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The Obama Push Back: "Ayers and Dohrn Are Members Of The Establishment"
Townhall.com ^ | 8/14/08 | Hugh Hewitt

Posted on 08/14/2008 6:50:32 PM PDT by pissant

I am reading through the Obama push-back on the Corsi book to get ready for an appearance on Hannity and Colmes tonight, and the shoddy work product put out by Obama could well throw fuel on the fire. Corsi's certainly got errors in his book, but Obama's team is trying too hard when they assert about unrepentant terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn in response to Corsi that "AYERS AND DOHRN ARE MEMBERS OF THE ESTABLISHMENT WITH TIES TO THE MAYOR" (p. 16 of the Obama document) or that with regard to Alice Palmer --the Illinois State Senator that Obama's team had removed from the ballot in his first race for state office, that "PALMER PULLED HER OWN PLUG." (p. 18.)

On page 9, Obama's defense brief asserts: OBAMA HAS MADE CLEAR REPEATEDLY THAT HE STOPPED USING MARIJUANA IN COLLEGE, WHICH PEERS HAVE AFFIRMED." But the Corsi assertion being responded to here also pointed out that Obama has yet to answer questions of whether he ever dealt drugs, and the single assertion about quitting that Obama's team cites is from an interview in '03, which is hardly "repeatedly."

I am just getting started, but Obama seems to have made a huge mistake in attempting to spin many of these charges. Most of them are matters of opinion --such as the interpretation of Michelle Obama's "not been proud of America" comment or whether Hamas endorsed Obama. By throwing this much fuel on the fire, the fire gets bigger and all of these stories/charges./assertions get more attention. Corsi is the happiest man in the world tonight because Obama's team not only gave him a few million dollars of publicity, they also failed to discredit him completely.

But the key error is that now Obama will have to do the same thing forDavid Freddoso's extremely well-researched and documented book. Looking forward to that "push-back" as well.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: 2008; bookreview; corsi; hewitt; larrysinclairslover; obama; obamamnation; radicalleft
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Gotta see if I can find the Obamunist's 40 page response so I can post it here.
1 posted on 08/14/2008 6:50:33 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

I don’t doubt for a second that Ayers and Dohrn are part of the establishment. That doesn’t mean that they’re all right. It does, however, say a lot about the rotten establishment that produces a candidate like Obama.


2 posted on 08/14/2008 6:52:10 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood (If we are the ones we've been waiting for, why do we need Obama?)
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To: pissant

I watched you Hugh, and the other “guests” and I could not believe how the pro-Obama lib (can’t remember his name) was literally LYING ABOUT OBAMA. Blatantly. And Hannity was calling him on it. They just have no shame, no morals, no ethics and no substance. They are just simply criminals and thugs who want to dismantle Constitutional America and gain power over it.

Beyond disgusting.


3 posted on 08/14/2008 6:55:20 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: pissant

that’s funny,

and the truth perhaps.

no doubt many college leftists moved up into the establishment.

the “bourgeoise” as college girlfriend of mine never ceased to remark.

i hate that word.


4 posted on 08/14/2008 6:56:20 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: T. Buzzard Trueblood
Here we go again, Obama thinks he is already President... Until he actually is, terrorists and radicals are not "part of the establishment".
5 posted on 08/14/2008 6:56:44 PM PDT by alecqss
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To: pissant
40 page response by Obama in pdf is here.
6 posted on 08/14/2008 6:57:38 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: pissant
Part of whose establishment Hussein?



Remember Pooti, when we were on the ranch together and I told you how I loved shootin' those damn Turkeys? Well, you better think on it.

CHOOSING THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES




NOBAMA MOVEMENT SPREADS ACROSS THE NATION

7 posted on 08/14/2008 6:58:47 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: hole_n_one
From Obama's Fight the Smears site.
8 posted on 08/14/2008 6:59:11 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: pissant

Obama's "member of the establishment" friend Bill Ayers


9 posted on 08/14/2008 6:59:24 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY ((((Stop the Obamanation!))))
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To: EagleUSA

I think you have nailed it, the establishment they are members of is an elite club of criminals and thugs. Lenin, Stalin, Beria, Putin, Obama, Ayers, Dohrn.


10 posted on 08/14/2008 6:59:45 PM PDT by Cincinnatus.45-70 (Patriotism to DemocRats is like sunlight to Dracula.)
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To: alecqss
terrorists and radicals are not "part of the establishment"

In Academia, and in the company of the Champagne Socialist elite, they are. Tragic.

11 posted on 08/14/2008 6:59:53 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood (If we are the ones we've been waiting for, why do we need Obama?)
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To: ken21

AYERS AND DOHRN ARE MEMBERS OF THE ESTABLISHMENT

Man, that’s not groovy.


