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Atheist challenges ‘In God We Trust’(We need to Freep the survey!)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10103424/ ^

Posted on 08/14/2008 10:30:48 AM PDT by Devilinbaggypants

SAN FRANCISCO - An atheist who has spent four years trying to ban the Pledge of Allegiance from being recited in public schools is now challenging the motto printed on U.S. currency because it refers to God. Michael Newdow seeks to remove “In God We Trust” from U.S. coins and dollar bills, claiming in a federal lawsuit filed Thursday that the motto is an unconstitutional endorsement of religion....

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antitheist; churchandstate; firstamendment
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This may be an old article...but the survey is new I believe.
1 posted on 08/14/2008 10:30:48 AM PDT by Devilinbaggypants
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To: Devilinbaggypants

Oh Happy Day when the Newdows of the world cower at Judgment.


2 posted on 08/14/2008 10:33:33 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: Devilinbaggypants

Hmm...

Endorsement. Establishment.

Endorsement. Establishment.

Sorry, nothing unconstitutional here. But thanks for stopping by, Mr. Religiophobe.


3 posted on 08/14/2008 10:33:51 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Devilinbaggypants

Before everyone comes in here and bashes all atheists, with a broad stoke, I just want to say something.

I’m an atheist, and I think this guy is stupid. The majority of people in the country are Christian, so of course there will be countless references to it in our culture. As long as government treats us all equally, why should I care?


4 posted on 08/14/2008 10:34:18 AM PDT by ericc4
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To: Devilinbaggypants

Ugh, not this kook again.

Much as I hate giving MSNBC a page hit I have freeped.


5 posted on 08/14/2008 10:34:28 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF ("Gun Control" is not about the guns. "Illegal Immigration" is not about the immigration)
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To: Devilinbaggypants

I remember when this d’bag was fighting against the Pledge. I said to one of my Dem friends that idiots like that won’t stop until they’ve changed the motto on our currency. As usual, my Dem friend said I was nuts and that “no one” wants to erase In God We Trust. Uh, right.


6 posted on 08/14/2008 10:35:00 AM PDT by fleagle ( An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. -Winston Churchill)
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To: Devilinbaggypants

109375 responses so far....

Yes. It’s a violation of the principle of separation of church and state.
9%

No. The motto has historical and patriotic significance and does nothing to establish a state religion.
91%


7 posted on 08/14/2008 10:35:03 AM PDT by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: Devilinbaggypants

Honestly I don’t think we should say the Pledge at all. Before you attack me and call me unpatriotic, let me explain why and what I think should replace it.

The Pledge was invented by a socialist who was inspired by the idea of uniting America under the banner of the state (centralization). What better way than through th public school system while their minds are still impressionable?

Instead I think we should be saying “I (state your name), do solemnly swear to uphold/defend/support/etc. the Constitution of the United States...” you know the rest.

Ultimately it’s not terribly important to me, just throwing that out there.


8 posted on 08/14/2008 10:37:56 AM PDT by djsherin
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To: Devilinbaggypants

9 posted on 08/14/2008 10:37:57 AM PDT by camerakid400
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To: Devilinbaggypants

He wasn’t satisfied with only 15 minutes of fame, it seems.


10 posted on 08/14/2008 10:39:00 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Devilinbaggypants

It looks like that idiot Newdow got bored again.


11 posted on 08/14/2008 10:40:00 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't Blame Me, I voted for Kodos!)
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To: Devilinbaggypants

Newdow is an idiot and gets nowhere with this crrap. This has been tried before and got nowhere


12 posted on 08/14/2008 10:41:45 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Got Freedom ? Thank a Veteran...... Want to keep Freedom? Don't vote Obama)
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To: ericc4

(Before everyone comes in here and bashes all atheists, with a broad stoke, I just want to say something.
I’m an atheist, and I think this guy is stupid. The majority of people in the country are Christian, so of course there will be countless references to it in our culture. As long as government treats us all equally, why should I care?)

The problem is the Government does not treat us all equally
One moron can sway some idiot Judge to make a stupid ruling that effects 100’s of million of people.


13 posted on 08/14/2008 10:44:52 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Got Freedom ? Thank a Veteran...... Want to keep Freedom? Don't vote Obama)
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To: Devilinbaggypants

One thing about Newdow, he’s consistent in that he always loses. What a turkey!


14 posted on 08/14/2008 10:45:40 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

So who would be for changing it to, “In a God we trust?”
Doesn’t matter to me really, I’m Agnostic.

Have your Jesus or Wiccan shirts and belt buckles all you want just don’t force people to worship or swear an oath to any one religion.


15 posted on 08/14/2008 10:47:39 AM PDT by Pawtucket Patriot
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To: djsherin

I actually kind of like that idea. My son (USAF) and daughter (USMC) had to take a similar oath, as did my naturalized wife.

Of course, we “native-born” Americans do not.


