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Linda Chavez: Obama’s Catholic problem
Yahoo! News ^ | August 13, 2008 | Linda Chavez

Posted on 08/14/2008 10:57:39 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Barack Obama has a Catholic problem. If he doesn’t do better than John Kerry did in 2004 with this quintessential swing voting bloc, he won’t be elected president. Obama’s campaign understands this — which is why they’re considering allowing a pro-life Democrat, Sen. Bob Casey of Pennsylvania, to speak at the Denver convention. Sen. Casey’s father, the late Governor of Pennsylvania Robert Casey Sr., was denied a speaking slot at the Democrats’ 1992 convention for fear of offending pro-choice Democrats. But simply allowing his son to speak at the convention won’t be enough to woo Catholics back.

Catholics are by no means a single-issue voting group. But for observant Catholics, those who attend Mass regularly and follow the Church’s teachings, a candidate’s position on abortion matters. Even among more broadly identified Catholics — those who call themselves Catholic, regardless of whether they are observant — 59 percent oppose abortion, according to a recent Time magazine poll. And Barack Obama’s record on this issue will cause pause for many of them.

Like most Democratic politicians, Barack Obama favors abortion rights for women, with few exceptions. He has recently said that he might support some limits on very late-term abortions, those that occur in the last trimester of pregnancy. But when it comes to actual legislative limits, he’s never found one yet he can vote for.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; abortion; catholicvote; election; electionpresident; elections; issues; mccain; obama; prolife
How could anyone vote for such a monster?
1 posted on 08/14/2008 10:57:40 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Casey ran as a pro-lifer. But he lied. Unlike his father, he voted pro-death with the party, once he got in.

The right-to-life organizations would show him up in a New York minute.


2 posted on 08/14/2008 11:01:02 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The polls I have seen recently suggest Obama is running worse amongst Catholics than Kerry did. If that holds, it spells disaster for him in Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania.


3 posted on 08/14/2008 11:12:21 AM PDT by comebacknewt
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Considering how many Catholics vote for DemocRATS, it's pretty obvious their church's tenets have little meaning to them.
4 posted on 08/14/2008 11:23:19 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: comebacknewt

I want to believe that. But how come that’s not showing up in the polls?


5 posted on 08/14/2008 11:29:56 AM PDT by twigs
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“which is why they’re considering allowing a pro-life Democrat, Sen. Bob Casey of Pennsylvania,”

THIS IS BOGUS! Casey is a complete and utter sellout. He endorsed pro-abortion Obama in April. Casey is all about gutting the prolife movement by throwing a few bones that ‘divide and conquer’ and end up giving victories to pro-aborts - like Obama. He is getting a speaking slot because Casey is a useful idiot for the left and Obama wants to win PA.

http://www.sbcbaptistpress.org/BPFirstPerson.asp?ID=27873

The National Right to Life Committee has given Obama a rating of 0 percent — the lowest pro-life rating possible. Although Casey only garners a 57 percent rating, Obama’s pro-abortion views could not be more opposed to Casey’s stated pro-life positions. Casey has said he favors the overturn of Roe v. Wade; opposes tax-funded abortions; and rejects stem cell research that harms a human embryo. Yet, Casey said Obama offers “to chart a new course” for America.

NOTE THAT REPLACING SANTORUM WITH CASEY WAS A VICTORY FOR NARAL, NOW, AND OTHER LEFTWING SPECIAL INTERESTS:

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/gaynor/060208
As I wrote in Rick Santorum (NOW’s Top Target): “[T]he only reason that Mr. Casey will get the Democrats’ nomination to challenge Senator Santorum is because pragmatic pro-abortion Democrats know he’s their best shot at beating Senator Santorum and far less of a problem to the secular extremism/pro-abortion on demand/far leftists than Mr. Casey ever will (or would) be.”

Because: “[I]f the Democrats take control of the Senate, expect the stream of strict constructionist judges (and even United States Supreme Court Justices) to be dammed up in a Senate Judiciary Committee controlled by the likes of Senators Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts and Patrick Leahy of Vermont.”


6 posted on 08/14/2008 12:29:20 PM PDT by WOSG (http://no-bama.blogspot.com/ - NObama, stop the Hype and Chains candidate)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If McCain shoots himself in the foot by allowing a pro-abortion VP candidate on the ticket, many Catholics and pro-lifers will simply stay home and Obama will win.


7 posted on 08/14/2008 12:33:26 PM PDT by hershey
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To: hershey

Yours is a chilling, depressing, but accurate comment.