12 posted on 08/14/2008 7:00:39 PM PDT by Shermy (Currently suffering from Tagliner's Block.)
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To: Shermy
AYERS AND DOHRN ARE MEMBERS OF THE ESTABLISHMENT FROM HELL

but then again so are Barry, Bill, and Hill

13 posted on 08/14/2008 7:03:04 PM PDT by Rodm (Seest thou a man diligent in his business? He shall stand before kings)
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To: pissant
Corsi is the happiest man in the world tonight because Obama's team not only gave him a few million dollars of publicity, they also failed to discredit him completely.

I've got to think this is true.

By taking this action, Obama has made sure all these issues get a lot more attention than they would have otherwise. I am sure he is going to try to spin it as a "nasty Republican smear", but now that he has officially engaged it, he is going to have to answer some potentially uncomfortable questions.

14 posted on 08/14/2008 7:06:00 PM PDT by comebacknewt
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To: hole_n_one

About the not dedicating the book to the family,

That’s a big mistake,

unless Corsi is reading the first edition

and Obama added it to recent editions.

Also, the obsession with Islam is intense, even challenging a local witness.


15 posted on 08/14/2008 7:06:37 PM PDT by Shermy (Currently suffering from Tagliner's Block.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I have to ask: Is this a real picture, or is it photoshopped?


16 posted on 08/14/2008 7:09:57 PM PDT by hampdenkid
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To: T. Buzzard Trueblood

Re: Ayers and Dohrn

Yes, and that’s a further condemnation of the cesspool that is Chicago Democrat politics — that those two unrepentant terrorist scumbags ARE embraced by the ‘Rat establishment in Chicago. THAT point won’t help Obambi once people see what it means about the political environment that he CHOSE, SOUGHT OUT, and EMBRACED for life.

Yes, Democrats ARE soft on terrorism and terrorists. Yes, DemocRATs do embrace scum like Ayers and Dohrn.


17 posted on 08/14/2008 7:10:06 PM PDT by Enchante (If oil was botox then Nancy Pelosi would have us drilling everywhere!!! (hat tip, STARWISE))
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To: expatguy

They’re claiming the school record religion entry was for his step-father, not St. Barack [pbuh]


18 posted on 08/14/2008 7:10:37 PM PDT by Shermy (Currently suffering from Tagliner's Block.)
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To: hampdenkid

Oh, it’s real alright — that photo of a older, unrepentant Ayers stepping on the American Flag was a publicity still for his 2001 book tour, IIRC, when he decided to release his fond memoir of political terrorism just in time for 9/11.


19 posted on 08/14/2008 7:12:25 PM PDT by Enchante (If oil was botox then Nancy Pelosi would have us drilling everywhere!!! (hat tip, STARWISE))
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To: Shermy

gore’s an example.


20 posted on 08/14/2008 7:13:01 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: Shermy
Lolo Soetoro Was A "Nominal Muslim" Who Enjoyed Bacon

Yes, they actually wrote that.

21 posted on 08/14/2008 7:13:33 PM PDT by Shermy (Lolo Soetoro Was A "Nominal Muslim" Who Enjoyed Bacon - stupid and insulting in one, typical Obama)
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To: ken21
"...the “bourgeoise” as college girlfriend of mine never ceased to remark."

The word might actually be "bourgeoisie"

22 posted on 08/14/2008 7:14:08 PM PDT by Redbob ("WWJBD" ="What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: Enchante

Thank you. I hope I get to meet that arrogant jerk one day so that I can b*tch-slap the sh*t out of him.


23 posted on 08/14/2008 7:15:09 PM PDT by hampdenkid
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To: hampdenkid

The photo is real.

First appeared in Chicago magazine, August 2001.

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/August-2001/No-Regrets/


24 posted on 08/14/2008 7:16:53 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I’d be overjoyed at the opportunity to duplicate that picture of Ayers, but with Ayers’ face replacing our Flag.


25 posted on 08/14/2008 7:17:41 PM PDT by Redbob ("WWJBD" ="What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: pissant
"AYERS AND DOHRN ARE MEMBERS OF THE ESTABLISHMENT WITH TIES TO THE MAYOR"

Says a lot about the Democrat party, doesn't it?

Former terrorists and accessories to murder are members of the party's "establishment".

26 posted on 08/14/2008 7:18:53 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: pissant

Fredosso’s book is even better.


27 posted on 08/14/2008 7:18:54 PM PDT by cookcounty (Re Wm Ayers: It's OK to be friends with a failed Ladykiller cuz Da Mayr knows um.)
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To: LibFreeOrDie
Bill Ayers is personally responsible for setting a fire in a building where I had a final term paper that got destroyed. It was A+ quality work, but the university, absent the paper, would authorize only a B.

