zillion hits.


49 posted on 08/14/2008 7:49:58 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
I guess Seattle will be next on your list.


50 posted on 08/14/2008 9:53:23 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36 ... Olympics for murdering regimes. ... Beijing '08)
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