8 posted on 08/14/2008 12:50:10 PM PDT by jobim
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ping to read & respond later


9 posted on 08/14/2008 1:48:25 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Look at this blog and video. Shocking and chilling Obama’s lack of concern for aborted infants born alive who are discarded in a dirty linen closet until they die.

http://www.dakotavoice.com/2008/08/barack-obama-supports-murder-of-newborn.html


10 posted on 08/14/2008 2:07:40 PM PDT by CedarDave (What do Obama and Osama have in common? Both have friends who bombed the Pentagon.)
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To: comebacknewt; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Coleus; Salvation
The polls I have seen recently suggest Obama is running worse amongst Catholics than Kerry did. If that holds, it spells disaster for him in Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

Ohio especially, as the Dem heartland of the buckeye state is in the heavily Catholic northern part of the state (westside of Cleveland and its suburbs, Steubanville, Youngstown, Lorain, etc.). I expect McCain to clean house in Cincy and its suburbs and in the SE part of the state (Appalachia). The blacks in east Cleveland, Dayton, inner Columbus, and north Cincinatti will not be enough to take the state. He needs a solid turnout from blue collar and elderly Catholics in the northern part of the state, along with independents in the Columbus area (although I predict only a slight win in the city, with a loss in the suburban towns). Advantage: McCain.

We lost PA from 92-04 only due to the collapse of the GOP vote in the mainline suburbs (Montgomery and Delaware Counties) to say nothing of Bucks and a subpar performance in Chester Counties. Although the black population has increased in both Montgomery and Delaware Counties over the past 15 years, McCain can bring these back in the GOP column provided the "ladies who lunch" don't stay home (I DON'T see them voting for Obama due to the rather coarse racial politics of the Philadelphia area).

Michigan is in many ways a replay of Pennsylvania, with a huge black population in the largest city of the state, but with suburbs largely the product of white flight and affected by racial tension. See Oakland County as Montgomery County and Macomb County as Delaware County and you'll see my point. I see McCain bring Macomb into the GOP column for the first time since 88, with Oakland going narrowly for McCain due to the large black populations in Southfield and Pontiac.

11 posted on 08/14/2008 2:11:39 PM PDT by Clemenza (No Comment)
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To: Clemenza; fieldmarshaldj; Kuksool; Clintonfatigued; JohnnyZ; Dan from Michigan; Coop; Impy; ...

Clemenza, I agree with your predictions.

In Michigan, Obama will win huge margins in Detroit and its heavily black suburbs, as well as in college towns such as Ann Arbor, Ypsilanti and East Lansing, but will run poorly in traditionally Democrat blue-collar white areas such as the “Downriver” towns south of Detroit (including losing big in Monroe County) and in the formerly blue-collar, now middle-class Macomb County suburbs; John McCain should also win huge margins in the Thumb and run about even in the Flint-Saginaw-Bay City corridor. The white rural areas in the northern half of the Mitten, where Gore and Kerry ran surprisingly strongly, will not vote for Obama, nor will the UP. If things go as they appear to be going, I think McCain will turn President Bush’s 48% near-miss into a 52% victory.

Ohio should be an even bigger win for McCain. Obama may not do as poorly in SE and East OH as he did in the RAT primary, but he certainly won’t win the types of margins that he would need in order to have a chance statewide. Right now, I’d say that McCain will win it 54%-45%.

In Pennsylvania, Obama will win hellacious margins in Philly (although maybe not so much in the NE part of the city nor the white ethnic parts of South Philly) and in black parts of Delco, but McCain will carry Bucks and maybe even Montco (Jewish voters will not turn out for Obama, and McCain has affirmative strength among liberal Republicans) and should win big in the Chester-Berks area and the Lehigh Valley (as well as, it goes without saying, the Lancaster area). The Coal Country around Scranton/Wilkes-Barre won’t give Obama the margins he needs, and the “T” should vote as heavily Republican as ever. In Western PA (the Pittsburgh, Beaver and Erie areas), I think that the movement towards President Bush that we saw in 2000 and 2004 would have continued even had Hillary been the Democrat nominee, but with Obama as the candidate it should give McCain a comfortable margin of victory. Overall, I think that Senator McCain will carry PA by a 53%-46% margin unless something changes between now and November.

If John McCain carries OH, PA and MI, Obama would be able to get to 270 EVs only if he (i) holds all of the remaining Kerry states (including NH, WI, MN, NJ and OR), which would be very difficult for him, and (ii) carries each of FL, NV, NM, IA, CO and either VA or MO, which is not going to happen. I think John McCain will defeat Obama with over 300 electoral votes unless he picks a liberal runningmate and screws up royally the rest of the way.