He owes me.

28 posted on 08/14/2008 7:20:41 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ken21

P. 14

LIE: “No one in Obama’s paternal or maternal family had ever resided in Chicago.”

REALITY: OBAMA’S GREAT UNCLE RESIDED IN CHICAGO

__________________________________________

These guys are nuts if they think that’s significant. Makes them look like loons.


29 posted on 08/14/2008 7:21:12 PM PDT by Shermy (Lolo Soetoro Was A "Nominal Muslim" Who Enjoyed Bacon - stupid and insulting in one, typical Obama)
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To: Shermy

FRee Republic gets a mention when they cite comments made by Corsi on FR.


30 posted on 08/14/2008 7:21:43 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: hampdenkid

The picture is real. The vermin Ayers gladly posed for it.

It’s from an article in Chicago Magazine - August 2001 titled:

No Regrets

At the time this photograph was taken, Obama and Ayers were serving together on the board of the Woods Fund. It was in 2001 when Ayers donated $200 to Obama’s State Senate campaign fund.

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/August-2001/No-Regrets/


31 posted on 08/14/2008 7:22:02 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY ((((Stop the Obamanation!))))
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To: hampdenkid

It’s real.... as real as a heart attack...
There was a whole series of the POS defiling the flag in an alley for some promotion.....

Big mistake and very embarrassing for Obama.


32 posted on 08/14/2008 7:22:05 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: pissant

So their strategy is to portray Jerome Corsi as a wild-eyed, unreliable, fringe author.

Here’s the problem IMO. Corsi doesn’t come across as a wild-eyed, unreliable, fringe author.


33 posted on 08/14/2008 7:23:15 PM PDT by freespirited (Honk if you miss Licorice.)
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>>>>>Corsi is the happiest man in the world tonight because Obama's team not only gave him a few million dollars of publicity, they also failed to discredit him completely.

Corsi is laughing all the way to the bank.

34 posted on 08/14/2008 7:23:52 PM PDT by Reagan Man ( McCain Wants My Vote --- this conservative is ambivalent to the odious Johnny Mac)
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To: pissant
Most of them are matters of opinion --such as the interpretation of Michelle Obama's "not been proud of America" comment

What? You mean Michelle said she wasn't proud of America? I never heard that before! Thanks for making sure I knew, Mr. Obama!

35 posted on 08/14/2008 7:24:21 PM PDT by LikeLight (http://www.believersguidetolegalissues.com)
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To: pissant
Gotta see if I can find the Obamunist's 40 page response so I can post it here.

Liars are notorious for their wordy, overly-detailed defense.

36 posted on 08/14/2008 7:26:52 PM PDT by taraytarah (I'm keeping my tires at 35 PSI and I'm hardly using any gasoline ! Thanks, Barry !!)
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To: Shermy

The other “lie” that is brought up is about who found the house first. Corsi implies it was Redzko and the Obama camp says it was Michele. I kid you not. They have an issue with that. Who found the house first. The rebuttal from the Obama camp doesn’t talk about the two editions of Obama’s autobiography. They make no mention of that.

Most of their points of contention are with Corsi’s lines that start as “Critics say....” and then goes on to make a point. The arguments are really toward the source. They don’t dispute the sources. It’s like they are upset a different slant is on the information than what they want. Most of the so-called “lies” are not really lies but differences in interpretation or opinion. I hope this gets brought out every day. It should be answered and not linger. Everyone should pick out a “lie” and do some research on it. It won’t be too difficult. It’s just hard for one person to do all the rebutting. We should not let this go unanswered.


37 posted on 08/14/2008 7:28:38 PM PDT by austinaero
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To: pissant

MSU SDS Reunion: Bernardine Dohrn speaks:

November 30, 2007

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2yYXVmrj5A


38 posted on 08/14/2008 7:29:17 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY ((((Stop the Obamanation!))))
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To: hole_n_one

Thank you. Just read it. They are nitpicking about small things that Corsi goofed on. LOL. He must have struck paydirt. Now I’ll have to buy his book.


39 posted on 08/14/2008 7:29:45 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Shermy
The document from the school was just released by Texasdarling - I think it is quite clear that they are referring to Barry Soetero.

In any event, the Obama camp does not have a clue at what else we have - neither does Hillary's undead legions. But I can assure you this. Obama will never see the White House.