16 posted on 08/14/2008 10:48:21 AM PDT by Sigurdrifta
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To: ericc4

LOL...thanks for the ping...wish there were more of you that felt the same way ;-)


17 posted on 08/14/2008 10:49:21 AM PDT by Devilinbaggypants (Gun control is being able to hit your target!)
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To: Sigurdrifta

Interesting isn’t it? I’m in ROTC so I’ve taken it, but I just think it makes more sense to swear an allegiance to uphold the laws of your country than it does to pledge allegiance to the state (or flag I suppose).


18 posted on 08/14/2008 10:50:31 AM PDT by djsherin
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To: djsherin

Good point...thanks for the post!


19 posted on 08/14/2008 10:50:51 AM PDT by Devilinbaggypants (Gun control is being able to hit your target!)
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To: Pawtucket Patriot

“Have your Jesus or Wiccan shirts and belt buckles all you want just don’t force people to worship or swear an oath to any one religion.”

Last time I checked, it does not happen from within our government.


20 posted on 08/14/2008 10:57:21 AM PDT by Bruinator (It's the Media.............Stupid)
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To: ericc4

Look, I know this might seem a little out of line but since you atheists have no fear of “life after death” and the pain of punishment in Hell, maybe you could go discuss your feelings with this Newdow puke. Certainly you have nothing to lose (and neither does he).


21 posted on 08/14/2008 11:01:04 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

And fight if we must
When our cause is just
And our motto shall be
In God is our trust
Oh say does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave
o’re the land of the free
and the home of the brave


22 posted on 08/14/2008 11:03:57 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: muawiyah

Nice try there muawiyah, but seriously why all the hate? Come in for a hug, come on, hug it out. ;)


23 posted on 08/14/2008 11:04:13 AM PDT by Pawtucket Patriot
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To: djsherin
Frankly I think you should remain seated while communion is passed and the government should be neutral when it comes to oaths and affirmations (except for the President and the judges).

People should be free to say what they want, and there should be no liberty at all for anyone to be able to go to court to suppress the free speech of others (except for kiddie porn, of course).

24 posted on 08/14/2008 11:04:52 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Pawtucket Patriot

Hate is irrelevant. You will be assimilated.


25 posted on 08/14/2008 11:05:59 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: djsherin

Well, said, my FRiend, and I agree.


26 posted on 08/14/2008 11:06:20 AM PDT by JamesP81 (George Orwell's 1984 was a warning, not a suggestion)
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To: muawiyah

I’m not opposed to this at all. I’m just saying that if we have some oath or pledge, I would rather it be the Constitution than the state.


27 posted on 08/14/2008 11:07:10 AM PDT by djsherin
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To: Devilinbaggypants
Direct link to poll
28 posted on 08/14/2008 11:07:55 AM PDT by BubbaBasher (No matter who wins, we lose.)
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To: camerakid400

How, unless you believe in some “evolving” Constitution,

can “In God We Trust” be deemed a Constitutional non-issue at ratification,

and without any textual changes regarding this issue,

now be even considered to be remotely unconstitutional?

Oh, forgot the effects of “libtardation”.


29 posted on 08/14/2008 11:08:46 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: MrB

In God We Trust is the official national motto of the United States and the U.S. state of Florida. The motto first appeared on a United States coin in 1864, but In God We Trust did not become the official U.S. national motto until after the passage of an Act of Congress in 1956.

I guess I’m not following what you’re saying MrB about an evolving Constitution.


30 posted on 08/14/2008 11:12:11 AM PDT by Pawtucket Patriot
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To: muawiyah

Seriously, in the Big Picture,

why would atheists care if we killed a human or two, or 600 million (deaths communists/atheists responsible for in 20th century)?

I mean, humans are only in existance for around 60-70 years max, right? That’s just an eyeblink in history.

Why would it even matter if we snuffed the atheists, then?
I mean, they’re just a bit more evolved than a chimpanzee, and not worth much more anyway...

Or, you could look at humans as
the crowning glory of God’s Creation,
made in His image, with eternal life,
for the purpose of His Glory.

But, to say one view is superior to the other would be “intolerant”, now, wouldn’t it?


31 posted on 08/14/2008 11:13:06 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: ericc4

Sure....if one chooses atheism so be it. There is no formal discrimination against it. In this predominantly Judeao-Christian culture a few radical atheists with agendas should not be able tear down the practices of the majority. Glad you are not one of them.


32 posted on 08/14/2008 11:13:26 AM PDT by tflabo (.)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

Exactly - the Secular Humanists have figured out how use the government to impose their religion on the rest of us.


33 posted on 08/14/2008 11:14:20 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Pawtucket Patriot

Leftists invented the concept of a “living Constitution” and “evolving standards” in order to get around the proscriptions on powers of the federal government.

I’m being highly sarcastic on this topic, because it disgusts me so.


34 posted on 08/14/2008 11:15:50 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: djsherin

In Great Britain MP’s and others are required to swear an oath to the Queen, and there has been a move afoot to make others (such as schoolchildren) do so as well.

I guess that’s why those folks are called “subjects”, while we’re called “citizens”.