12 posted on 08/14/2008 6:26:06 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Fred Thompson appears human-sized because he is actually standing a million miles away.)
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To: AuH2ORepublican
Great thesis there on PA...and may I add that Rendell 'delivered' PA for Hillary. She did fantastic in SW PA. I don't see the committment of resources here and now that I saw for Hillary. Has Obama even been to the Burgh since the primary season? I think BHO's thin skin (Rendell didn't endorse me! boo hoo!) bodes well for The Chosen One. No pol can do well in PA if he/she disses Fast Eddie. I think McCain will do surprisingly well in SW PA (the Pgh region, but not the city itself).

Now...if Hillary pulls out the nomination, PA will go for Clinton. Period.

13 posted on 08/14/2008 6:35:13 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (I am still bitter.)
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To: AuH2ORepublican; PennsylvaniaMom

John McCain tried to score points with Pennsylvanians by touring with Tom Ridge and implying that Ridge is a serious contender to be McCain’s running mate. I’m not expecting that McCain will actually choose him, but he is trying to score points with both Pennsylvania voters and the press. Not a good idea, IMHO.


14 posted on 08/14/2008 6:57:11 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If Islam conquers the world, the Earth will be at peace because the human race will be killed off.)
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To: Pyro7480; Salvation; Coleus; narses

Catholics on FR may have some observations on this.


15 posted on 08/14/2008 6:57:53 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If Islam conquers the world, the Earth will be at peace because the human race will be killed off.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

John and Cindy had dinner and stayed overnite at the home of Tom and Michelle Ridge earlier this week. They toured the Erie area the next day...I think I commented (on another thread) that I hoped John was asking Tom about northern PA wines, and how about dem Stillerz? I, as well, think Ridge would be a bad choice for VP.


16 posted on 08/14/2008 7:02:48 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (I am still bitter.)
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To: PennsylvaniaMom

I fear Hillary doing that - she WOULD win PA, but I think with Obama, it’s McCain by a hair.


17 posted on 08/14/2008 7:52:19 PM PDT by RockinRight (I just paid $63 for gas. An icefield in Alaska is NOT the Grand Canyon. F--- the caribou.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The late Cardinal Bernandin of Chicago said Catholics should not be single issue voters. Abortion is just one of many issues Catholics should consider. Catholics must uphold a constant seamless garment of pro-life issues - global warming, poverty, civil rights, anti-death penalty, and abortion.

The seamless garment arguement is used by Catholics to justify voting for liberal Dems. Lately, I seen young Evangelicals use the seamless garment arguement to justify supporting Obama.

If Catholics voted like Mormons, the Upper Midwest and New England would solid Red States.


18 posted on 08/14/2008 8:03:51 PM PDT by yongin
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Obama's Catholic Problem ( Linda Chavez )

19 posted on 08/14/2008 8:52:21 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Clintonfatigued
I am astounded at all the negative threads about Obama on this subject. More than Kerry ever had.

Linda Chavez: Obama’s Catholic problem
Catholic Voters and 2008
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Obama Lied About Abortion Record
What Barack Obama defended three times: Live Birth Abortion
[OPEN] Supreme K of C Calls for Real "Change" on Abortion and Catholic Revolt against Obama Nation
Obama's Catholic Problem ( Linda Chavez )
Obama’s View on Abortion May Divide Catholics ( "May Divide?" )

Obama loses 26 points among Catholics
Barack Obama's Wife Michelle to Join Hillary Clinton at Pro-Abortion Dinner
OPINION: Senator Obama and the Wall of the Womb
Barack Obama's Pledge to Overturn Every Pro-Life Abortion Law One Year Old
Obama Worse than Clintons on Abortion Says National Right to Life Leader Interview-SCOTUS Critical

Roman Catholics for Obama '08
OBAMA TO CATHOLICS: NO VOUCHERS
How can Catholics for Obama rationalize their support for the pro-choice candidate?
Obama’s director of Catholic Outreach ‘dodges’ opportunity to reach Catholics
Barack Obama Slams John McCain For Opposing Abortion, Activist Judges

Catholics and Obama
COMMENTARY: Quandry for Catholics At Election Time
The Latest Refinement (Obama on Abortion)
CNN Runs Biased News Story Covering Up Barack Obama’s Pro-Abortion Record
Jill Stanek: Obama's biggest lie about supporting infanticide
The Battle for Catholic Voters