For now I will just "fight the temptation"

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

40 posted on 08/14/2008 7:29:50 PM PDT by expatguy ("An American Expat in Southeast Asia" - New & Improved - Now with Search)
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To: pissant

“Corsi’s certainly got errors in his book, but Obama’s team is trying too hard when they assert about unrepentant terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn in response to Corsi that “AYERS AND DOHRN ARE MEMBERS OF THE ESTABLISHMENT WITH TIES TO THE MAYOR”

Why would Hugh assert that “Corsi’s certainly got errors in his book” and provide no examples at all of those supposed errors?

But I expect it to do some damage.

It’ll take days and weeks to sort out what Obama can or cannot refute, and the presence of any errors in the book.


41 posted on 08/14/2008 7:30:23 PM PDT by Will88 (.)
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To: freespirited

So their strategy is to portray Jerome Corsi as a wild-eyed, unreliable, fringe author.

Here’s the problem IMO. Corsi doesn’t come across as a wild-eyed, unreliable, fringe author.

Well, apparently Dr. Corsi has said some outlandish things, for which he has apologized and for which, to my knowledge, caused no harm to anyone in particular. So, he should be scrutinized. I think that is fair. I think he is okay with it as well. The more scrutiny, the more buzz, the better the book sells. So, we can help it along be participating!


42 posted on 08/14/2008 7:30:33 PM PDT by austinaero
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To: pissant

Here it is, the REBUTTAL

http://obama.3cdn.net/a74586f9067028c40a_5km6vrqwa.pdf

It’s a PDF connected to the Obama site. If posting that link doesn’t work, go to http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/corsi
and click on the pdf version.


43 posted on 08/14/2008 7:32:41 PM PDT by austinaero
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To: pissant
MEMBERS OF THE ESTABLISHMENT


44 posted on 08/14/2008 7:32:54 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: pissant

I have just skimmed the first 30 pages of the tirade.

They accuse Corsi of lying because he implies that the Obamas married and bought a condo circa 1995 when the correct dates were a few years earlier. This is hair-splitting about the meaning of the words “had just bought.”

What’s absolutely hysterical is that these same people call Bob Beckel “A REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST.”

Someone had better get these hotheads a fact checker. Pronto.


45 posted on 08/14/2008 7:35:46 PM PDT by freespirited (Honk if you miss Licorice.)
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To: austinaero

I read it. Sounds like Media Matters wrote it for him. ROFL


46 posted on 08/14/2008 7:36:21 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant
The second sentence in Obama's pushback, punctuated exactly as it appears:

Make no mistake: “The Obama Nation: is nothing but rehashed lies.

Is this even English?

47 posted on 08/14/2008 7:36:47 PM PDT by LikeLight (http://www.believersguidetolegalissues.com)
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To: LikeLight

David Brock was n a hurry, cut him some slack.


48 posted on 08/14/2008 7:40:09 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant
Utterly Unrepentant:

The following is from left-leaning Wikipedia under Annenberg

" ....... William Ayers who hired Mike Klonsky, a Chicago cab driver who had earned a Ph.D. in education from the University of South Florida, and former activist with Ayers in Students for a Democratic Society, or SDS. Klonsky had achieved limited notoriety in 1977 when he traveled to Beijing to seek the endorsement of Communist China for a political party he had helped establish in the United States, the Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist)."

This is a guy hired by the William Ayers who was Director while Obama chaired the board for 5 years but they supposedly never exchanged ideas.

One nut deserves another.

49 posted on 08/14/2008 7:41:15 PM PDT by cookcounty (Re Wm Ayers: tsOK to be friends widda failed Ladykiller cuz Da Mayr knowz um.)
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To: pissant; jrlc
Wikipedia says:
In Human Events, Corsi claimed that "President Bush is pursuing a globalist agenda to create a North American Union" a theoretical continental union of Canada, Mexico and the United States, that will supplant the United States.[35] He has made similiar claims about a North American Union in a variety of other places, such as with The Conservative Caucus.[36] Another writer for Human Events responded: "Yesterday, Jerome Corsi was prattling on about the North American Union again after Michael Medved deservedly spanked him for spreading conspiracy theories. While I don't think Corsi is any more worthy of being taken seriously than those who think Jews rule the world or the "Truthers" who think President Bush is responsible for 9/11, I thought I would respond to him one last time."[37]

The New York Times reported "A YouTube video making the rounds, especially among Obama supporters, mocks Mr. Corsi for a Jan. 29 interview on Alex Jones radio show."[38] Accordind to the paper "The clip has Mr. Corsi discussing the findings of Steven Jones, physicist and hero of the “9/11 Truth” movement who claims to have evidence that the World Trade Center towers collapsed due to explosives inside the building, not just the planes hitting them, during the attacks."[39] Obama's campaign has criticized Corsi for these claims.[40]

50 posted on 08/14/2008 7:46:52 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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