35 posted on 08/14/2008 11:17:26 AM PDT by Sigurdrifta
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To: WayneS

Doesn’t Newdow have a freakin’ JOB to go to?


36 posted on 08/14/2008 11:18:25 AM PDT by Xenalyte (~ ~ FREE LAZAMATAZ! ~ ~)
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To: MrB

We all know Al Gore coined the phrase, but what does that have to do with the topic?

I’m simply saying, if we didn’t have “evolving standards,” the phrase, “In God We Trust” wouldn’t be on any coinage, or anything, yet you seem disgusted by that.

Along the same lines, women wouldn’t have the right to vote, does that disgust you too?


37 posted on 08/14/2008 11:21:26 AM PDT by Pawtucket Patriot
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To: muawiyah
I know this might seem a little out of line but since you atheists have no fear of “life after death” and the pain of punishment in Hell

Wow. So atheists and saved Christians have something really big in common: no fear after death and no Hell. Who knew? We agnostics are just wishy washy, hedging our bets.

38 posted on 08/14/2008 11:24:04 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Pawtucket Patriot

To my knowledge, Al Gore didn’t coin the phrase “living Constitution” - this has been used by judges long before algore was on the scene in order to bypass the onerous task of amending the Constitution.

I’m disgusted by judges (and libs) who have no regard for the written words of the Constitution or the methods by which it actually may legitimately be changed.
BTW, the 19th AMENDMENT conferred the right to vote on women. This is the proper way to change the Constitution.

At ratification, the “standards” were set, as well as a way to change those standards.

“In God We Trust” is not the result of an evolved standard, it is the result of a set standard. I’m not sure what you meant by that.


39 posted on 08/14/2008 11:29:59 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: dmz

Hedging our bets is right DMZ. LOL.
600,000+ religions in the world, every human society no matter how remote on earth has some form of religion, and I just can’t figure out which one is the best for me yet. hah!

Seriously, my other friend who’s Agnostic like myself says he tells people he’s Agnostic because he doesn’t know the bible well enough to be an Atheist. A good Atheist must know the bible very well in America. Anyone want to know why? It may have to do with some kind of pressure or social brow beating perhaps?


40 posted on 08/14/2008 11:30:55 AM PDT by Pawtucket Patriot
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To: Devilinbaggypants
Is Michael Newdow running out of money? This must be his latest personal fund raising effort for his godless donors.
41 posted on 08/14/2008 11:31:04 AM PDT by jonrick46
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To: MrB
Exactly - the Secular Humanists have figured out how use the government to impose their religion on the rest of us.

Really? When did the storm troopers come and close your church, Mr. B? Are you jailed for your beliefs?

This canard that you have had anyone's religion shoved down your throat is just that, a canard.

42 posted on 08/14/2008 11:32:25 AM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz

Are you going to show your ignorance by denying the Secular Humanist indoctrination in public schools?

Case in point - man in Lexington KY dared to question the homosexual agenda indoctrination in his kindergartner’s classroom,

and WAS jailed as a result.

And, what would happen if someone dared mention God in schools these days? Fired. Lawsuit. etc.

Secular Humanism IS being shoved down everyone’s throat, and it has gov’t guns to back it up.


43 posted on 08/14/2008 11:37:43 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: dmz

And living in terror all the while Fur Shur.


44 posted on 08/14/2008 11:51:38 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

And living in terror all the while Fur Shur.
_______

No terror here for this agnostic. I’ve got my speech already prepared for Peter should I have the chance to speak to him.

I’m in good stead vis a vis the 10 commandments (at least those that were not included at the behest of the religious authorities), so what? me worry? Not a chance.


45 posted on 08/14/2008 11:57:52 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Devilinbaggypants

This nameless nutjob obviously has a lot of free time on his hands...


46 posted on 08/14/2008 12:09:52 PM PDT by Publius6961 (You're Government, it's not your money, and you never have to show a profit.)
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To: ericc4
Good point.I've never bashed an atheist, nor any religion other than mine.

It is the nutjobs of all religions and anti-religions that I can't stand.
Their insanity is simply unacceptable when it becomes mindless intrusive activism, serving no purpose other than their own ego.

47 posted on 08/14/2008 12:12:58 PM PDT by Publius6961 (You're Government, it's not your money, and you never have to show a profit.)
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To: MrB

so did we ever get a basis for the morality of an athiest? i have always wondered that too


48 posted on 08/14/2008 2:00:51 PM PDT by sloop (pfc in the quiet civil war)
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To: sloop

I guess it’s whatever their “reason” and “intellect” tell them is right in any particular situation, ie, situational ethics.

After all, there is no objective standard since there is no objective source.


49 posted on 08/14/2008 2:04:04 PM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: MrB
sowell calls the collective knowledge of people the ‘wisdom of the ages’ - i’d like to see a comparison of the success and achievements of countries centered around different religions and atheism - seems we have done well historically - maybe we should stick with it
50 posted on 08/14/2008 2:14:03 PM PDT by sloop (pfc in the quiet civil war)
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