New Report Indicates Voters Most Interested in Barack Obama’s Position on Abortion
Deal Hudson: Obama and Infanticide?
Ad asks Obama: ‘If fatherhood begins at conception, when does life begin?’
Embryonic stem-cell research immoral, unnecessary, bishops say
Catholics should not vote for Obama
Catholic Caucus: It is a sin to vote/support Obama/DNC [abortion]

More Catholics leaning towards Democrats, poll reports (really not Catholics)
The Catholic-Obama Problem (Pope Benedict XVI instructs Catholics about pro-abortion candidates)
Obama's Abortion Bombshell: Unrestricted Abortion....
NARAL Catholics Line Up for Obama
Editorial: Disagreeing with Doug Kmiec One More Time
State-Funded Embryo Research "Makes Taxpayers Complicit in Killing", say Bishops

McCain Meets Privately with Fr. Pavone - Says Constitutional Right to Life Applies to Unborn
Faithful Citizenship: “Catholic Vote” is very sought after
Has Obama dissolved his Catholic advisory council?
Commentary: Faithful Citizenship and the Formed Conscience
Catholic League: Where's Obama's 'Catholic Advisory Council'? [Not to be found!]
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Catholics Debate Obama Vote
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DOUG KMIEC: Catholic Reasons for Hope in the General Election
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The Catholic-Obama Problem (Pope Benedict XVI instructs Catholics about pro-abortion candidates)
Thoughts On ‘Roman Catholics For Obama’

How Obama's Catholics Will Dodge the Infanticide Question
Catholic Pro-Life Leader Feuds With Barack Obama's "Catholic" Backers
McCain and the Pope: McCain cannot win in November without the Catholic vote (Reagan re-visited?)
Catholics Cannot Vote for Pols Who Support Abortion, Except for Morally Grave Reasons: KY Bishops

20 posted on 08/14/2008 8:57:24 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: yongin

**The late Cardinal Bernandin of Chicago said Catholics should not be single issue voters.**

Not true. Catholics can be single issue voters. (But everything else stinks about Obama, too.


21 posted on 08/14/2008 8:58:39 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: yongin
Here are the reasons that Catholics will not vote for Obama.

enter the Table of Contents of the Catechism of the Catholic Church here

1: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2271  (618 bytes )  preview document matches
1 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion,
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2271.htm
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2: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2272  (580 bytes )  preview document matches
2 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2272.htm
96%**********

3: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2322  (290 bytes )  preview document matches
2 From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a "criminal" practice (GS 27 § 3),
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2322.htm
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4: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2274  (554 bytes )  preview document matches
gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2274.htm

22 posted on 08/14/2008 9:00:32 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; antonius

23 posted on 08/14/2008 9:01:21 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Democrat, Sen. Bob Casey of Pennsylvania, Shame on you.I cry with your Father.


24 posted on 08/14/2008 9:01:44 PM PDT by fatima
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To: Salvation

I searched, as I always do, and it didn’t come up.


25 posted on 08/14/2008 9:04:41 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Barack Obama: In Error and arrogant -- he's errogant!)
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To: PennsylvaniaMom
Now...if Hillary pulls out the nomination

Mom, I'm happy to inform you whoever led you to believe such a ridiculous scenario is possible is full of horse manure. HRC does not in fact have demonic powers.

26 posted on 08/15/2008 1:06:08 AM PDT by Impy (Spellcheck hates Obama, you should too.)
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To: AuH2ORepublican; Clemenza
I see McCain bring Macomb into the GOP column for the first time since 88

Bush won Macomb in 04 actually.

I hope you guys are right with the optimistic assessment. I vacillate between believing Bosama is certain to win and that he is certain to lose.

27 posted on 08/15/2008 1:20:13 AM PDT by Impy (Spellcheck hates Obama, you should too.)
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To: Impy; Clemenza

You’re right, President Bush carried Macomb with 50.24% in 2004; also, the first President Bush carried the county with 42.32% in 1992 (Perot got 19.46%). I’m hoping for John McCain to approach G.H.W. Bush’s 60.33% in Macomb from 1988 (although he certainly won’t come close to President Reagan’s 66.20% in 1984).

On a related note, President Bush carried Monroe County (south of Detroit’s Wayne County) with 50.54%, the first time a Republican had done so since 1988. I think that Monroe’s blue-collar, socially conservative whites will move even more strongly towards McCain (or, more to the point, away from Obama) and perhaps may even give the GOP presidential candidate his first 60% score in the county since Warren G. Harding in 1920 (!).


28 posted on 08/15/2008 7:01:11 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Fred Thompson appears human-sized because he is actually standing a million miles away.)
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